±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 603
Total: 603
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: News
03: Photo Gallery
04: Downloads
05: Home
06: Community Forums
07: Community Forums
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Community Forums
11: Photo Gallery
12: Photo Gallery
13: Community Forums
14: Photo Gallery
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: Community Forums
19: Downloads
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: Home
23: Downloads
24: Community Forums
25: Downloads
26: Community Forums
27: Home
28: News Archive
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Community Forums
32: Photo Gallery
33: Photo Gallery
34: Community Forums
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: Home
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: Downloads
45: Downloads
46: Community Forums
47: Your Account
48: Community Forums
49: Member Screenshots
50: Photo Gallery
51: Photo Gallery
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Photo Gallery
57: Community Forums
58: Community Forums
59: Home
60: Home
61: Community Forums
62: News Archive
63: Photo Gallery
64: Community Forums
65: Photo Gallery
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: Photo Gallery
70: Community Forums
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: News Archive
76: Home
77: Community Forums
78: Community Forums
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: News
83: Downloads
84: Community Forums
85: Photo Gallery
86: Home
87: Community Forums
88: Photo Gallery
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: Community Forums
96: Community Forums
97: Community Forums
98: Community Forums
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Community Forums
102: Community Forums
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: Photo Gallery
106: Home
107: Photo Gallery
108: Home
109: Community Forums
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: Downloads
115: Community Forums
116: Community Forums
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: Home
121: Downloads
122: Downloads
123: Community Forums
124: Home
125: Community Forums
126: Your Account
127: Home
128: Community Forums
129: Photo Gallery
130: Downloads
131: Photo Gallery
132: Community Forums
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Your Account
137: Home
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Member Screenshots
142: Photo Gallery
143: Home
144: Community Forums
145: Community Forums
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Photo Gallery
149: Community Forums
150: Photo Gallery
151: Community Forums
152: Community Forums
153: Community Forums
154: Community Forums
155: Community Forums
156: CPGlang
157: Community Forums
158: Statistics
159: Community Forums
160: Community Forums
161: Community Forums
162: Community Forums
163: Home
164: Home
165: Community Forums
166: Member Screenshots
167: Community Forums
168: Photo Gallery
169: Community Forums
170: Search
171: Community Forums
172: Community Forums
173: Community Forums
174: Your Account
175: Community Forums
176: Community Forums
177: Community Forums
178: Home
179: Community Forums
180: Photo Gallery
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: News
184: Home
185: Photo Gallery
186: News Archive
187: Photo Gallery
188: Home
189: Community Forums
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: Home
195: Photo Gallery
196: Community Forums
197: Community Forums
198: Community Forums
199: Community Forums
200: Community Forums
201: Community Forums
202: Community Forums
203: CPGlang
204: Photo Gallery
205: Photo Gallery
206: Community Forums
207: Community Forums
208: Community Forums
209: Community Forums
210: Community Forums
211: Community Forums
212: Photo Gallery
213: Home
214: Community Forums
215: Community Forums
216: Photo Gallery
217: Community Forums
218: Community Forums
219: Community Forums
220: Community Forums
221: Community Forums
222: Photo Gallery
223: Member Screenshots
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Community Forums
227: Statistics
228: CPGlang
229: Photo Gallery
230: Downloads
231: Community Forums
232: Home
233: Community Forums
234: Home
235: Community Forums
236: CPGlang
237: Downloads
238: Home
239: Community Forums
240: Photo Gallery
241: Community Forums
242: Community Forums
243: Community Forums
244: Home
245: Photo Gallery
246: Community Forums
247: Community Forums
248: Community Forums
249: Community Forums
250: Your Account
251: Community Forums
252: Downloads
253: News Archive
254: Photo Gallery
255: Home
256: Photo Gallery
257: Community Forums
258: Community Forums
259: Community Forums
260: Home
261: Community Forums
262: Community Forums
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Community Forums
266: Community Forums
267: Community Forums
268: Community Forums
269: Community Forums
270: Community Forums
271: Home
272: Photo Gallery
273: Photo Gallery
274: Photo Gallery
275: Photo Gallery
276: Photo Gallery
277: Treasury
278: Community Forums
279: Community Forums
280: Photo Gallery
281: News
282: Photo Gallery
283: Community Forums
284: Community Forums
285: Community Forums
286: Photo Gallery
287: Home
288: Community Forums
289: Downloads
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Community Forums
293: Community Forums
294: Home
295: Community Forums
296: Community Forums
297: Community Forums
298: Community Forums
299: Community Forums
300: Community Forums
301: Photo Gallery
302: Community Forums
303: Community Forums
304: Community Forums
305: Community Forums
306: Photo Gallery
307: Home
308: Home
309: Community Forums
310: Community Forums
311: Community Forums
312: Community Forums
313: News Archive
314: Community Forums
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: Photo Gallery
318: Community Forums
319: Community Forums
320: Home
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums
323: Community Forums
324: Downloads
325: Community Forums
326: Community Forums
327: Community Forums
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: Community Forums
331: Home
332: Treasury
333: Community Forums
334: Community Forums
335: Community Forums
336: Photo Gallery
337: Photo Gallery
338: Community Forums
339: Community Forums
340: Statistics
341: Community Forums
342: Community Forums
343: Photo Gallery
344: Community Forums
345: Community Forums
346: Photo Gallery
347: Community Forums
348: Photo Gallery
349: CPGlang
350: Photo Gallery
351: Community Forums
352: Photo Gallery
353: Photo Gallery
354: Community Forums
355: Community Forums
356: Community Forums
357: Home
358: Photo Gallery
359: News
360: Downloads
361: Community Forums
362: Home
363: Community Forums
364: Community Forums
365: Photo Gallery
366: Photo Gallery
367: Community Forums
368: Photo Gallery
369: Community Forums
370: Photo Gallery
371: Community Forums
372: Photo Gallery
373: Community Forums
374: Community Forums
375: Community Forums
376: Photo Gallery
377: Photo Gallery
378: Photo Gallery
379: Community Forums
380: Community Forums
381: Community Forums
382: Community Forums
383: Community Forums
384: Community Forums
385: Community Forums
386: Community Forums
387: Community Forums
388: Community Forums
389: Community Forums
390: Community Forums
391: Community Forums
392: Community Forums
393: Photo Gallery
394: Community Forums
395: Community Forums
396: Your Account
397: Community Forums
398: Downloads
399: Community Forums
400: Community Forums
401: Community Forums
402: Community Forums
403: Community Forums
404: Community Forums
405: Home
406: Downloads
407: Photo Gallery
408: Photo Gallery
409: Photo Gallery
410: Photo Gallery
411: Photo Gallery
412: Community Forums
413: Community Forums
414: Home
415: CPGlang
416: Community Forums
417: Photo Gallery
418: Community Forums
419: Community Forums
420: Photo Gallery
421: Community Forums
422: Community Forums
423: Community Forums
424: Community Forums
425: Community Forums
426: Member Screenshots
427: Photo Gallery
428: Photo Gallery
429: CPGlang
430: Home
431: Community Forums
432: Home
433: Photo Gallery
434: Community Forums
435: Your Account
436: Community Forums
437: Downloads
438: Member Screenshots
439: Photo Gallery
440: Community Forums
441: Home
442: Community Forums
443: Community Forums
444: Photo Gallery
445: Photo Gallery
446: Photo Gallery
447: Photo Gallery
448: Community Forums
449: Community Forums
450: Community Forums
451: Community Forums
452: Community Forums
453: Community Forums
454: Community Forums
455: Downloads
456: Your Account
457: Community Forums
458: Member Screenshots
459: Community Forums
460: Community Forums
461: Community Forums
462: Community Forums
463: Community Forums
464: Community Forums
465: Community Forums
466: Community Forums
467: Community Forums
468: Community Forums
469: Community Forums
470: Community Forums
471: Community Forums
472: Community Forums
473: Community Forums
474: Photo Gallery
475: Home
476: Community Forums
477: Community Forums
478: Your Account
479: Your Account
480: Community Forums
481: Community Forums
482: Your Account
483: Home
484: Community Forums
485: Community Forums
486: Member Screenshots
487: Photo Gallery
488: Community Forums
489: Statistics
490: Photo Gallery
491: Community Forums
492: Community Forums
493: Community Forums
494: Community Forums
495: Community Forums
496: Community Forums
497: Downloads
498: Community Forums
499: Home
500: Home
501: Home
502: Community Forums
503: Home
504: Community Forums
505: Community Forums
506: Photo Gallery
507: Community Forums
508: Community Forums
509: Home
510: Community Forums
511: Community Forums
512: Community Forums
513: Photo Gallery
514: Photo Gallery
515: Photo Gallery
516: Community Forums
517: Community Forums
518: Photo Gallery
519: News Archive
520: Community Forums
521: Community Forums
522: Community Forums
523: Community Forums
524: Community Forums
525: Community Forums
526: Community Forums
527: Home
528: Home
529: Community Forums
530: Downloads
531: Community Forums
532: Home
533: Photo Gallery
534: Photo Gallery
535: Photo Gallery
536: Photo Gallery
537: CPGlang
538: Home
539: Community Forums
540: Photo Gallery
541: Community Forums
542: Community Forums
543: Photo Gallery
544: Home
545: Community Forums
546: Community Forums
547: Community Forums
548: Community Forums
549: Community Forums
550: Community Forums
551: Community Forums
552: Community Forums
553: Community Forums
554: Community Forums
555: Community Forums
556: Your Account
557: Community Forums
558: Community Forums
559: Home
560: Photo Gallery
561: Photo Gallery
562: Community Forums
563: Community Forums
564: Photo Gallery
565: Community Forums
566: Community Forums
567: Photo Gallery
568: Community Forums
569: Community Forums
570: Community Forums
571: Community Forums
572: Home
573: Community Forums
574: News Archive
575: Community Forums
576: Community Forums
577: Community Forums
578: Community Forums
579: Home
580: CPGlang
581: Community Forums
582: Community Forums
583: Community Forums
584: Community Forums
585: Community Forums
586: Community Forums
587: Downloads
588: Home
589: Your Account
590: Community Forums
591: Community Forums
592: Home
593: Community Forums
594: Home
595: Home
596: Community Forums
597: Home
598: Community Forums
599: Community Forums
600: Photo Gallery
601: Community Forums
602: Community Forums
603: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Joe D?
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:25 pm
Post subject: Joe D?

Has anyone heard from Joe D in while? I have someone from the US Army in Germany with some questions about a display M60A3 they - appears to be a new build M60A3 (as opposed to a rebuild) with SN 079, which would appear to make it a very early M60A3 new build?

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Tichenor
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Dec 06, 2007
Posts: 461
Location: Antwerp
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:35 pm
Post subject: Re: Joe D?

That should be this one:
www.afvregister.org/De...137&Page=0

and here too: www.com-central.net/in...grafenwohr

michel
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:39 pm
Post subject: Re: Joe D?

Yep, that's it!
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:50 pm
Post subject: Re: Joe D?

- Neil_Baumgardner
Has anyone heard from Joe D in while? I have someone from the US Army in Germany with some questions about a display M60A3 they - appears to be a new build M60A3 (as opposed to a rebuild) with SN 079, which would appear to make it a very early M60A3 new build?

Neil


He's around, has scaled back presence for reasons of his own. PM or email would likely find a response.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:14 pm
Post subject: Re: Joe D?

I have emailed him, but wasnt sure if he's deployed or what...
Back to top
View user's profile
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:25 am
Post subject: Re: Joe D?

Neil

If thats the tank at Graf, there is a lot of 'chatter' on the Brotherhood of Tankers FB page. Joe has answered a bunch of info on it.

He hasn't been online much. Actually that has been going around a bunch, I've been offline for a couple of weeks.....

Regards
Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2066
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:44 pm
Post subject: Re: Joe D?

Neil,

Sorry for the late response, closing on winter and been busy around the homestead.

This tank is an original build M60A3 RISE/Passive. One of the initial batch of 296 funded for in fiscal years 76/77. Based on the serial/registration there is a very good chance this tank might have been in 1-32 Armor Battalion, 3rd Armored Division. They were the first operational A3 Battalion in West Germany in May of 1979. Around 1983 she would've been pulled from the line along with all other A3 RISE/Passives in Germany and converted to TTS standard at Mainz Army Depot. Then re issued to a unit that hadn't transitioned to A3's. This tank used to be a static display in Weisbaden on the parade field and sported the Unit markings of 1st Armored Division, HQ-66. That would make sense because 1AD converted to A3's later. A good indicator that an A3 tank was converted from Passive to TTS would be the DATA plate in the hull and turret. An original would have the acceptance stamp and build date, a converted tank would have a newer plate changing the designation of the tank from A3 RISE/Passive to A3 TTS with the date the conversion took place and not have the acceptance stamp. Initially only the turret plate was changed out, leading to confusion for a while. Same problem happened when the Army converted A1's to A1 RISE/Passive standard. Took a bulletin and order from TACOM to fix this, some units actually having a contact team show up and change out the data plates.

The only sure way I know of to track this tanks history would be to contact Watervliet Arsenal and hope they kept the 2408-4 Gun Cards. These cards were maintained by the unit and sent in every 6 months to WVA. The card would have the unit and tank bumper # along with all rounds fired and maintenance procedures done. Unfortunately there is a good chance they were all disposed of once these systems were classified as obsolete. I doubt anyone would've digitized them. There is a chance they might have been converted to micro-fiche, but still who would keep this stuff. At one time when I was deep into researching the M60 I planned to contact WVA and see if they might still have those records. Who knows, there might be that proverbial storage room stacked with these cards in boxes gathering dust up there. The historical info would be priceless, since they would include earlier tanks and the USMC. This is about the only way I know of to track where a US tank was over it's history.

_________________
Joe_D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:32 pm
Post subject: Re: Joe D?

I just received some pictures for this M60A3:









Back to top
View user's profile
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2066
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:01 pm
Post subject: Re: Joe D?

Nice pictures Neil,

Notice the turret data plate is for an A3 TTS with a build date of JUL 83. It also doesn't have the acceptance stamp. This plate was applied when converted to TTS standards. The hull plate is the original with the build date of JAN 79 and has the Government acceptance stamp. Notice the plate is for an M60A3 and doesn't have the TTS designator. Instead of changing the plate out they just applied a decal/sticker with the new National Stock Number (NSN) that applied to TTS tanks. The original NSN would've been 9-2350-00-148-6548. Didn't know they did that. Stateside A3 examples I've seen that were converted to TTS all had the plate swapped out. Most likely because they had been thru refurbish at Anniston prior to issue to the Guard. That's a rare plate, since only 748 A3 Passives were issued to the Army.

Been a good week between Neil and Rick's pictures for me. Might just start working on my project again, although Fort Knox's archives moving and now no longer accessible to me was one of the reasons I quit.

_________________
Joe_D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum