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Massimo_Foti · Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:35 pm Post subject: Re: Centi-Bunker

Cool, I took a note about the date. There are good chances I will be there. I'll let you know later on.

Do you plan to visit other military museums? Solothurm's Arsenal is a little gem, a place that usually the whole family enjoy. And the city is very nice too. I heartily recommend it. Dubendorf Museum (planes) isn't that big but worth a visit, it's very close to Zurich. If you are in the Lausanne/Geneva area, Morges's Museum is hosted inside a castle and the town on the lake is a pleasant place.

I have pictures on Flickr from Solothurm and Morges, not from Dubendorf (not yet). Feel free to ask if you would like additional info.

Going off-topic now, if you are in Zurich, stop by one of the many Sprungli shops and try some "Luxemburgerli". It's hard to explain how good they are, they aren't just food, more like a kind of mystical experience Smile

www.spruengli.ch/luxem...5862r5mnq5

Massimo

WimD. · Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: Centi-Bunker

Hello Massimo,

I would be delighted to meet you. My wife and I stay for about a week in Zwitserland so I like to (must) visit the Full Museum 21 july at 10.00 hours, the same day I like to visit the Festungsmuseum Reuenthal, not far away from the Full Museum.

Regards,
Wim.

Massimo_Foti · Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:55 pm Post subject: Re: Centi-Bunker

- WimD.

Interesting question. I have no idea, next time I visit the museum (july 2012) I will ask

Let me know as soon as you have an exact date. We may meet over there if you like

Massimo

WimD. · Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: Centi-Bunker

Hi Doug,

Interesting question. I have no idea, next time I visit the museum (july 2012) I will ask if the turrets in bunkers are operated manuel or with electrical capability.

Regards,
Wim

Doug_Kibbey · Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 12:58 am Post subject: Re: Centi-Bunker

In general, are turrets emplaced as bunkers supplied with power (other than some minimal electrical capability, if that) or are they usually reliant on manual operation for traverse/elevation/fire control?

WimD. · Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:02 pm Post subject: Re: Centi-Bunker

Hi,

In the Full Museum you can see a centi-bunker for training purposes.

Regards,
Wim.

Massimo_Foti · Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: Centi-Bunker

Centurion M-0907 Bunker by Massimo Foti, on Flickr

Michel_Krauss · Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:21 am Post subject: Re: Centi-Bunker

Reminds me a lot of all the pre em-placed stuff in South Korea along the Western Corridor

That is not the only place where they have copied the idea

The same system was also used in Austria
Primarily to defend the country against Hungary and Czechoslovakia, later against the Warsaw Pact and NATO

I doubt if the Swiss invented it, most likely it is as old as mankind

However I'm 100% sure it where not the Dutch who invented it Laughing

Michel

Joe_D · Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: Centi-Bunker

The idea was to blast part of the mountain so it would drop onto the road beneath, to block the road

Reminds me a lot of all the pre em-placed stuff in South Korea along the Western Corridor.

Michel_Krauss · Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 1:06 pm Post subject: Re: Centi-Bunker

I have been reading in the information at the Festung Oberland site an little

And the information about the defence works is very good

I finally know what some of these metal doors are, that can be found along some of the major roads through the mountains

Some of them are acces doors to "Sperrstelle mit Sprengobjekt"
You could translate it with "blast location with explosive object"

The idea was to blast part of the mountain so it would drop onto the road beneath, to block the road

Michel

Massimo_Foti · Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:41 am Post subject: Re: Centi-Bunker

Do the Swiss have trouble with vandals or thieves damaging these installations?

Not that I am aware. Usually they are fences/enclosures around. Private associations take care of many of them, but they are tipically accessible only a few days a year or on demand. See Reuenthal for example:
www.festungsmuseum.ch/...on/f38.cfm

Massimo

Maple_Leaf_Eh · ***Power User*** Offline Joined: Jan 24, 2006 Posts: 517

Great link! I like the outside to inside sequencing. The little chip of the topographic map explains the placement very well.

Do the Swiss have trouble with vandals or thieves damaging these installations?

Rikard_Hufschmied · Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: Centi-Bunker

If I remember correctly the Swiss sold a lot of Centurions to Sweden in the 90's, they were mostly used as hard targets for missile tests, STRIX 120mm mortar ammo tests also took a heavy toll on them.

STRIX Promo with ex. Swiss Centurion hard targets

Ex. Swiss Centurion hit by a RB56 missle

Massimo_Foti · Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: Centi-Bunker

The Swiss Army acquired 300+ Centurions, so there would be plenty of turrets to spare.

One little know thing is that the Swiss Army acquired 20 Centurions from the Canadian Army in 1978, they were used for spare parts and 4 turrets turned into simulators. One of the two Centurions visible in Thin's Panzermuseum is indeed a former canadian tank:
www.preservedtanks.com...5&Select=4

Massimo

Massimo_Foti · Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: Centi-Bunker

Yes, Switzerland is a very fascinating place for fortification enthusiasts, so many installations are in great shape since they were kept in active service since just a few years ago.

Massimo

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