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Report from Saumur (was Requests from Saumur)
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:43 pm
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Dennis has recently posted some great pictures from Saumur - but Pierre-Olivier & I will be visiting the museum on Saturday followed by the vehicle demonstrations at the carrousel. I'm sure lots of pictures will be taken, perhaps even some video. But please let me know if there are any specific requests... Below is the most recent inventory list, please ignore the footnote numbers...

Neil

ML-90 FRA ind
AMR-33 FRA ind Missing all its internal fittings 1
AMX-10P FRA ind Prototype
AMX-10RC FRA ind
AMX-13T SS-11 FRA ind “Sebastopol;� RN 114-0208 2
AMX-30B2 FRA ind RN 624-0315
AMX-30 Démineur FRA ind Remote-controlled with minerollers 3
AMX-30 Pluton FRA ind “Verdun�
AMX-40 FRA ind One of four prototypes built
AMX-50B FRA ind Only surviving AMX-50 prototype?
ARL-44 FRA ind RN 169-087; 1 of 2 survivors 4
Bergepanther DEU ind
Bison CAN ind
BMP-1 SOV ind
BOV-3 Spaag YUG ind
BRDM-2 9P133 SOV ind Presumably captured in Iraq
BTR-70 SOV ind
BTR-152 SOV ind
Cascavel BRA ind
Centaur Mk IV GBR ind Close-spt model with 95mm howitzer
Centurion Mk 5 GBR ind RN 52-81086 5
Char B1 bis FRA ind “Rhône�; has battle damage 6
Chieftain GBR ind VRN 01EB59
Churchill Mk VI GBR ind 7
Comet Mk 1B GBR ind
Conqueror Mk I GBR ind
Crusader III AA GBR ind Believed only surviving example 8
CVR(T) Scorpion GBR ind RN 03FD23
EBR-90 FRA ind
ELC bis FRA ind RN ?410-113
ELC Even 30mm version FRA std Painted RN 2810243 9
FCM 36 FRA ind Last surviving example
Ferret Mk 2 GBR ind
FlakPz IV Möbelwagen DEU ind
Fouga VP-90 FRA ind
FT-17 FRA ind With machine gun 10
FT-17 FRA ind With machine gun 11
G13 Hetzer DEU/CSK/CHE ind
GW 39H(f) 10.5cm leFH18(Sf) DEU ind
GW Lorraine(f) Marder I FRA/DEU ind
GW PzKpfw II Wespe DEU ind
Hornet Malkara GBR ind
Hotchkiss H-39 FRA ind “D’Artagnan�; RN 40743 12
Humber Mk 1 GBR ind
JgPz IV L/48 DEU ind
JgPz IV L/70 late DEU ind Made by Alkett 13
JgPz Kanone DEU ind
KV-1 SOV ind
Leclerc FRA ind “Duroc�; wooden turret; RN 69540084
Leopard 1A1 DEU ind
Leopard 1A2 DEU ind
Leopard 2 prototype DEU ind RN Y-647083
LVT4 USA/FRA ind
Lynx CAN ind
M2 Half-Track USA ind RN 443620
M3A1 Scout Car USA ind
M3 Half-Track USA ind Transformed to look like an SdKfz 251
M4(75) Sherman USA ind Early Sherman; RN 3014311
M5A1 Stuart USA ind “Victory�; RN 3047999 14
M8 Greyhound USA ind “Danny�; RN 6071975
M8 HMC USA/FRA ind 15
M10 Wolverine USA ind Missing most of its internal fittings 16
M24 Chaffee USA/FRA ind “Metz�; RN IC93 011
M24 Chaffee USA ind Cut open
M24 Chaffee USA ind Modified to look like a Panther
M26A1 Pershing USA ind
M29C Weasel “Crabe� USA/FRA ind RN IC833 467
M31B1 tank recovery vehicle USA ind Modified to appear as an M3 Lee 17
M41 Walker Bulldog USA ind “Milou�
M47 Patton USA ind “Dannemarie�; RN 288-0304 18
M48A2C Patton USA ind Runner
M60A3 USA ind Painted RN 9B3106
M114 USA ind RN 12Z709
M.15/42 ITA ind
Marmon Herrington GBR ind “Free French�; RN 50312
Matilda II GBR ind “Defiance�; WD number T7418
Merkava I ISR ind RN 8 20024
MT-LB SOV ind
OT-64 CSK ind
Panhard AMD 178 FRA ind
Panhard VBL FRA ind
Panhard VBL FRA ind
Pz 61 CHE ind RN 77532
PT-76 SOV ind
PzH 18/1 Hummel DEU ind
PzJg 38(t) Marder III Ausf M DEU ind
PzJg 38(t) Marder III Pak 36(r) DEU ind
PzJg V Jagdpanther DEU ind
PzKpfw II Ausf B DEU ind
PzKpfw II Ausf L Luchs DEU ind
PzKpfw III Ausf F DEU ind
PzKpfw IV Ausf J DEU ind SN 86432?
PzKpfw V Panther A DEU ind N° 256
PzKpfw VI Tiger DEU ind SN 251114 19
PzKpfw VI(H) King Tiger DEU ind Only running King Tiger in the world 20
Renault R-35 FRA ind SN 50533; runner 21
Renault R-35 FRA ind
Renault UE FRA ind
RM-70 CSK/SOV ind
Saint-Chamond FRA ind 22
Saracen GBR ind
Schneider CA1 FRA ind 23
Schneider CA1 mock-up FRA ind Wooden mock-up
Sd.Kfz. 4/1 Opel Maultier DEU ind
Sd.Kfz. 10 DEU ind
Sd.Kfz. 11 DEU ind
Sd.Kfz. 250/9 SPW DEU ind In a full-scale diorama
Sd.Kfz. 251/7 SPW DEU ind
Semovente da 75/18 su M.41 ITA ind
Sexton CAN ind
Somua MCG-5 Half-Track FRA ind P 95275
Somua S-35 FRA ind RN M50289; Runner 24
SPR-1 radar jammer vehicle SOV ind Electronic Counter Measures vehicle
Strv 103 S-Tank SWE ind “Consul General Nordling� 25
StuG III ausf G DEU ind
StuH 42 DEU ind
StuPz IV Brumbär DEU ind
SU-100 SOV ind
T17E1 Staghound Mk 1 GBR ind “Hengist�
T-34/76 Model 1941 SOV ind Fake barrel
T-34/85 SOV ind
T-34/85 SOV ind
T-54A SOV ind
T-62 SOV ind SN L04W13263? 26
T-72 SOV ind Cut open
T-72M SOV/DDR ind SN F01WT3662?
Type 69 II CHN/IRQ ind Captured in Iraq in 1991 27
Unic P107 Half-Track FRA ind RN 194328
Universal carrier GBR ind
VAB FRA ind
Valentine GBR ind
Vickers Mk VI Dingo GBR ind
YP 408 NED ind

Outside the Bossut Hall (can be seen by the public) 28
AMX-13 FRA out RN 627557
AMX-13 FRA std
AMX-13 FRA std
AMX-13 bridgelayer FRA out “Eble;� RN 2440386
AMX-13 DCA FRA out RN 2740104
AMX-13 M55 recovery vehicle FRA out “Vimy�
AMX-13 VCG FRA out
AMX-13 VCI FRA out
AMX-30 FRA out
AMX-30 FRA out
AMX-105 Mk 61 FRA std RN B500-23 29
AMX-30 Roland FRA out RN 654 0004
AMX-40 FRA out Missing tracks; 1 of 4 prototypes built
AMX-VTT Roland hull FRA out
Batignolles-Châtillon de 25t FRA out One of two prototypes built
BTR-50PU SOV out
EBR Panhard FRA out
Ferret GBR out
Leclerc FRA out
M4(105) Sherman Dozer USA out Has a dozer blade
M4A? hull USA out Missing right-hand track, no turret
M4A1(75) Sherman USA out
M4A1(76) Sherman DD FRA out Turret replaced after the war?
M4A1E8 Sherman Easy Eight USA/FRA out
M4A1E8 Sherman Easy Eight USA/FRA out “Uskub� 30
M4A3?(75) Sherman USA/FRA out “Montebello�; RN 420 229 31
M5A1 Stuart USA/FRA out “Cdt Detroyat� 32
M10 Achilles USA/GBR out May have RN 620-069 33
M24 Chaffee USA out Exp. testbed, new gun & sights 34
M31 ARV USA out
M32 tank recovery vehicle USA out Has an HVSS suspension
M32 tank recovery vehicle USA out Has an HVSS suspension
M47 Patton USA out RN 268 0020
M48A2 Patton pionier panzer USA/DEU out Has German smoke launchers
M48 AVLB USA out
M88A1 Recovery Vehicle USA out
PzKpfw V Panther G DEU out SN 120790?; Missing left-hand track 35
Renault R-35 FRA out Unrestored
Sav M/43 SWE out Unrestored
STRV M74 SWE out
T-54 or T-55 SOV out
Type 653A recovery tank CHN/IRQ out Missing tracks 36


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:48 pm
Post subject: Re: Any requests from Saumur?

Bring home one of everything Mr. Green

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:35 pm
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Well, I can never have too many of these:

StuG III ausf G DEU ind
StuH 42 DEU ind

Thanks!


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:42 pm
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Hi Neil,
Here's my somewhat realistic "want" list in order of importance:

1)Panhard AMD 178 FRA
2)M4(105) Sherman Dozer USA out Has a dozer blade
3)Renault R-35 FRA ind
4)Hotchkiss H-39 FRA ind “D’Artagnan�; RN 40743 12
5)Semovente da 75/18 su M.41 ITA


It goes without saying that whatever you and P.O. shoot will be most appreciated!!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:16 am
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Hi Neil! Hi Folks!

Any angles you have time for and can get of the M114 C&R.
Serial Number would be great if possible.

I guess I should start collecting any of those that show up.

Thank You!
Sgt, Scouts Out!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:42 am
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Neil,
Since you asked, Some few good pictures of the AMX-50B and also maybe one picture of the M60A3 and if at all possible the SN. I know to others there's a lot more rarer to see.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:36 pm
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Especially serials from the Soviet built tanks in storage. And what they have in the storage sheds / hangars.

Have a good trip!

Regards,
Lesley
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:53 pm
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- L.Delsing
Especially serials from the Soviet built tanks in storage. And what they have in the storage sheds / hangars.

Have a good trip!

Regards,
Lesley


We'll try to see if we'll be able to visit the storage facilities (not publicly visible, of course), but I'm sure we will not be able to..

And I have only two 512 MB memory cards so I'll not be able to take more than 1 GB of photos.. I'm sure that will not be enough....

P-O

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:33 pm
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I used 3 gig to take 3,700 photos
have a good time
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:44 pm
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Laffly trucks, UNIC P.107 and Renault ACG.1

BTW, few walkarounds from me:

Typ 82 Kubelwagen
www.primeportal.net/tr...ubelwagen/
BSA Folding Paratrooper Bicycle
www.primeportal.net/mi...er_bicycle
Hotchkiss W15T
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2cm Gebirgsflak 38
www.primeportal.net/ar...rgsflak_38

More softskins soon Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:41 am
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Marmon Herrington GBR ind “Free French�; RN 50312

Thanks in advance !

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:24 am
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Hi Neil:

I"d very much appreciate some photos of the M47, particularly showing any French modifications (such as a folding platform on the rear hull plate).

Cheers and thanks,

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:13 pm
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I would like to see more interior and chassis photos of Humber Scout Car... Although this vehicle is listed as Mk.I, it has roofless (canvas covered) crew compartment with something I suppose to be reinforced floor armour - typical feature of Mk.II.
It would be great to consult some specialist or somebody familiar with differences between Mk.I and II...
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:01 am
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I took over 300 detail photos of saumurs wheeled vehicles and have passed them all on to Warwheels they should be added to their site shortly,but if there is anything special maybe I could send you on any photos you need

dennis

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Just got back from a very full day with P-0 at Saumur & the Carrousel - here's a very brief report. We did a very thorough cataloguing of the Saumur museum, including some of the vehicles in storage around the museum. Found a bunch of SNs on the vehicles inside. As for those outside, lets just say P-O is more adventerous than I am Wink (or at least on foreign soil - I am probably just as adventerous at Aberdeen)

We also went to the carrousel, which I have to admit was somewhat dissapointing. I found the historic & modern vehicle demos to be rather phony - complete with American, British & Soviet tanks advancing with commanders all waving the appropriate flags - and amateurish... They were also very brief. At the VMMV open house for example a vehicle will usually drive around 3 or 4 times - they basically drove each vehicle around once, sometimes a second time later on... And unfortunately the King Tiger has a transmission problem that prevented it from participating, and the Panther that was present had a battery problem that prevented it from actually taking part... However, P-0 and I waited afterwards and got some very good pictures of the vehicles in their holding areas.

All in all a very good day - I took something around 500 pictures (nowhere near Dennis' 3k+ count of course...). Unfortunately I wont be able to post any pictures until get back to the states tomorrow night at the soonest...

Neil
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