±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 729
Total: 729
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Community Forums
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: Downloads
06: Home
07: Community Forums
08: Downloads
09: Community Forums
10: Community Forums
11: Community Forums
12: Photo Gallery
13: Downloads
14: Downloads
15: Home
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: Community Forums
19: Your Account
20: Community Forums
21: Photo Gallery
22: Community Forums
23: Home
24: Community Forums
25: Home
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Community Forums
29: CPGlang
30: Community Forums
31: Photo Gallery
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: Community Forums
35: Community Forums
36: News
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: Home
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: CPGlang
44: Community Forums
45: Community Forums
46: Photo Gallery
47: Community Forums
48: Community Forums
49: Downloads
50: Photo Gallery
51: Community Forums
52: Member Screenshots
53: Photo Gallery
54: Community Forums
55: Photo Gallery
56: Community Forums
57: Community Forums
58: Photo Gallery
59: Home
60: Community Forums
61: Photo Gallery
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Home
65: Community Forums
66: Home
67: Community Forums
68: Photo Gallery
69: Community Forums
70: Community Forums
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Downloads
74: Member Screenshots
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: Community Forums
79: Downloads
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: Member Screenshots
85: Community Forums
86: Photo Gallery
87: Community Forums
88: CPGlang
89: Home
90: Downloads
91: Home
92: Community Forums
93: Photo Gallery
94: Community Forums
95: Community Forums
96: Home
97: Photo Gallery
98: Home
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Photo Gallery
102: Community Forums
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Photo Gallery
107: Downloads
108: Community Forums
109: Community Forums
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Downloads
113: Member Screenshots
114: Home
115: Member Screenshots
116: Member Screenshots
117: Downloads
118: Community Forums
119: Photo Gallery
120: Community Forums
121: Community Forums
122: Community Forums
123: Community Forums
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Home
128: Community Forums
129: Photo Gallery
130: Member Screenshots
131: Community Forums
132: Photo Gallery
133: Photo Gallery
134: Community Forums
135: Photo Gallery
136: Home
137: Home
138: Community Forums
139: Photo Gallery
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Community Forums
143: Downloads
144: Your Account
145: Community Forums
146: Home
147: Community Forums
148: Community Forums
149: Photo Gallery
150: Community Forums
151: Community Forums
152: Community Forums
153: Downloads
154: Community Forums
155: Downloads
156: Community Forums
157: Community Forums
158: Home
159: Community Forums
160: Community Forums
161: Photo Gallery
162: Community Forums
163: Home
164: Downloads
165: Community Forums
166: Photo Gallery
167: Community Forums
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Community Forums
172: Community Forums
173: Home
174: Community Forums
175: Photo Gallery
176: Community Forums
177: Community Forums
178: Home
179: Community Forums
180: Community Forums
181: Community Forums
182: Home
183: Community Forums
184: Your Account
185: Community Forums
186: Community Forums
187: Downloads
188: Community Forums
189: Downloads
190: Downloads
191: Community Forums
192: Downloads
193: Community Forums
194: Downloads
195: CPGlang
196: Your Account
197: Community Forums
198: Photo Gallery
199: Statistics
200: Community Forums
201: Downloads
202: Community Forums
203: Community Forums
204: Downloads
205: Community Forums
206: Community Forums
207: Community Forums
208: Community Forums
209: Community Forums
210: Photo Gallery
211: Downloads
212: Community Forums
213: Community Forums
214: Statistics
215: Home
216: Community Forums
217: Photo Gallery
218: Photo Gallery
219: Photo Gallery
220: Downloads
221: Community Forums
222: Community Forums
223: Your Account
224: Community Forums
225: Photo Gallery
226: Community Forums
227: Downloads
228: Home
229: Home
230: Community Forums
231: Downloads
232: Downloads
233: Community Forums
234: Community Forums
235: Community Forums
236: Community Forums
237: Downloads
238: Photo Gallery
239: Home
240: Community Forums
241: Home
242: Community Forums
243: News
244: Community Forums
245: Community Forums
246: Downloads
247: Home
248: Photo Gallery
249: Community Forums
250: Home
251: Community Forums
252: Downloads
253: Member Screenshots
254: Community Forums
255: Photo Gallery
256: Community Forums
257: Downloads
258: Downloads
259: Community Forums
260: Community Forums
261: Downloads
262: Community Forums
263: Community Forums
264: Photo Gallery
265: Downloads
266: Community Forums
267: Community Forums
268: Your Account
269: Community Forums
270: Photo Gallery
271: Downloads
272: Photo Gallery
273: Community Forums
274: News
275: Home
276: Community Forums
277: Your Account
278: Home
279: Photo Gallery
280: Community Forums
281: Community Forums
282: Community Forums
283: Community Forums
284: Community Forums
285: Community Forums
286: Community Forums
287: Community Forums
288: Home
289: Community Forums
290: Downloads
291: Community Forums
292: Downloads
293: Community Forums
294: Community Forums
295: Community Forums
296: Downloads
297: Community Forums
298: Photo Gallery
299: Downloads
300: Community Forums
301: CPGlang
302: Home
303: Photo Gallery
304: Community Forums
305: Community Forums
306: Community Forums
307: Downloads
308: Community Forums
309: Community Forums
310: Community Forums
311: Community Forums
312: Photo Gallery
313: Photo Gallery
314: Community Forums
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: Member Screenshots
318: Downloads
319: Community Forums
320: Downloads
321: Photo Gallery
322: Downloads
323: Community Forums
324: Community Forums
325: Community Forums
326: Downloads
327: Community Forums
328: Community Forums
329: Home
330: Community Forums
331: Community Forums
332: Downloads
333: Community Forums
334: Home
335: Downloads
336: Photo Gallery
337: Community Forums
338: Community Forums
339: Community Forums
340: Community Forums
341: Community Forums
342: Community Forums
343: Photo Gallery
344: Community Forums
345: Community Forums
346: Community Forums
347: Community Forums
348: Your Account
349: Community Forums
350: Downloads
351: Community Forums
352: Photo Gallery
353: Community Forums
354: Community Forums
355: CPGlang
356: Community Forums
357: Community Forums
358: Community Forums
359: Community Forums
360: Community Forums
361: Downloads
362: Community Forums
363: Photo Gallery
364: Photo Gallery
365: Community Forums
366: Community Forums
367: Community Forums
368: Community Forums
369: Home
370: Community Forums
371: Member Screenshots
372: Community Forums
373: Community Forums
374: Community Forums
375: Photo Gallery
376: Community Forums
377: Community Forums
378: Photo Gallery
379: Community Forums
380: Community Forums
381: Photo Gallery
382: Downloads
383: Community Forums
384: Member Screenshots
385: Downloads
386: Community Forums
387: Community Forums
388: Community Forums
389: Community Forums
390: Community Forums
391: Photo Gallery
392: Community Forums
393: Downloads
394: Community Forums
395: Community Forums
396: Downloads
397: Community Forums
398: Photo Gallery
399: Community Forums
400: Community Forums
401: Member Screenshots
402: Photo Gallery
403: Community Forums
404: Community Forums
405: Community Forums
406: Photo Gallery
407: Community Forums
408: Community Forums
409: Community Forums
410: Community Forums
411: Community Forums
412: Home
413: Community Forums
414: Your Account
415: Community Forums
416: Community Forums
417: Community Forums
418: News Archive
419: Community Forums
420: Community Forums
421: Downloads
422: Community Forums
423: Community Forums
424: Downloads
425: Community Forums
426: Downloads
427: Home
428: Community Forums
429: CPGlang
430: Community Forums
431: Member Screenshots
432: Community Forums
433: Home
434: Community Forums
435: Community Forums
436: Photo Gallery
437: Downloads
438: Community Forums
439: Community Forums
440: Your Account
441: Photo Gallery
442: Community Forums
443: Home
444: Downloads
445: Community Forums
446: Community Forums
447: Downloads
448: Downloads
449: Community Forums
450: Community Forums
451: Community Forums
452: Photo Gallery
453: Community Forums
454: Home
455: Downloads
456: Community Forums
457: Community Forums
458: Community Forums
459: Photo Gallery
460: Community Forums
461: Community Forums
462: Downloads
463: Community Forums
464: Community Forums
465: Downloads
466: Community Forums
467: Search
468: Community Forums
469: Home
470: Your Account
471: Community Forums
472: Photo Gallery
473: Community Forums
474: Community Forums
475: Community Forums
476: Community Forums
477: Home
478: CPGlang
479: Photo Gallery
480: Community Forums
481: Home
482: Home
483: Community Forums
484: Photo Gallery
485: Community Forums
486: Community Forums
487: Home
488: Community Forums
489: Home
490: Your Account
491: Downloads
492: News Archive
493: Home
494: Photo Gallery
495: Community Forums
496: Community Forums
497: Photo Gallery
498: Community Forums
499: Community Forums
500: Photo Gallery
501: Community Forums
502: Community Forums
503: Community Forums
504: Community Forums
505: Downloads
506: Community Forums
507: Community Forums
508: Community Forums
509: Downloads
510: Community Forums
511: Photo Gallery
512: Community Forums
513: Downloads
514: Community Forums
515: Community Forums
516: Photo Gallery
517: Community Forums
518: Photo Gallery
519: Photo Gallery
520: Photo Gallery
521: Photo Gallery
522: Downloads
523: Community Forums
524: Photo Gallery
525: Community Forums
526: Community Forums
527: Community Forums
528: Community Forums
529: Member Screenshots
530: Community Forums
531: Community Forums
532: Statistics
533: Photo Gallery
534: Community Forums
535: Community Forums
536: Community Forums
537: Community Forums
538: Downloads
539: Downloads
540: Home
541: Community Forums
542: Community Forums
543: Member Screenshots
544: Photo Gallery
545: Downloads
546: Photo Gallery
547: News Archive
548: Community Forums
549: Photo Gallery
550: Community Forums
551: Photo Gallery
552: Community Forums
553: Your Account
554: Community Forums
555: Community Forums
556: Community Forums
557: Downloads
558: Community Forums
559: Photo Gallery
560: Community Forums
561: Downloads
562: Community Forums
563: Community Forums
564: Photo Gallery
565: Community Forums
566: Community Forums
567: Home
568: Community Forums
569: Downloads
570: Photo Gallery
571: Statistics
572: Community Forums
573: Community Forums
574: Community Forums
575: Community Forums
576: Community Forums
577: News Archive
578: Photo Gallery
579: Community Forums
580: Home
581: Community Forums
582: Community Forums
583: Community Forums
584: Downloads
585: Community Forums
586: Community Forums
587: Community Forums
588: Community Forums
589: Community Forums
590: Community Forums
591: Home
592: Community Forums
593: Downloads
594: Community Forums
595: Photo Gallery
596: Downloads
597: Community Forums
598: Community Forums
599: Community Forums
600: Downloads
601: Downloads
602: Community Forums
603: Statistics
604: Downloads
605: Community Forums
606: Community Forums
607: Community Forums
608: Community Forums
609: Home
610: Community Forums
611: Photo Gallery
612: Community Forums
613: Statistics
614: Community Forums
615: Downloads
616: Home
617: Home
618: Community Forums
619: Community Forums
620: Community Forums
621: Community Forums
622: Home
623: Downloads
624: Community Forums
625: Photo Gallery
626: Community Forums
627: Community Forums
628: Search
629: Community Forums
630: Community Forums
631: Photo Gallery
632: Community Forums
633: Community Forums
634: Community Forums
635: Community Forums
636: Community Forums
637: Member Screenshots
638: Community Forums
639: Photo Gallery
640: Community Forums
641: Community Forums
642: Community Forums
643: Photo Gallery
644: Community Forums
645: Downloads
646: Community Forums
647: Community Forums
648: Community Forums
649: Community Forums
650: Community Forums
651: Home
652: Community Forums
653: Home
654: Community Forums
655: Your Account
656: Home
657: Community Forums
658: Photo Gallery
659: Photo Gallery
660: Community Forums
661: Community Forums
662: Home
663: Community Forums
664: Community Forums
665: Downloads
666: Community Forums
667: Downloads
668: Community Forums
669: Photo Gallery
670: Downloads
671: Photo Gallery
672: Community Forums
673: Community Forums
674: Photo Gallery
675: Community Forums
676: Photo Gallery
677: Photo Gallery
678: Community Forums
679: Community Forums
680: Community Forums
681: Downloads
682: Downloads
683: Community Forums
684: Community Forums
685: Community Forums
686: Community Forums
687: Community Forums
688: Statistics
689: Community Forums
690: Statistics
691: Community Forums
692: Community Forums
693: Member Screenshots
694: Community Forums
695: Photo Gallery
696: Community Forums
697: Your Account
698: Community Forums
699: Community Forums
700: Community Forums
701: Community Forums
702: Photo Gallery
703: Community Forums
704: Your Account
705: Home
706: Photo Gallery
707: Community Forums
708: Downloads
709: Your Account
710: Photo Gallery
711: Community Forums
712: Community Forums
713: Photo Gallery
714: Community Forums
715: Photo Gallery
716: Community Forums
717: Community Forums
718: Community Forums
719: Community Forums
720: Home
721: Downloads
722: Photo Gallery
723: Home
724: Community Forums
725: Downloads
726: Community Forums
727: Community Forums
728: Community Forums
729: Photo Gallery

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
ID Help
A forum dedicated for the discussion of all kinds of artillery topics.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  Artillery Forum

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
vagabond
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Dec 05, 2009
Posts: 1388
Location: Constantly moving across US
PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:52 am
Post subject: ID Help

Hello All,

Found these 2 pieces in Marietta, OH. What are they?
Thanks!





Cheers!
VB
Back to top
View user's profile
JiriTintera
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jun 21, 2007
Posts: 218
Location: Prague, Czech Republic
PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:43 am
Post subject: Re: ID Help

Dear Colleague,
I assume that this is a Japanese 105mm howitzer type 91. Certainty eight out of ten.



P. S.
A similar appearance has howitzer Schneider.



Photo source: War Memorials of Menasha & Neenah, Wisconsin
warmemorials.us/artill...105mm.html
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:38 pm
Post subject: Re: ID Help

Great catch Jiri!
There was something familiar with this pieces, but I failed to recognize it. Now I realized there are similarities with the italian 105/28 mod. 1913, since they are both based on a Schneider design.

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
CharlieC
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 24, 2012
Posts: 58

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:27 pm
Post subject: Re: ID Help

The French Canon de 105 L Schneider Mle 1913 TR, Italian Cannone 105/28 and Russian 107mm M1910 are variations on the same gun design by Schneider. (http://landships.info/landships/artillery_articles.html?load=/landships/artillery_articles/Schneider_105L_M1913.html).
The Schneider 105mm had a S-curved gun shield which wrapped around in front of the wheels - none of the guns above have this. Also the Schneider had a box trail unlike the split trail of the Marietta guns.

An image of the breech markings of the guns at Marietta would solve this in seconds.


Regards,

Charlie

_________________
landships.info
Back to top
View user's profile
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:32 pm
Post subject: Re: ID Help

From what I can see, they should be japanese type 91. But I am not familiar with japanese artillery.
Don't you think they are type 91 charlie?

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
JG300-Ascout
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 05, 2005
Posts: 6257
Location: Cyberspace
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:00 pm
Post subject: Re: ID Help

All I can offer is that compared to the other two pieces, I'd say those Ohioans need to get their butts out there and give those guns some TLC. Wink

If they can keep one looking like that in Wisconsin, then Ohio has no excuse!

_________________
"All facts go to clearly prove that Shades is a thrice-cursed traitor & mentally deranged person steeped in inveterate enmity toward mankind"
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
armyjunk2
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 22, 2006
Posts: 1416

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:45 pm
Post subject: Re: ID Help

Marietta, OH also has a Japanese 75mm Type 38 downtown at the Armory.
Back to top
View user's profile
vagabond
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Dec 05, 2009
Posts: 1388
Location: Constantly moving across US
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:53 pm
Post subject: Re: ID Help

Hi All -
Thanks for all the info!!

More photos to clinch the ID

Breech detail Cannon 1


Close up - Now I can see the Japanese characters


Breech Detail Cannon 2


Cannon 2 close up


So these are a pair of Japanese 105mm Type 91 - correct?
Back to top
View user's profile
CharlieC
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 24, 2012
Posts: 58

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:19 pm
Post subject: Re: ID Help

Without an image of the breech markings one can't be certain but they look like Japanese Type 91 howitzers.

Edit: crossed post - definitely Japanese the number 1029 is flanked by Kanji characters. I'll try to get a translation of these. If it's a Type 91 there should be two lines of Kanji script just in front of the breech block on the top of the barrel.

It's probably worth a bit of research on the 105mm Schneider design - I've read that the Polish Army had 105mm Schneiders with split trails like the Type 91 called the Wz.29 - I don't know if that was a Schneider or Polish design.

Which Type 38 do they have at Marietta? - there were two types. The early one is a licence built Krupp 75mm export gun. The Type 38 Kai was extensively rebuilt with a box trail, equilibrators and rear positioned trunnions.

Regards,

Charlie

_________________
landships.info
Back to top
View user's profile
armyjunk2
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 22, 2006
Posts: 1416

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:44 pm
Post subject: Re: ID Help

the first 2 are Japanese Type 91 howitzers. and this is the Type38



Back to top
View user's profile
CharlieC
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 24, 2012
Posts: 58

PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:20 am
Post subject: Re: ID Help

Definitely a Type 38 - the simple trail and lack of equilibrators is pretty diagnostic. The gun number and build date are on an oval brass plate on top of the breech block. The script on the breech ring says something like "Type 38 field gun" at the top and "Manufactured at Osaka Arsenal" at the bottom. I can translate the markings if you can get images of them.

Regards,

Charlie

_________________
landships.info
Back to top
View user's profile
CharlieC
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 24, 2012
Posts: 58

PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:48 am
Post subject: Re: ID Help

The Kanji characters on the rear of the breech are the labels for the trigger assembly position (see attached).

Regards,

Charlie

_________________
landships.info
Back to top
View user's profile
vagabond
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Dec 05, 2009
Posts: 1388
Location: Constantly moving across US
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:15 am
Post subject: Re: ID Help

How Cool!!!

Thanks everyone for the education and info!

Cheers,
VB
Back to top
View user's profile
armyjunk2
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 22, 2006
Posts: 1416

PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:51 pm
Post subject: Re: ID Help

Here is a pic of a Schneider 105mm captured from the Japanese. This is a Schneider not the Japanese copy.

Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  Artillery Forum
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum