±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 629
Total: 629
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Community Forums
03: Photo Gallery
04: Photo Gallery
05: Home
06: Community Forums
07: Community Forums
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Community Forums
11: Community Forums
12: Home
13: Community Forums
14: Photo Gallery
15: Home
16: Photo Gallery
17: Community Forums
18: Home
19: CPGlang
20: Community Forums
21: CPGlang
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Photo Gallery
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Community Forums
32: Photo Gallery
33: Community Forums
34: CPGlang
35: Photo Gallery
36: Community Forums
37: CPGlang
38: Photo Gallery
39: Community Forums
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: News
45: Community Forums
46: Photo Gallery
47: Community Forums
48: Community Forums
49: Member Screenshots
50: Photo Gallery
51: Home
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Home
57: Community Forums
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: Home
67: Member Screenshots
68: Photo Gallery
69: Photo Gallery
70: Home
71: Member Screenshots
72: Community Forums
73: Your Account
74: Downloads
75: Community Forums
76: Home
77: Community Forums
78: Community Forums
79: Home
80: Community Forums
81: Photo Gallery
82: Community Forums
83: Photo Gallery
84: Statistics
85: Community Forums
86: Photo Gallery
87: Community Forums
88: Community Forums
89: Photo Gallery
90: Home
91: Community Forums
92: Home
93: Photo Gallery
94: Community Forums
95: Home
96: Home
97: Community Forums
98: Community Forums
99: Home
100: Community Forums
101: Photo Gallery
102: Home
103: Community Forums
104: Home
105: Community Forums
106: Downloads
107: Photo Gallery
108: Photo Gallery
109: Downloads
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Statistics
114: Downloads
115: Home
116: Downloads
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Home
120: Home
121: Community Forums
122: Community Forums
123: Community Forums
124: Downloads
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Community Forums
129: Community Forums
130: Community Forums
131: Community Forums
132: Member Screenshots
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: Community Forums
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: CPGlang
143: Community Forums
144: Community Forums
145: Community Forums
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Community Forums
149: Photo Gallery
150: Photo Gallery
151: Community Forums
152: Community Forums
153: Photo Gallery
154: Community Forums
155: Photo Gallery
156: Community Forums
157: Home
158: Photo Gallery
159: Photo Gallery
160: Community Forums
161: Community Forums
162: Community Forums
163: Community Forums
164: Downloads
165: Community Forums
166: Downloads
167: Photo Gallery
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Community Forums
172: Home
173: Community Forums
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Community Forums
177: Community Forums
178: Community Forums
179: Downloads
180: Community Forums
181: Photo Gallery
182: Community Forums
183: Community Forums
184: Community Forums
185: Community Forums
186: Community Forums
187: Home
188: Community Forums
189: Community Forums
190: Community Forums
191: Downloads
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: Photo Gallery
195: Community Forums
196: Community Forums
197: Home
198: Community Forums
199: Community Forums
200: Community Forums
201: Photo Gallery
202: Your Account
203: Photo Gallery
204: Photo Gallery
205: Photo Gallery
206: Members List
207: Community Forums
208: Community Forums
209: Home
210: Community Forums
211: Community Forums
212: Photo Gallery
213: Community Forums
214: Downloads
215: Community Forums
216: Home
217: Downloads
218: Community Forums
219: Community Forums
220: Community Forums
221: Community Forums
222: Photo Gallery
223: Community Forums
224: Downloads
225: Community Forums
226: Photo Gallery
227: Community Forums
228: Home
229: Community Forums
230: News
231: Photo Gallery
232: Community Forums
233: Photo Gallery
234: Community Forums
235: Community Forums
236: Community Forums
237: Downloads
238: Community Forums
239: Community Forums
240: Home
241: Community Forums
242: Downloads
243: Community Forums
244: Community Forums
245: Community Forums
246: Community Forums
247: Community Forums
248: Community Forums
249: Community Forums
250: Community Forums
251: Home
252: Home
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: CPGlang
256: Community Forums
257: Community Forums
258: Downloads
259: Community Forums
260: Downloads
261: Photo Gallery
262: Photo Gallery
263: Community Forums
264: Photo Gallery
265: Community Forums
266: Community Forums
267: CPGlang
268: Home
269: Community Forums
270: Community Forums
271: Photo Gallery
272: Home
273: Community Forums
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: Home
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: Home
280: Community Forums
281: Community Forums
282: Home
283: Home
284: Home
285: Community Forums
286: Community Forums
287: Community Forums
288: Community Forums
289: Community Forums
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Community Forums
293: Downloads
294: Community Forums
295: Home
296: Community Forums
297: Community Forums
298: Community Forums
299: Community Forums
300: Community Forums
301: Community Forums
302: Photo Gallery
303: Downloads
304: Community Forums
305: Home
306: Downloads
307: Community Forums
308: Community Forums
309: Community Forums
310: Community Forums
311: Photo Gallery
312: Photo Gallery
313: Your Account
314: Community Forums
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: Community Forums
318: Community Forums
319: Community Forums
320: Community Forums
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums
323: Community Forums
324: News
325: Photo Gallery
326: Photo Gallery
327: Community Forums
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: Community Forums
331: Community Forums
332: Downloads
333: Community Forums
334: Photo Gallery
335: Community Forums
336: Community Forums
337: Photo Gallery
338: Home
339: Community Forums
340: Community Forums
341: Photo Gallery
342: Downloads
343: Home
344: Community Forums
345: Community Forums
346: Community Forums
347: Photo Gallery
348: Community Forums
349: Downloads
350: Community Forums
351: Community Forums
352: Community Forums
353: Home
354: News
355: Community Forums
356: Community Forums
357: Community Forums
358: Community Forums
359: Community Forums
360: Home
361: Community Forums
362: Community Forums
363: Photo Gallery
364: Community Forums
365: Community Forums
366: Community Forums
367: Community Forums
368: Photo Gallery
369: Community Forums
370: Photo Gallery
371: Community Forums
372: Photo Gallery
373: Community Forums
374: Member Screenshots
375: Photo Gallery
376: Home
377: Community Forums
378: Home
379: Community Forums
380: Member Screenshots
381: Community Forums
382: Community Forums
383: Photo Gallery
384: Community Forums
385: Photo Gallery
386: Community Forums
387: Photo Gallery
388: Community Forums
389: Community Forums
390: Statistics
391: Downloads
392: Community Forums
393: Downloads
394: Community Forums
395: Community Forums
396: Community Forums
397: Downloads
398: Community Forums
399: Community Forums
400: Community Forums
401: Community Forums
402: Community Forums
403: Community Forums
404: Community Forums
405: Community Forums
406: Community Forums
407: Community Forums
408: Photo Gallery
409: Community Forums
410: Community Forums
411: Downloads
412: Community Forums
413: Photo Gallery
414: Photo Gallery
415: Community Forums
416: Community Forums
417: Community Forums
418: Community Forums
419: Photo Gallery
420: Downloads
421: Community Forums
422: Community Forums
423: Community Forums
424: Community Forums
425: Community Forums
426: Community Forums
427: Community Forums
428: Community Forums
429: Community Forums
430: Community Forums
431: Photo Gallery
432: Community Forums
433: Community Forums
434: Photo Gallery
435: Community Forums
436: Community Forums
437: Home
438: CPGlang
439: Downloads
440: Community Forums
441: Community Forums
442: Your Account
443: Downloads
444: Photo Gallery
445: News
446: Community Forums
447: Home
448: Community Forums
449: Your Account
450: Community Forums
451: CPGlang
452: Community Forums
453: Community Forums
454: Community Forums
455: Community Forums
456: Community Forums
457: Community Forums
458: Photo Gallery
459: Community Forums
460: Community Forums
461: Community Forums
462: Home
463: Home
464: Downloads
465: Community Forums
466: Community Forums
467: Community Forums
468: Photo Gallery
469: Community Forums
470: Community Forums
471: CPGlang
472: Community Forums
473: Community Forums
474: Community Forums
475: Photo Gallery
476: Community Forums
477: Community Forums
478: CPGlang
479: Community Forums
480: Community Forums
481: Community Forums
482: Community Forums
483: Community Forums
484: Community Forums
485: Community Forums
486: Community Forums
487: Community Forums
488: Community Forums
489: Community Forums
490: Home
491: Community Forums
492: Downloads
493: Community Forums
494: Home
495: Downloads
496: Photo Gallery
497: Downloads
498: Home
499: Community Forums
500: Community Forums
501: Community Forums
502: Downloads
503: Home
504: Community Forums
505: Community Forums
506: Community Forums
507: Home
508: Community Forums
509: Community Forums
510: Community Forums
511: Community Forums
512: Photo Gallery
513: Photo Gallery
514: Community Forums
515: Statistics
516: Community Forums
517: Community Forums
518: Member Screenshots
519: Photo Gallery
520: Community Forums
521: Community Forums
522: Community Forums
523: Downloads
524: Your Account
525: Community Forums
526: Community Forums
527: Photo Gallery
528: Community Forums
529: Home
530: Community Forums
531: Statistics
532: Community Forums
533: Community Forums
534: Community Forums
535: Your Account
536: Community Forums
537: Community Forums
538: Photo Gallery
539: Downloads
540: Community Forums
541: Photo Gallery
542: Community Forums
543: Community Forums
544: Community Forums
545: Community Forums
546: Community Forums
547: Home
548: Community Forums
549: Photo Gallery
550: Home
551: Community Forums
552: Photo Gallery
553: Photo Gallery
554: Community Forums
555: Photo Gallery
556: Community Forums
557: Downloads
558: Community Forums
559: Photo Gallery
560: Community Forums
561: Community Forums
562: Photo Gallery
563: Photo Gallery
564: Community Forums
565: Your Account
566: Community Forums
567: Community Forums
568: Photo Gallery
569: Community Forums
570: News
571: Photo Gallery
572: Home
573: Home
574: Community Forums
575: Photo Gallery
576: Photo Gallery
577: Your Account
578: Photo Gallery
579: Community Forums
580: Community Forums
581: Community Forums
582: Community Forums
583: Photo Gallery
584: Community Forums
585: Your Account
586: Community Forums
587: Photo Gallery
588: Community Forums
589: Photo Gallery
590: Photo Gallery
591: Community Forums
592: Your Account
593: Photo Gallery
594: Home
595: Community Forums
596: Community Forums
597: Home
598: Photo Gallery
599: Member Screenshots
600: Community Forums
601: Community Forums
602: Community Forums
603: Photo Gallery
604: Community Forums
605: Community Forums
606: Photo Gallery
607: Community Forums
608: Community Forums
609: Community Forums
610: Downloads
611: Community Forums
612: Downloads
613: Community Forums
614: Community Forums
615: Community Forums
616: Community Forums
617: Community Forums
618: Home
619: Downloads
620: Community Forums
621: Your Account
622: Community Forums
623: Home
624: Photo Gallery
625: Home
626: Community Forums
627: Community Forums
628: Photo Gallery
629: Photo Gallery

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Aarrgh!!
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
JG300-Ascout
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 05, 2005
Posts: 6257
Location: Cyberspace
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:41 pm
Post subject: Aarrgh!!

www.defenseindustrydai.../index.php

$101.7M for Overhauls & Upgrades of M113 Family APC Variants
Posted 07-Jul-2005 09:05 | Permanent Link
Related stories: Americas - USA, BAE, Contracts - Awards, Contracts - Modifications, Design Innovations, Engines, Field Reports, Middle East - Israel, New Systems Tech, Other Corporation, Tanks & Mechanized, Warfare - Lessons

M577A2 Command PostBAE Systems Land and Armaments in Anniston, AL received a $90 million firm-fixed-price contract for Overhaul of M577A2, M1068A2, and M1064A2 Armored Personnel Carriers, and upgrade of the same to their A3 Configurations. With the vehicles upgraded under the contract, it will have converted more than 40% of the M113 Family of Vehicles to the A3 configuration.

The M577A2 is an M113 "Gavin" variant with its hull modified for use as a Command Post vehicle. The M1068A2 Standard Integrated Command Post System (SICPS) Carrier is an M577 modified for the next generation of automated command and control through the Army Tactical Command and Control System (ATCCS). About two thirds of the U.S. M577A2 fleet was tasked for to either M1068A3 or M1068 (Basic) configurations. An Operation Iraqi Freedom After-Action Review by the 3rd Infantry Division found that M1068A2s or below had trouble keeping up with the M2 Bradleys and other modern vehicles, and recommended upgrades to the A3 system. The M1064A2 is an M113 variant used as a mortar carrier, armed with an Israeli 120mm Soltam mortar in place of the older 107mm mortar of the M106 series.

Continue reading...

_________________
"All facts go to clearly prove that Shades is a thrice-cursed traitor & mentally deranged person steeped in inveterate enmity toward mankind"
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:21 pm
Post subject: Re: Aarrgh!!

There is such a huge difference between an A2 and an A3 model when it comes to performance. I thought most all A2 had already been converted in line units, with the only ones remaining being the ones at such places as Ft Irwin with the OPFOR. M577's are no fun to traverse rough terrain in, when they are slow as well, it makes it that much more frustrating to be in them. I see the M113 family being around another 20 years with constant upgrades to the powewrplants, drive trains, and communications.

_________________
SFC Jeff Button "High Angle Hell"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:27 pm
Post subject: Re: Aarrgh!!

- SFC_Jeff_Button
I see the M113 family being around another 20 years with constant upgrades to the powewrplants, drive trains, and communications.


Concur. I think the M113 will be the B-52 of armored vehicles....
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Chris_C
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 214
Location: WV, USA
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:17 am
Post subject: Re: Aarrgh!!

- JG300-Ascout
M113 "Gavin"
*twitch*
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website
JG300-Ascout
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 05, 2005
Posts: 6257
Location: Cyberspace
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:25 am
Post subject: Re: Aarrgh!!

- Chris_C
- JG300-Ascout
M113 "Gavin"
*twitch*


Whoa!....I don't care for how that reads at all! Let's say: "DefenseIndustryDaily wrote". Wink

_________________
"All facts go to clearly prove that Shades is a thrice-cursed traitor & mentally deranged person steeped in inveterate enmity toward mankind"
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Chris_C
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 214
Location: WV, USA
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:47 am
Post subject: Re: Aarrgh!!

Heh, I don't blame you for wanting to clarify. Wink
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Jinx
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 186
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:51 am
Post subject: Re: Aarrgh!!

The good people at GlobalSecurity.org don't seem to be quite so "enGavinated", however:

"Initially nick-named "The Green Dragon" by the enemy, the M113 served in all areas of Vietnam throughout the war and was to become one of the most successful armored vehicles of all time. Unlike many other Army vehicles, the M113 does not appear to have acquired an official name or even a widely used nickname. Some advocates have indicated that the M113 is also nicknamed the "Gavin", after an Army general who was influential in the development of the M113 in the 1950s. This is not however, an official designation, and there is some question about the extent to which actual users of the system use this name."

(From : www.globalsecurity.org...d/m113.htm )
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:56 am
Post subject: Re: Aarrgh!!

- Jinx
The good people at GlobalSecurity.org don't seem to be quite so "enGavinated", however:

"there is some question about the extent to which actual users of the system use this name."

(From : www.globalsecurity.org...d/m113.htm )


That would be "none", with any appreciation of the vehicle in it's historical and practical application context.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Jinx
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 186
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:11 am
Post subject: Re: Aarrgh!!

Nowhere in the Wikipedia entry on the M113 does the "G-word" appear, by the way.

And if it ever does.....it won't be long before it is edited out!
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:12 am
Post subject: Re: Aarrgh!!

- Jinx
Nowhere in the Wikipedia entry on the M113 does the "G-word" appear, by the way.

And if it ever does.....it won't be long before it is edited out!


Damn skippy! Wink
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:46 am
Post subject: Re: Aarrgh!!

Hi Folks!

That Defense Magazine is probley getting their info from FAS.org who is carrying that Mike Sparks B.S. The FAS.org is also using Sparks claim that the M8 AGS is called the Buford.

As far as I know, the only name the M8 AGS has is one of the pilot models which was upgraded is being called the 'Thunderbolt' by the builder.

Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:06 am
Post subject: Re: Aarrgh!!

I've always thought a good Cavalry name for a light 'tank' would be the name of Bufords Subordinate at Gettysburg. An Irishman who enlisted in the 1st U.S. Dragoons as a private and quickly rose to Sgt Major (he had prior Service in the British Army as a dragoon) While in teh army he married and he and his wife had 13 (by some accounts 15) children. He was discharged in 1843 and became a Civil Engineer in Chicago.

He was appointed a Lt Col in the 8th Illinois Cavalry in 1861 ( The regiment was raised andcommanded by his friend Congressman John Farnsworth) by 1863 he was commanding the 1st Brigade of Pleasontons Division. He returned to the field after Brandy Station (which he missed) and his brigade was made part of Bufords 1st Cavalry Division.

Hopelessly outnumbered his Brigade held off the Mississippi troops of Hills Corps for about 70 minutes allowing infantry from 1st Corps to form a line. His troops then retired in good order about 250 yards to the rear to the line the Infantry had formed.

A classic use of light forces to allow the main forces to establish a main battle line.

And who was this person?

Colonel William Gamble.

Now what better name for a light armor vehicle than the Gamble?

It's a Gamble that you won't run into something heavier every time you deploy with light armor Smile

_________________
Bob Smart (bsmart@xecu.net)
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:15 am
Post subject: Re: Aarrgh!!

Hi Folks! Crying or Very sad

Well that set me off! Evil or Very Mad I just had to climb on my old horse and charge off at some windmills.

I stopped in a Global Security to check out their info on the M113. It was looking good Smile until I noticed a link to a side story. Sad

That link is titled M113 Gavin vis Stryker. Evil or Very Mad

So I clicked on their little contact box and sent them a VERY nice note about over looking that one little mistake. Hopefully it will be corrected soon. Smile

Stopped by BAE to check out their site. Not a Gavin in sight! Mr. Green

Stopped by the Army Fact File site. Again no Gavins anywhere! Mr. Green

Then went over to that Defense Industry Daily rag sheet! Evil or Very Mad

Sent them a nice and long e-mail! Refered them to the Army's Fact Files, BAE's M113 info pages, and to Global Securtiy's M113 files with a note to look for the paragraft that starts with "The Green Dragon........"

Then I closed with "The use of internet B.S. in your stories and reports only compromises your integrity as a news organizaton. There are a lot of M113s out there and they have been around for a long time. Everyone who has ever been anywhere near one knows the name Gavin does not have any thing to do with this outstanding vehicle."

Never say "Gavin"!

Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:06 pm
Post subject: Re: Aarrgh!!

I'd like to recommend Roy for a citation.....above and beyond and all that.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Jinx
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 186
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:31 pm
Post subject: Re: Aarrgh!!

- Doug_Kibbey
I'd like to recommend Roy for a citation.....above and beyond and all that.



Hear hear!

(And don't forget to write to the easily-misled folks at F.A.S., too!)
Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum