±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 790
Total: 790
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Community Forums
03: Home
04: Home
05: Community Forums
06: Community Forums
07: Home
08: Community Forums
09: CPGlang
10: Community Forums
11: Home
12: Downloads
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Your Account
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: Photo Gallery
22: Home
23: Home
24: Photo Gallery
25: Home
26: Your Account
27: Community Forums
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Community Forums
32: Community Forums
33: Photo Gallery
34: Community Forums
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Photo Gallery
38: Community Forums
39: Photo Gallery
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Photo Gallery
46: Community Forums
47: Photo Gallery
48: Community Forums
49: Member Screenshots
50: Home
51: Community Forums
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Community Forums
57: Community Forums
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Member Screenshots
61: Community Forums
62: Home
63: Photo Gallery
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: Home
67: CPGlang
68: CPGlang
69: Community Forums
70: Community Forums
71: Community Forums
72: Home
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Home
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: Community Forums
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Photo Gallery
84: Community Forums
85: Photo Gallery
86: Community Forums
87: Photo Gallery
88: Community Forums
89: Community Forums
90: Home
91: Community Forums
92: Photo Gallery
93: Photo Gallery
94: Member Screenshots
95: Community Forums
96: Home
97: Your Account
98: Photo Gallery
99: Community Forums
100: Home
101: Community Forums
102: Home
103: Home
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Photo Gallery
107: News
108: CPGlang
109: Community Forums
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: Community Forums
115: Home
116: Community Forums
117: Community Forums
118: Home
119: Community Forums
120: Community Forums
121: Photo Gallery
122: Home
123: CPGlang
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Photo Gallery
128: Home
129: Community Forums
130: CPGlang
131: Community Forums
132: Community Forums
133: Community Forums
134: Photo Gallery
135: Community Forums
136: Home
137: Community Forums
138: Home
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Photo Gallery
145: Community Forums
146: Downloads
147: Photo Gallery
148: Community Forums
149: Downloads
150: Photo Gallery
151: Photo Gallery
152: Community Forums
153: Community Forums
154: Community Forums
155: Downloads
156: Photo Gallery
157: Home
158: Photo Gallery
159: Community Forums
160: Photo Gallery
161: Community Forums
162: CPGlang
163: Community Forums
164: CPGlang
165: Community Forums
166: Photo Gallery
167: Community Forums
168: Photo Gallery
169: CPGlang
170: Your Account
171: Community Forums
172: Photo Gallery
173: Home
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Community Forums
177: Community Forums
178: Community Forums
179: Community Forums
180: Home
181: Photo Gallery
182: Community Forums
183: Community Forums
184: Community Forums
185: CPGlang
186: Community Forums
187: Photo Gallery
188: Photo Gallery
189: Home
190: Home
191: Community Forums
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: Photo Gallery
195: Home
196: Community Forums
197: Community Forums
198: Member Screenshots
199: Home
200: Community Forums
201: CPGlang
202: CPGlang
203: Home
204: Community Forums
205: Community Forums
206: Community Forums
207: News
208: Community Forums
209: Community Forums
210: Community Forums
211: Photo Gallery
212: CPGlang
213: CPGlang
214: Community Forums
215: CPGlang
216: Community Forums
217: Community Forums
218: Community Forums
219: Photo Gallery
220: Community Forums
221: Community Forums
222: Community Forums
223: Home
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Photo Gallery
227: Community Forums
228: Community Forums
229: Your Account
230: Community Forums
231: Your Account
232: Home
233: Home
234: Statistics
235: Member Screenshots
236: Home
237: Home
238: Community Forums
239: Statistics
240: Photo Gallery
241: Community Forums
242: Photo Gallery
243: CPGlang
244: Community Forums
245: Community Forums
246: Community Forums
247: Photo Gallery
248: CPGlang
249: Community Forums
250: Community Forums
251: Community Forums
252: Community Forums
253: Photo Gallery
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums
256: Community Forums
257: Community Forums
258: Community Forums
259: Community Forums
260: CPGlang
261: Community Forums
262: Community Forums
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Community Forums
266: Photo Gallery
267: Member Screenshots
268: Photo Gallery
269: Home
270: CPGlang
271: Member Screenshots
272: Community Forums
273: Community Forums
274: Community Forums
275: Member Screenshots
276: Photo Gallery
277: CPGlang
278: CPGlang
279: Community Forums
280: Community Forums
281: Community Forums
282: Community Forums
283: Community Forums
284: Community Forums
285: Community Forums
286: Photo Gallery
287: Photo Gallery
288: Community Forums
289: Home
290: Photo Gallery
291: Downloads
292: Community Forums
293: Community Forums
294: Photo Gallery
295: Community Forums
296: Community Forums
297: Community Forums
298: Community Forums
299: Community Forums
300: Community Forums
301: Photo Gallery
302: CPGlang
303: Community Forums
304: Community Forums
305: CPGlang
306: Home
307: Community Forums
308: Community Forums
309: Home
310: Community Forums
311: Community Forums
312: Home
313: CPGlang
314: Community Forums
315: Photo Gallery
316: Photo Gallery
317: Community Forums
318: Community Forums
319: Community Forums
320: Home
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums
323: Home
324: Member Screenshots
325: Photo Gallery
326: Community Forums
327: Community Forums
328: Community Forums
329: Photo Gallery
330: Community Forums
331: Photo Gallery
332: Community Forums
333: Community Forums
334: Community Forums
335: Community Forums
336: Photo Gallery
337: Photo Gallery
338: Community Forums
339: Photo Gallery
340: Community Forums
341: Home
342: Home
343: Community Forums
344: Photo Gallery
345: Home
346: Community Forums
347: Downloads
348: Community Forums
349: Community Forums
350: Community Forums
351: Home
352: Community Forums
353: Community Forums
354: Photo Gallery
355: Community Forums
356: Photo Gallery
357: CPGlang
358: Photo Gallery
359: CPGlang
360: Community Forums
361: Photo Gallery
362: Community Forums
363: Community Forums
364: Community Forums
365: Photo Gallery
366: CPGlang
367: Photo Gallery
368: CPGlang
369: Home
370: Community Forums
371: Community Forums
372: CPGlang
373: Community Forums
374: Community Forums
375: Photo Gallery
376: Community Forums
377: Community Forums
378: Home
379: News
380: Community Forums
381: Community Forums
382: Your Account
383: Community Forums
384: Home
385: Community Forums
386: Photo Gallery
387: Community Forums
388: Community Forums
389: Community Forums
390: Community Forums
391: Community Forums
392: Your Account
393: Community Forums
394: Community Forums
395: Photo Gallery
396: Member Screenshots
397: Downloads
398: Photo Gallery
399: Community Forums
400: Community Forums
401: Community Forums
402: Community Forums
403: CPGlang
404: CPGlang
405: Photo Gallery
406: Your Account
407: Photo Gallery
408: Photo Gallery
409: Downloads
410: Community Forums
411: News
412: Photo Gallery
413: Home
414: Community Forums
415: CPGlang
416: Community Forums
417: Your Account
418: Photo Gallery
419: Community Forums
420: Community Forums
421: CPGlang
422: CPGlang
423: Member Screenshots
424: Community Forums
425: Photo Gallery
426: Community Forums
427: Community Forums
428: Photo Gallery
429: Downloads
430: Member Screenshots
431: Photo Gallery
432: Community Forums
433: Community Forums
434: Home
435: Photo Gallery
436: Community Forums
437: Photo Gallery
438: CPGlang
439: Community Forums
440: Home
441: Community Forums
442: Downloads
443: Community Forums
444: Member Screenshots
445: Community Forums
446: Photo Gallery
447: Member Screenshots
448: Photo Gallery
449: Home
450: Member Screenshots
451: Community Forums
452: Community Forums
453: Downloads
454: Downloads
455: Home
456: Community Forums
457: Community Forums
458: Community Forums
459: Home
460: Photo Gallery
461: Home
462: Photo Gallery
463: Community Forums
464: Community Forums
465: Community Forums
466: Community Forums
467: Community Forums
468: CPGlang
469: Home
470: Community Forums
471: Community Forums
472: Community Forums
473: Community Forums
474: Photo Gallery
475: Community Forums
476: Community Forums
477: Community Forums
478: Community Forums
479: Home
480: Community Forums
481: Community Forums
482: Home
483: Community Forums
484: Home
485: Home
486: Community Forums
487: Home
488: Photo Gallery
489: Community Forums
490: Photo Gallery
491: Community Forums
492: Community Forums
493: CPGlang
494: Community Forums
495: Community Forums
496: Community Forums
497: Community Forums
498: Community Forums
499: Downloads
500: Community Forums
501: Community Forums
502: Community Forums
503: Community Forums
504: Community Forums
505: Member Screenshots
506: Community Forums
507: Community Forums
508: Community Forums
509: Community Forums
510: Community Forums
511: Community Forums
512: Downloads
513: Community Forums
514: Community Forums
515: Community Forums
516: Photo Gallery
517: Community Forums
518: Photo Gallery
519: Photo Gallery
520: Photo Gallery
521: Photo Gallery
522: Member Screenshots
523: Community Forums
524: Community Forums
525: Community Forums
526: Photo Gallery
527: Photo Gallery
528: Photo Gallery
529: Photo Gallery
530: Community Forums
531: Community Forums
532: Home
533: Community Forums
534: Community Forums
535: Downloads
536: Home
537: Community Forums
538: Community Forums
539: Photo Gallery
540: Community Forums
541: Community Forums
542: CPGlang
543: CPGlang
544: Community Forums
545: Home
546: Community Forums
547: Community Forums
548: Home
549: Community Forums
550: Community Forums
551: Community Forums
552: Community Forums
553: Community Forums
554: Community Forums
555: Photo Gallery
556: Community Forums
557: Home
558: Home
559: Community Forums
560: News
561: Community Forums
562: Photo Gallery
563: Photo Gallery
564: Community Forums
565: Photo Gallery
566: Your Account
567: Community Forums
568: Community Forums
569: Community Forums
570: Photo Gallery
571: Community Forums
572: Home
573: Community Forums
574: Community Forums
575: Home
576: Community Forums
577: Community Forums
578: Community Forums
579: Community Forums
580: Home
581: Photo Gallery
582: Community Forums
583: Community Forums
584: Community Forums
585: Photo Gallery
586: Community Forums
587: Community Forums
588: Home
589: Downloads
590: Community Forums
591: Photo Gallery
592: Community Forums
593: Community Forums
594: Photo Gallery
595: CPGlang
596: Community Forums
597: Downloads
598: Community Forums
599: Photo Gallery
600: Community Forums
601: Home
602: Home
603: CPGlang
604: Community Forums
605: Community Forums
606: Community Forums
607: Photo Gallery
608: Home
609: Home
610: Photo Gallery
611: Community Forums
612: Photo Gallery
613: Community Forums
614: Downloads
615: Contact
616: Home
617: Home
618: Community Forums
619: Community Forums
620: CPGlang
621: Home
622: Community Forums
623: CPGlang
624: Community Forums
625: Your Account
626: Community Forums
627: Photo Gallery
628: Home
629: Community Forums
630: CPGlang
631: Member Screenshots
632: Community Forums
633: CPGlang
634: Photo Gallery
635: Home
636: Photo Gallery
637: Community Forums
638: Community Forums
639: Community Forums
640: Community Forums
641: Community Forums
642: Community Forums
643: Downloads
644: Home
645: Community Forums
646: Community Forums
647: Community Forums
648: Photo Gallery
649: Community Forums
650: Home
651: Community Forums
652: Community Forums
653: Community Forums
654: Community Forums
655: Downloads
656: Photo Gallery
657: Downloads
658: Community Forums
659: Home
660: Photo Gallery
661: Photo Gallery
662: Community Forums
663: Downloads
664: Member Screenshots
665: Photo Gallery
666: Community Forums
667: Community Forums
668: Downloads
669: Community Forums
670: Community Forums
671: Community Forums
672: Photo Gallery
673: Community Forums
674: Community Forums
675: Member Screenshots
676: Photo Gallery
677: Home
678: Community Forums
679: Member Screenshots
680: Community Forums
681: CPGlang
682: Community Forums
683: CPGlang
684: CPGlang
685: CPGlang
686: CPGlang
687: Community Forums
688: Community Forums
689: Community Forums
690: Community Forums
691: Community Forums
692: Home
693: CPGlang
694: Downloads
695: Photo Gallery
696: Community Forums
697: Community Forums
698: Member Screenshots
699: Community Forums
700: Photo Gallery
701: CPGlang
702: Community Forums
703: Community Forums
704: Community Forums
705: Community Forums
706: Community Forums
707: Photo Gallery
708: Community Forums
709: Your Account
710: Community Forums
711: Statistics
712: Photo Gallery
713: CPGlang
714: Community Forums
715: Community Forums
716: Photo Gallery
717: Community Forums
718: Community Forums
719: Community Forums
720: Community Forums
721: Community Forums
722: Community Forums
723: Downloads
724: Community Forums
725: Community Forums
726: Community Forums
727: Community Forums
728: Community Forums
729: Community Forums
730: Community Forums
731: Photo Gallery
732: CPGlang
733: Community Forums
734: Home
735: Community Forums
736: Photo Gallery
737: Photo Gallery
738: Community Forums
739: Tell a Friend
740: Photo Gallery
741: Community Forums
742: Community Forums
743: Community Forums
744: Community Forums
745: Community Forums
746: Photo Gallery
747: Community Forums
748: Community Forums
749: Community Forums
750: Community Forums
751: Community Forums
752: Community Forums
753: Home
754: Community Forums
755: Community Forums
756: Photo Gallery
757: Community Forums
758: Community Forums
759: Photo Gallery
760: Photo Gallery
761: Community Forums
762: Photo Gallery
763: Community Forums
764: Community Forums
765: Community Forums
766: CPGlang
767: Photo Gallery
768: Community Forums
769: Photo Gallery
770: Community Forums
771: Home
772: Community Forums
773: Home
774: Community Forums
775: CPGlang
776: Community Forums
777: Photo Gallery
778: Community Forums
779: CPGlang
780: Photo Gallery
781: Community Forums
782: Community Forums
783: Home
784: Home
785: CPGlang
786: Community Forums
787: Photo Gallery
788: Community Forums
789: Community Forums
790: Home

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
M50 Ontos question/picture for Dontos
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 3:08 am
Post subject: M50 Ontos question/picture for Dontos

[img][/img]

Don,
I found this picture while "Googling". Any idea what the Hog/Sow image on the front fender is?
Also, back in 1993-95 time frame at Ft Stewart, GA., I was on Mortar firing point 4 or 5, when I found a bunch of flechettes stuck all through a dead downed tree on the range. Word had it that the Ranger Batt at Hunter Army Airfield used to fire recoiless rifles on the same range. Would these flechettes be from the AP-T (antipersonnel-tracer) round. If they are, would they have been fired from the M40A1/A2, 106mm recoiless rifle, and is this the same rifle found on the Ontos? The Ontos had a 50 cal "marking" rifle as well, how many were there?, one for each tube?
I read that 176 Ontos were acquired by the USMC for use in VietNam. While popular, their main weakness was the crews vulnerability while reloading. It also said the Ontos was dropped from inventory in 1970. I got this info from Olive-Drab.com. School me on the Ontos.

_________________
SFC Jeff Button "High Angle Hell"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 3:39 am
Post subject: Re: M50 Ontos question/picture for Dontos

There is very little written on the Ontos. A couple of online articles, magazine features, but no definitive history.

Here are a couple of site that can lead you in the right direction:

The History of the Ontos

Ontos Veterans Site

Just one Ontos Restoration site

I'm not an Ontos Veteran, but just a dedicated armor historian, my knowledge on the subject is based off of oral history and the bits & pieces I've been able to dig up. There are a couple of Ontos veterans, that lurked around on the old AFV. I hope they have made the 'leap'.

If those sites don't answer your questions, I'd be happy to attempt it.

BTW: That photo is common on the net. Its a Bravo Co vehicle (written over the pig emblem. The location and specific Anti Tank Battalion is unknown.

The 'PIG' is a nickname for the Ontos.
Enjoy

_________________
"Gonna hold my breath until Armor returns home..."
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:52 am
Post subject: Re: M50 Ontos question/picture for Dontos

Hi Jeff! Hi Folks!

"Would these flechettes be from the AP-T (antipersonnel-tracer) round."

The flechette rounds I have see were from the Sheridan. Those rounds didn't have a tracer element. They were like a can packed full of those modified nails. After the can cleared the muzzle, the sides would break off into four parts, along with a flat plate on the front, three or maybe four flat plates between each row of packed nails (half point foward and half pointed backwards) and another flat plate at the base. Something a bit like a shotgun with the smallest size buck shot. As soon as the round cleared the muzzle, it started breaking apart and fanning out. No need or time of a tracer element. It was a point blank oversized shotgun type of round.

"If they are, would they have been fired from the M40A1/A2, 106mm recoiless rifle, "

Possible, but I am not sure.
I think the flechette type round started with the 105mm howitzer and by the time Vietnam ended most of the direct fire weapons had an anti-personnel round with flechetts.

Sgt, Scouts Out!
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 9:32 am
Post subject: Re: M50 Ontos question/picture for Dontos

Jeff this is a 106mm Beehive.

[img][/img]

Don

_________________
"Gonna hold my breath until Armor returns home..."
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:09 am
Post subject: Re: M50 Ontos question/picture for Dontos

I thought AP-T would be an Armor piercing round with tracer. Was there an official letter desgnater for beehive rounds? I've always heard them refered to as beehive and i assume they have an M (or XM) designator but do they have something along the lines of AP, APDS, HE, HEAT, HEP?

_________________
Bob Smart (bsmart@xecu.net)
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:31 am
Post subject: Re: M50 Ontos question/picture for Dontos

APERS or Anti Personnel is the designator for BeeHive

AP-T would be Armor Piercing w/Tracer.

Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:29 pm
Post subject: Re: M50 Ontos question/picture for Dontos

FYI


_________________
"Gonna hold my breath until Armor returns home..."
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum