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This place where I live has fence posts made out of some old ammo containers. They are about 4 inches in diameter and maybe 6 feet long. No writing. Could Bangelore Torpedoes come in these?


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'Weed,
My Engineer Battle Buddy says it's not Bangalore, told me they came in wooden crates. Maybe 2.75" Rocket, but I'm not a wingy thingy guy.

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Joe,

I never thought of that. The 2.75" rocket would fit in one of these. That's probably right. Thanks!

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Joe,

I never thought of that. The 2.75" rocket would fit in one of these. That's probably right. Thanks!


Ya' know, I'm not so sure that's what it is. 2.75"FFAR's are mighty plentiful and made by everybody and that seems like a pretty sophisticated container for such an item. I'm no expert, but I believe the rocket motor is typically packaged separately and in bulk in cardboard tubes in wooden crates (wasn't it this way in Vietnam?). Bob Smart might have some insight here.

Here are two examples, one of units in storage in Vietnam, and one of a current supplier from Brasil. See what you think...

www.vhpamuseum.org/wea...ockets.jpg


www.imbel.gov.br/index...mp;lang=en
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For once I can't help. When I was in 1 TFW the phrase was 'Not a pound for Air To Ground' The only ordnance we carried was AIM 9 & AIM 7 missles. They came out of the ammo dump on trailers not in containers.

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Looks to me like two storage containers for Rocket, target, 3.25-inch M2 joined end to end...

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try this u can zoom on pics etc maic.jmu.edu/ordata/sr...?ordid=282

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A thorough exam of the surface - including the ends - should reveal a PAxx or Mxx number for the container which will help the ID. Unfortunately, if the product shipped was not Ordnance-cognizant, it will not likely have a PA or M designator. For example, 115mm chemical rockets which belong to the ChemC.

FYI, I checked today and the 2.75-in rockets were and are shipped in fiber tubes, both as components and as an assembly.

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hey tumbleweed,
dont know what that is. looks bigger than 2.75. ah, it is a sewer pipe, came off an old ww1 vintage destroyer, hell, i dont know. sorry...
the 2.75's i got are all crated and packed in cardboard tubes, motors are roughly 42 inches or so and the warheads are just under 18".

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That was his second time at Knox with a couple other stops inbetween if I remember correctly. He ain't named Tumbleweed for nothin'

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I'm still Tumblin'

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Jim, I went out and looked again and you are right that it is two containers joined end to end. So they measure 4 3/4 inches by 38 inches. There's an old, faded stencil that says, "PJNIM" if that means anything. Photo shows where containers are joined.


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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 5:26 pm
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There's an old, faded stencil that says, "PJNIM" if that means anything. Photo shows where containers are joined.



PJNIM (or perhaps P1NIM?) is the Code Symbol or Ammunition Identification Code for this ammunition item.

P means it was cataloged in SNL Group P_. The catalogs were P-1, P-2 and the like, I don't think there was ever a letter-letter designator. Catalog P-1 covered Projectiles, separate loading, 6-inch to 240mm inclusive. Others in Group P were propelling charges and antiaircraft artillery ammo, and others.

NIM would be a designator indicating a particular stocking arrangement, including both the ammunition and the packaging.

The 3.25-inch target rocket someone mentioned was cataloged in group S-9, S9B _ _ to be exact, with the motors as S9D _ _.

If there's any chance of finding clearer stencils, that would say exactly what this is for.

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Anyone know where to get any of the SNL code books?

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Jim, This might be what you're talking about:

www3.dac.army.mil/AV/Y...INDEX.HTML


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