±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 635
Total: 635
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Home
03: Photo Gallery
04: Home
05: Photo Gallery
06: Photo Gallery
07: Photo Gallery
08: Home
09: Community Forums
10: Community Forums
11: Community Forums
12: Downloads
13: Home
14: Photo Gallery
15: Photo Gallery
16: Contact
17: Community Forums
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: Contact
22: Downloads
23: Home
24: Member Screenshots
25: Photo Gallery
26: Photo Gallery
27: Community Forums
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Community Forums
32: Community Forums
33: Photo Gallery
34: Home
35: Downloads
36: Home
37: Community Forums
38: Home
39: Community Forums
40: Community Forums
41: News Archive
42: Community Forums
43: Home
44: Community Forums
45: Photo Gallery
46: Community Forums
47: Community Forums
48: Community Forums
49: Community Forums
50: Community Forums
51: Home
52: Member Screenshots
53: Your Account
54: Home
55: Photo Gallery
56: Community Forums
57: Home
58: Downloads
59: Photo Gallery
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Downloads
64: Home
65: Community Forums
66: Member Screenshots
67: Home
68: Community Forums
69: Downloads
70: Photo Gallery
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Downloads
77: Photo Gallery
78: Community Forums
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Home
83: Community Forums
84: Photo Gallery
85: Community Forums
86: Community Forums
87: Community Forums
88: Community Forums
89: Your Account
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: Downloads
96: Community Forums
97: Home
98: Community Forums
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Community Forums
102: Community Forums
103: Photo Gallery
104: CPGlang
105: Member Screenshots
106: Photo Gallery
107: Community Forums
108: Photo Gallery
109: Photo Gallery
110: Downloads
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Photo Gallery
114: Photo Gallery
115: Downloads
116: Home
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: Community Forums
121: Statistics
122: Community Forums
123: CPGlang
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: News
128: Community Forums
129: Community Forums
130: Home
131: Downloads
132: Community Forums
133: Community Forums
134: Home
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: CPGlang
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Downloads
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Community Forums
145: Statistics
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: Statistics
151: Community Forums
152: Community Forums
153: Photo Gallery
154: Community Forums
155: Photo Gallery
156: Community Forums
157: Community Forums
158: Photo Gallery
159: Community Forums
160: Community Forums
161: Community Forums
162: Home
163: Home
164: Community Forums
165: Home
166: Community Forums
167: Community Forums
168: Photo Gallery
169: Photo Gallery
170: Community Forums
171: Community Forums
172: Community Forums
173: Community Forums
174: Community Forums
175: News Archive
176: Community Forums
177: Member Screenshots
178: Community Forums
179: Community Forums
180: Statistics
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: Downloads
184: Community Forums
185: Photo Gallery
186: Community Forums
187: Photo Gallery
188: Photo Gallery
189: Search
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: Home
193: Photo Gallery
194: Community Forums
195: Community Forums
196: Photo Gallery
197: Community Forums
198: Photo Gallery
199: Member Screenshots
200: Community Forums
201: Photo Gallery
202: Community Forums
203: Community Forums
204: Home
205: Home
206: Downloads
207: Home
208: Community Forums
209: Community Forums
210: Community Forums
211: Photo Gallery
212: Community Forums
213: Photo Gallery
214: Photo Gallery
215: Community Forums
216: Community Forums
217: Member Screenshots
218: Your Account
219: Photo Gallery
220: Community Forums
221: Home
222: Photo Gallery
223: Community Forums
224: Member Screenshots
225: Community Forums
226: Community Forums
227: Community Forums
228: Community Forums
229: Community Forums
230: Community Forums
231: Community Forums
232: Community Forums
233: Community Forums
234: Community Forums
235: Community Forums
236: Community Forums
237: Downloads
238: Community Forums
239: Community Forums
240: Community Forums
241: Community Forums
242: Community Forums
243: Community Forums
244: Community Forums
245: Home
246: Photo Gallery
247: Home
248: Community Forums
249: Photo Gallery
250: Downloads
251: Downloads
252: Community Forums
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums
256: Home
257: Community Forums
258: Photo Gallery
259: Community Forums
260: Community Forums
261: Community Forums
262: Home
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Community Forums
266: Photo Gallery
267: Community Forums
268: Downloads
269: Community Forums
270: Home
271: Photo Gallery
272: Photo Gallery
273: Community Forums
274: Community Forums
275: Downloads
276: Home
277: Community Forums
278: Photo Gallery
279: Member Screenshots
280: Community Forums
281: Community Forums
282: Community Forums
283: Community Forums
284: Community Forums
285: Photo Gallery
286: Community Forums
287: Community Forums
288: Community Forums
289: Downloads
290: Photo Gallery
291: Community Forums
292: Home
293: Community Forums
294: Community Forums
295: Community Forums
296: Community Forums
297: Community Forums
298: Community Forums
299: Community Forums
300: Photo Gallery
301: Community Forums
302: Photo Gallery
303: Community Forums
304: Community Forums
305: Community Forums
306: Community Forums
307: Photo Gallery
308: Community Forums
309: Community Forums
310: Home
311: Community Forums
312: Member Screenshots
313: Downloads
314: Community Forums
315: Community Forums
316: Photo Gallery
317: Photo Gallery
318: Community Forums
319: Community Forums
320: Photo Gallery
321: Home
322: Photo Gallery
323: Home
324: Photo Gallery
325: Photo Gallery
326: Community Forums
327: Photo Gallery
328: Home
329: Community Forums
330: Statistics
331: Community Forums
332: Home
333: Community Forums
334: Photo Gallery
335: Photo Gallery
336: Community Forums
337: Your Account
338: Community Forums
339: Community Forums
340: Community Forums
341: Home
342: Community Forums
343: Community Forums
344: Downloads
345: Community Forums
346: Your Account
347: Community Forums
348: Community Forums
349: Community Forums
350: Community Forums
351: Downloads
352: Community Forums
353: Member Screenshots
354: Community Forums
355: CPGlang
356: Statistics
357: Community Forums
358: Community Forums
359: Community Forums
360: Photo Gallery
361: Photo Gallery
362: Community Forums
363: Photo Gallery
364: Community Forums
365: Photo Gallery
366: Photo Gallery
367: Community Forums
368: Community Forums
369: Community Forums
370: Home
371: Photo Gallery
372: Community Forums
373: Community Forums
374: Community Forums
375: Member Screenshots
376: Home
377: Community Forums
378: Community Forums
379: Community Forums
380: Community Forums
381: Home
382: Community Forums
383: Community Forums
384: Community Forums
385: CPGlang
386: Downloads
387: Photo Gallery
388: Photo Gallery
389: Community Forums
390: Community Forums
391: Downloads
392: Home
393: Home
394: Your Account
395: Photo Gallery
396: Community Forums
397: Your Account
398: Community Forums
399: Community Forums
400: Photo Gallery
401: Home
402: Photo Gallery
403: Home
404: Community Forums
405: Your Account
406: Downloads
407: Community Forums
408: Home
409: Community Forums
410: Community Forums
411: Community Forums
412: Community Forums
413: Community Forums
414: Member Screenshots
415: Home
416: Community Forums
417: Member Screenshots
418: Community Forums
419: Community Forums
420: Home
421: Community Forums
422: Statistics
423: Community Forums
424: Community Forums
425: CPGlang
426: Community Forums
427: Community Forums
428: Community Forums
429: Home
430: Community Forums
431: Community Forums
432: Downloads
433: Downloads
434: Home
435: Downloads
436: Photo Gallery
437: Community Forums
438: Community Forums
439: Community Forums
440: Community Forums
441: Community Forums
442: Home
443: Community Forums
444: Home
445: Photo Gallery
446: Community Forums
447: Downloads
448: News Archive
449: Photo Gallery
450: Community Forums
451: Community Forums
452: Community Forums
453: Photo Gallery
454: Community Forums
455: Photo Gallery
456: Photo Gallery
457: Photo Gallery
458: Home
459: Photo Gallery
460: Community Forums
461: Photo Gallery
462: Community Forums
463: Community Forums
464: Community Forums
465: Community Forums
466: Community Forums
467: Photo Gallery
468: Downloads
469: Photo Gallery
470: Community Forums
471: Community Forums
472: Community Forums
473: Community Forums
474: Community Forums
475: Home
476: Community Forums
477: Community Forums
478: Photo Gallery
479: Community Forums
480: Community Forums
481: Community Forums
482: Community Forums
483: Home
484: Your Account
485: Photo Gallery
486: Community Forums
487: Community Forums
488: Community Forums
489: Community Forums
490: Home
491: CPGlang
492: Community Forums
493: Home
494: Community Forums
495: Community Forums
496: Home
497: Community Forums
498: Photo Gallery
499: Photo Gallery
500: Home
501: CPGlang
502: Community Forums
503: Community Forums
504: Community Forums
505: Community Forums
506: Photo Gallery
507: Photo Gallery
508: Photo Gallery
509: Community Forums
510: CPGlang
511: Community Forums
512: Home
513: Photo Gallery
514: Community Forums
515: Photo Gallery
516: Community Forums
517: Community Forums
518: Community Forums
519: Downloads
520: Photo Gallery
521: Community Forums
522: Photo Gallery
523: Community Forums
524: Photo Gallery
525: Community Forums
526: Community Forums
527: Photo Gallery
528: Photo Gallery
529: Home
530: Member Screenshots
531: Community Forums
532: Community Forums
533: Photo Gallery
534: Community Forums
535: Community Forums
536: Photo Gallery
537: Community Forums
538: Community Forums
539: Community Forums
540: Home
541: Community Forums
542: Community Forums
543: Home
544: Photo Gallery
545: Community Forums
546: Community Forums
547: Community Forums
548: Community Forums
549: Community Forums
550: Community Forums
551: Community Forums
552: Community Forums
553: Community Forums
554: Home
555: Community Forums
556: Community Forums
557: Downloads
558: Photo Gallery
559: Photo Gallery
560: Home
561: Photo Gallery
562: Photo Gallery
563: Community Forums
564: Home
565: Photo Gallery
566: Home
567: Community Forums
568: Community Forums
569: Photo Gallery
570: Community Forums
571: Photo Gallery
572: Photo Gallery
573: Downloads
574: Photo Gallery
575: Community Forums
576: Community Forums
577: Home
578: Community Forums
579: CPGlang
580: Home
581: News Archive
582: Home
583: Your Account
584: Photo Gallery
585: Member Screenshots
586: Community Forums
587: Community Forums
588: Community Forums
589: Community Forums
590: Community Forums
591: Home
592: Community Forums
593: Your Account
594: Community Forums
595: Search
596: Search
597: Community Forums
598: Community Forums
599: Community Forums
600: Community Forums
601: Photo Gallery
602: Community Forums
603: Community Forums
604: News
605: Community Forums
606: Home
607: Member Screenshots
608: Your Account
609: Community Forums
610: Community Forums
611: Community Forums
612: Community Forums
613: Community Forums
614: Community Forums
615: Community Forums
616: Photo Gallery
617: Community Forums
618: Community Forums
619: Photo Gallery
620: Member Screenshots
621: Community Forums
622: Community Forums
623: Community Forums
624: Community Forums
625: Community Forums
626: Community Forums
627: CPGlang
628: Community Forums
629: Your Account
630: Community Forums
631: Community Forums
632: Community Forums
633: Home
634: Community Forums
635: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Recovered history
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
C_Sherman
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 590

PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:32 am
Post subject: Recovered history

Hi,

Recently we recovered about 1200 slides from my father's house, before he could "clean up" and decide that nobody wanted them. We had them scanned, and discovered a treasure trove of family and military history. I thought you guys would enjoy seeing some of these.

D Co, 3/37AR conducted for tank gunnery in Germany, about 1959. These are M48A1s that still have the tensioning idler at the rear, and with the jettisonable fuel racks on the back. We believe that Dad was a Platoon Leader with D Co. at the time. 3/37AR was based in Schweinfurt, so this is most likely a range Grafenwoehr, although Dad has talked about using ranges at Hoehn or something like that.

www.com-central.net/in...fullsize=1

www.com-central.net/in...fullsize=1

www.com-central.net/in...fullsize=1

Railhead operations, most likely either before or after the gunnery cycle shown above.

www.com-central.net/in...fullsize=1

www.com-central.net/in...fullsize=1

www.com-central.net/in...fullsize=1

I believe that this is Dad's mount around that time:

www.com-central.net/in...fullsize=1

Probably in early 1960, the battalion participated in winter exercises:

www.com-central.net/in...fullsize=1

www.com-central.net/in...fullsize=1

Sometime just before he left Germany in mid-1962, the battalion received new M60 tanks. These appear to to be early issued models, as they still have the external commander's MG on the cupola. Of course as soon as you take them to the field, some joe is going to drive in the mud...

www.com-central.net/in...fullsize=1

www.com-central.net/in...fullsize=1

www.com-central.net/in...fullsize=1

I hope you enjoy seeing these as much as I did. We still have thousands of negatives to sort and print, so there will probably be more later.

Chuck

_________________
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it
will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.
-Herm Albright

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc!
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
C_Sherman
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 590

PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:35 am
Post subject: Re: Recovered history

I guess I've forgotten how to make the pictures actually show in my post. Sorry!

_________________
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it
will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.
-Herm Albright

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc!
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Rick_Eshleman
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 26, 2011
Posts: 908
Location: Lewes, Delaware, USA
PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:26 am
Post subject: Re: Recovered history

Chuck,
Thanks for sharing your Dad's photos! They are good views of his unit and of historic value. I enjoyed looking at them, look forward to seeing more. Rick
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail AIM Address Photo Gallery
Pzkpfw-e
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jul 21, 2010
Posts: 1202

PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:17 pm
Post subject: Re: Recovered history

Treasure trove!
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:56 pm
Post subject: Re: Recovered history

Awesome stuff, Chuck. Please post more!

Is that your dad in the pic with the 1st Sgt. and recovery vehicle and APC on the train? Love those Ridgeway caps (NOT!) Laughing

If this was '59, then it was just 12 years prior to my service, and on very similar models (M48A2C's, I think). Never did Germany as a G.I., but often as a civvie.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
toadmanstankpictures
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 704

PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:12 pm
Post subject: Re: Recovered history

Fantastic pics!

_________________
Chris "toadman" Hughes
www.toadmanstankpictures.com
www.cafepress.com/toad...ksandstuff
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
C_Sherman
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 590

PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:15 am
Post subject: Re: Recovered history

- Doug_Kibbey
Awesome stuff, Chuck. Please post more!

Is that your dad in the pic with the 1st Sgt. and recovery vehicle and APC on the train? Love those Ridgeway caps (NOT!) Laughing

If this was '59, then it was just 12 years prior to my service, and on very similar models (M48A2C's, I think). Never did Germany as a G.I., but often as a civvie.


Nope, Dad was a skinny little s*** back then, no belly...yet. I have a few pics of him in uniform, including one that looks like a selfie from the tower at that range. I'll post it later. He looks so, so young...

BTW, did anyone recognize that range? I'm curious about where it is.

C

_________________
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it
will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.
-Herm Albright

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc!
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:39 am
Post subject: Re: Recovered history

- C_Sherman
- Doug_Kibbey
Awesome stuff, Chuck. Please post more!

Is that your dad in the pic with the 1st Sgt. and recovery vehicle and APC on the train? Love those Ridgeway caps (NOT!) Laughing

If this was '59, then it was just 12 years prior to my service, and on very similar models (M48A2C's, I think). Never did Germany as a G.I., but often as a civvie.


Nope, Dad was a skinny little s*** back then, no belly...yet. I have a few pics of him in uniform, including one that looks like a selfie from the tower at that range. I'll post it later. He looks so, so young...

BTW, did anyone recognize that range? I'm curious about where it is.

C


I've forwarded your pics to a retired O-6 who was a CO of mine in VN asking that very question (he had Germany time in armor before his first tour with SF). Waiting for reply.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
vw82
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Aug 28, 2012
Posts: 46

PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:07 am
Post subject: Re: Recovered history

Wonderful photos!
In the first photo of the railhead operations there is a civilian lunch wagon serving the troops.
If you can enlarge that area of the photo enough you can perhaps make out the operators name & licence plate & tell where its registrated. Therefore the area and range location.
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:05 pm
Post subject: Re: Recovered history

Chuck, from someone who was there in '59, FWIW:

"Unclear to me whether ranges were at Graf or Baumholder. Hohenfels did not have main gun ranges in 1959, and I'm not sure if units were using Wildflicken.
My unit only used Graf for tank firing, and my recollection was that firing infrastructure was gravel and more austere."
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
WimD.
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 11, 2007
Posts: 118
Location: The Netherlands
PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:38 pm
Post subject: Re: Recovered history

4D Co, 3/37AR conducted for tank gunnery in Germany, about 1959. These are M48A1s that still have the tensioning idler at the rear, and with the jettisonable fuel racks on the back. We believe that Dad was a Platoon Leader with D Co. at the time. 3/37AR was based in Schweinfurt, so this is most likely a range Grafenwoehr, although Dad has talked about using ranges at Hoehn or something like that.

Chuck[/quote]

Hi Chuck,

I think your father was talking about Hohne, from the Bergen-Hohne Training area: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ining_Area

It is the largest training area in Germany.

Regards,
Wim.
Back to top
View user's profile
Geoff_walden
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 26, 2006
Posts: 133

PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:06 pm
Post subject: Re: Recovered history

Those are GREAT pics, Chuck - thanks! To me, it looks more like Graf than Bergen-Hohne (I was just at Bergen-Hohne last week ... I had not realized that BAOR troops are still stationed there - nice folks to visitors). It's not Wildflecken - too flat. Not sure if units from Schweinfurt ever went to Baumholder ... not while I was stationed there, anyway (which was many years after your father's pics were taken).

Look at all that ammo to blow downrange ... wow.

It looks like MAYBE there is an Edelweiss logo on the back of the "gut truck" at the railhead ... maybe ... if true, that would point more toward Graf than Bergen-Hohne up in the north.

Geoff
Back to top
View user's profile
WimD.
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 11, 2007
Posts: 118
Location: The Netherlands
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:22 pm
Post subject: Re: Recovered history

[i]To me, it It looks like MAYBE there is an Edelweiss logo on the back of the "gut truck" at the railhead ... maybe ... if true, that would point more toward Graf than Bergen-Hohne up in the north.

Geoff[/quote]

[/i]

Hi,

An Edelweiss logo or a palm tree (with text "Bali")?

Regards,
Wim.
Back to top
View user's profile
C_Sherman
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 590

PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:01 am
Post subject: Re: Recovered history

- WimD.
4D Co, 3/37AR conducted for tank gunnery in Germany, about 1959. These are M48A1s that still have the tensioning idler at the rear, and with the jettisonable fuel racks on the back. We believe that Dad was a Platoon Leader with D Co. at the time. 3/37AR was based in Schweinfurt, so this is most likely a range Grafenwoehr, although Dad has talked about using ranges at Hoehn or something like that.

Chuck


Hi Chuck,

I think your father was talking about Hohne, from the Bergen-Hohne Training area: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ining_Area

It is the largest training area in Germany.

Regards,
Wim.[/quote]

I think you are right. We found a bunch more slides(!), and some of them had notes on them. One of the series at the range is labelled "Bergen 1960", which fits.

C

_________________
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it
will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.
-Herm Albright

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc!
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum