±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 888
Total: 888
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Community Forums
03: Photo Gallery
04: Community Forums
05: Downloads
06: Photo Gallery
07: Home
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Home
11: Community Forums
12: Community Forums
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: Photo Gallery
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: Your Account
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Home
27: Downloads
28: Downloads
29: Downloads
30: Home
31: Community Forums
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: Photo Gallery
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Downloads
38: Home
39: Home
40: Downloads
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Your Account
46: Community Forums
47: Community Forums
48: Community Forums
49: Community Forums
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Home
55: Community Forums
56: Community Forums
57: Community Forums
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Home
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: Your Account
69: Community Forums
70: Community Forums
71: Photo Gallery
72: Photo Gallery
73: Downloads
74: Downloads
75: Statistics
76: Downloads
77: Home
78: Community Forums
79: Home
80: Community Forums
81: Member Screenshots
82: Statistics
83: Community Forums
84: Community Forums
85: Community Forums
86: Community Forums
87: Community Forums
88: Photo Gallery
89: Community Forums
90: Home
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Home
94: Home
95: Downloads
96: Community Forums
97: Community Forums
98: Community Forums
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Photo Gallery
102: Photo Gallery
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: Downloads
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Community Forums
109: Photo Gallery
110: Downloads
111: Downloads
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: Downloads
115: Community Forums
116: Downloads
117: Community Forums
118: Downloads
119: Community Forums
120: Home
121: Community Forums
122: Community Forums
123: Community Forums
124: News Archive
125: Home
126: Home
127: Member Screenshots
128: Community Forums
129: Community Forums
130: Statistics
131: Community Forums
132: Community Forums
133: Community Forums
134: Home
135: Community Forums
136: CPGlang
137: Photo Gallery
138: Home
139: Photo Gallery
140: Member Screenshots
141: Community Forums
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Community Forums
145: Community Forums
146: Community Forums
147: Home
148: Downloads
149: Member Screenshots
150: Photo Gallery
151: CPGlang
152: Community Forums
153: Home
154: Community Forums
155: Downloads
156: Community Forums
157: Community Forums
158: Community Forums
159: Community Forums
160: Community Forums
161: News
162: Community Forums
163: Home
164: Downloads
165: Community Forums
166: Community Forums
167: Downloads
168: CPGlang
169: Community Forums
170: Downloads
171: Community Forums
172: Community Forums
173: Community Forums
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Downloads
177: Community Forums
178: Community Forums
179: Photo Gallery
180: Community Forums
181: Statistics
182: Community Forums
183: Photo Gallery
184: Your Account
185: Community Forums
186: Community Forums
187: Community Forums
188: Community Forums
189: Downloads
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: Photo Gallery
193: Community Forums
194: Home
195: Community Forums
196: Community Forums
197: Community Forums
198: Downloads
199: Community Forums
200: Community Forums
201: Home
202: Community Forums
203: Community Forums
204: Community Forums
205: Community Forums
206: Home
207: Photo Gallery
208: Downloads
209: Community Forums
210: Community Forums
211: Community Forums
212: Photo Gallery
213: Downloads
214: Community Forums
215: Downloads
216: Photo Gallery
217: Community Forums
218: Photo Gallery
219: Community Forums
220: Downloads
221: Home
222: Community Forums
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Community Forums
227: Community Forums
228: Photo Gallery
229: Community Forums
230: Community Forums
231: CPGlang
232: Community Forums
233: Photo Gallery
234: Photo Gallery
235: CPGlang
236: Community Forums
237: Member Screenshots
238: Member Screenshots
239: Downloads
240: Community Forums
241: Community Forums
242: News
243: Photo Gallery
244: Community Forums
245: Community Forums
246: Community Forums
247: Community Forums
248: Home
249: Community Forums
250: Photo Gallery
251: Home
252: Community Forums
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Home
256: Downloads
257: Community Forums
258: Community Forums
259: Community Forums
260: Community Forums
261: Home
262: Home
263: Downloads
264: Photo Gallery
265: Community Forums
266: Downloads
267: Community Forums
268: Community Forums
269: Downloads
270: Community Forums
271: Photo Gallery
272: Community Forums
273: Community Forums
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Photo Gallery
279: Community Forums
280: Community Forums
281: Community Forums
282: Community Forums
283: News
284: CPGlang
285: Community Forums
286: Community Forums
287: Home
288: Downloads
289: Community Forums
290: Downloads
291: Community Forums
292: Community Forums
293: Community Forums
294: Photo Gallery
295: Downloads
296: Community Forums
297: CPGlang
298: Community Forums
299: Community Forums
300: Community Forums
301: Photo Gallery
302: CPGlang
303: Community Forums
304: Community Forums
305: Photo Gallery
306: Community Forums
307: Community Forums
308: CPGlang
309: Community Forums
310: Community Forums
311: Community Forums
312: Photo Gallery
313: Community Forums
314: Community Forums
315: Photo Gallery
316: Community Forums
317: Downloads
318: Community Forums
319: Statistics
320: Photo Gallery
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums
323: Your Account
324: Community Forums
325: Community Forums
326: Community Forums
327: Downloads
328: Downloads
329: Community Forums
330: Community Forums
331: Photo Gallery
332: Community Forums
333: Downloads
334: Community Forums
335: Downloads
336: Photo Gallery
337: Home
338: Downloads
339: News Archive
340: Community Forums
341: Community Forums
342: Home
343: Community Forums
344: Community Forums
345: Community Forums
346: Downloads
347: Community Forums
348: Community Forums
349: Community Forums
350: Community Forums
351: Community Forums
352: Community Forums
353: Downloads
354: Community Forums
355: Your Account
356: Photo Gallery
357: Community Forums
358: Community Forums
359: Community Forums
360: Photo Gallery
361: Home
362: Community Forums
363: Community Forums
364: Downloads
365: Community Forums
366: Community Forums
367: Downloads
368: Downloads
369: Community Forums
370: Statistics
371: Community Forums
372: Community Forums
373: Statistics
374: Community Forums
375: Community Forums
376: Community Forums
377: Photo Gallery
378: Home
379: Community Forums
380: Photo Gallery
381: CPGlang
382: Your Account
383: Community Forums
384: Community Forums
385: Community Forums
386: Community Forums
387: Community Forums
388: Community Forums
389: Community Forums
390: Community Forums
391: Home
392: Downloads
393: Community Forums
394: Photo Gallery
395: Photo Gallery
396: Downloads
397: Downloads
398: Downloads
399: Community Forums
400: Community Forums
401: Community Forums
402: Member Screenshots
403: Home
404: Community Forums
405: Home
406: Community Forums
407: Home
408: Downloads
409: Community Forums
410: Photo Gallery
411: Community Forums
412: Community Forums
413: Photo Gallery
414: Community Forums
415: Community Forums
416: Photo Gallery
417: Your Account
418: Community Forums
419: Community Forums
420: Photo Gallery
421: Community Forums
422: Member Screenshots
423: Photo Gallery
424: Community Forums
425: Community Forums
426: Home
427: Community Forums
428: Photo Gallery
429: Home
430: Photo Gallery
431: Community Forums
432: Your Account
433: Community Forums
434: Community Forums
435: Community Forums
436: Member Screenshots
437: Community Forums
438: Community Forums
439: Statistics
440: Community Forums
441: Community Forums
442: Community Forums
443: Your Account
444: Downloads
445: Community Forums
446: Community Forums
447: Search
448: Home
449: Community Forums
450: Community Forums
451: Home
452: Photo Gallery
453: Community Forums
454: Downloads
455: Photo Gallery
456: Community Forums
457: Downloads
458: Community Forums
459: Community Forums
460: Community Forums
461: Community Forums
462: Community Forums
463: Community Forums
464: Community Forums
465: Home
466: Downloads
467: Community Forums
468: Home
469: Downloads
470: Home
471: Community Forums
472: Photo Gallery
473: Home
474: Community Forums
475: Community Forums
476: Community Forums
477: Community Forums
478: Community Forums
479: Community Forums
480: Community Forums
481: Home
482: Community Forums
483: Community Forums
484: Community Forums
485: Photo Gallery
486: Member Screenshots
487: Community Forums
488: Community Forums
489: Community Forums
490: Community Forums
491: Community Forums
492: Community Forums
493: Community Forums
494: CPGlang
495: Photo Gallery
496: Community Forums
497: Community Forums
498: Community Forums
499: Community Forums
500: Community Forums
501: Community Forums
502: Your Account
503: Member Screenshots
504: Home
505: Your Account
506: Community Forums
507: Home
508: Photo Gallery
509: Member Screenshots
510: Community Forums
511: Downloads
512: Community Forums
513: Community Forums
514: Community Forums
515: Community Forums
516: Community Forums
517: Community Forums
518: Home
519: Community Forums
520: Photo Gallery
521: Community Forums
522: Community Forums
523: Community Forums
524: Photo Gallery
525: Community Forums
526: Community Forums
527: Community Forums
528: Community Forums
529: Photo Gallery
530: Member Screenshots
531: Photo Gallery
532: Photo Gallery
533: Community Forums
534: Home
535: Photo Gallery
536: Community Forums
537: Community Forums
538: Photo Gallery
539: Community Forums
540: Photo Gallery
541: Photo Gallery
542: Community Forums
543: Community Forums
544: Home
545: Home
546: Community Forums
547: Photo Gallery
548: Photo Gallery
549: Community Forums
550: Downloads
551: Community Forums
552: Photo Gallery
553: Community Forums
554: Member Screenshots
555: Community Forums
556: Community Forums
557: Community Forums
558: Community Forums
559: Community Forums
560: Community Forums
561: Community Forums
562: Community Forums
563: Community Forums
564: Statistics
565: Community Forums
566: Community Forums
567: Community Forums
568: Home
569: Home
570: Downloads
571: Community Forums
572: Community Forums
573: Downloads
574: Downloads
575: Community Forums
576: Photo Gallery
577: Community Forums
578: Community Forums
579: Photo Gallery
580: Community Forums
581: Downloads
582: Community Forums
583: Home
584: Community Forums
585: Community Forums
586: Community Forums
587: Downloads
588: Photo Gallery
589: Community Forums
590: Community Forums
591: Photo Gallery
592: Photo Gallery
593: Community Forums
594: Photo Gallery
595: Home
596: Community Forums
597: CPGlang
598: Community Forums
599: Photo Gallery
600: News
601: Photo Gallery
602: Statistics
603: Community Forums
604: Community Forums
605: Home
606: Downloads
607: Photo Gallery
608: Photo Gallery
609: Home
610: Community Forums
611: Home
612: Community Forums
613: Your Account
614: Community Forums
615: Community Forums
616: Community Forums
617: Community Forums
618: Community Forums
619: Downloads
620: News
621: Community Forums
622: Photo Gallery
623: Community Forums
624: Photo Gallery
625: Community Forums
626: Community Forums
627: Home
628: Community Forums
629: Community Forums
630: Photo Gallery
631: Community Forums
632: Downloads
633: Community Forums
634: Downloads
635: Home
636: Photo Gallery
637: Home
638: Photo Gallery
639: Community Forums
640: Community Forums
641: Photo Gallery
642: Statistics
643: Community Forums
644: Community Forums
645: Community Forums
646: Community Forums
647: Community Forums
648: Photo Gallery
649: Photo Gallery
650: Downloads
651: Community Forums
652: Home
653: Community Forums
654: Photo Gallery
655: Community Forums
656: Community Forums
657: Home
658: Community Forums
659: Downloads
660: Photo Gallery
661: Community Forums
662: Community Forums
663: Community Forums
664: Community Forums
665: Community Forums
666: Community Forums
667: Home
668: Community Forums
669: Photo Gallery
670: Community Forums
671: CPGlang
672: Community Forums
673: Photo Gallery
674: Home
675: Community Forums
676: Community Forums
677: Community Forums
678: Community Forums
679: Community Forums
680: Community Forums
681: Community Forums
682: Community Forums
683: Community Forums
684: Community Forums
685: Community Forums
686: Downloads
687: Community Forums
688: Community Forums
689: Photo Gallery
690: Home
691: Downloads
692: Community Forums
693: Community Forums
694: Community Forums
695: Home
696: Community Forums
697: Community Forums
698: Home
699: Home
700: Home
701: Community Forums
702: Downloads
703: Community Forums
704: Community Forums
705: Community Forums
706: Photo Gallery
707: Community Forums
708: Community Forums
709: Photo Gallery
710: Community Forums
711: Statistics
712: Downloads
713: Home
714: Community Forums
715: Community Forums
716: Community Forums
717: Downloads
718: Community Forums
719: Community Forums
720: Downloads
721: CPGlang
722: Community Forums
723: Community Forums
724: Downloads
725: Photo Gallery
726: Community Forums
727: Downloads
728: Community Forums
729: Downloads
730: Community Forums
731: Community Forums
732: Community Forums
733: Community Forums
734: Community Forums
735: Home
736: Community Forums
737: Photo Gallery
738: Community Forums
739: Community Forums
740: Community Forums
741: Downloads
742: CPGlang
743: Community Forums
744: Photo Gallery
745: Photo Gallery
746: Community Forums
747: Community Forums
748: Community Forums
749: Community Forums
750: Community Forums
751: Home
752: Photo Gallery
753: Downloads
754: Community Forums
755: Photo Gallery
756: Photo Gallery
757: Community Forums
758: Community Forums
759: Member Screenshots
760: Your Account
761: Community Forums
762: Community Forums
763: Community Forums
764: Photo Gallery
765: Community Forums
766: Photo Gallery
767: Community Forums
768: Community Forums
769: Community Forums
770: Community Forums
771: Home
772: Community Forums
773: Photo Gallery
774: Downloads
775: Home
776: Member Screenshots
777: Community Forums
778: Community Forums
779: Your Account
780: CPGlang
781: Community Forums
782: Home
783: Community Forums
784: Community Forums
785: Community Forums
786: Community Forums
787: Statistics
788: Downloads
789: Downloads
790: Community Forums
791: Community Forums
792: Photo Gallery
793: Photo Gallery
794: News Archive
795: Member Screenshots
796: Home
797: Downloads
798: Downloads
799: Community Forums
800: Photo Gallery
801: Photo Gallery
802: Community Forums
803: Downloads
804: Community Forums
805: Community Forums
806: Community Forums
807: Community Forums
808: Downloads
809: Community Forums
810: Home
811: Home
812: Community Forums
813: Photo Gallery
814: Downloads
815: Community Forums
816: Member Screenshots
817: Photo Gallery
818: Community Forums
819: Community Forums
820: Downloads
821: Community Forums
822: Member Screenshots
823: Member Screenshots
824: Community Forums
825: Community Forums
826: Community Forums
827: Community Forums
828: Community Forums
829: Community Forums
830: Home
831: Community Forums
832: Photo Gallery
833: Member Screenshots
834: Community Forums
835: Downloads
836: Community Forums
837: Community Forums
838: Community Forums
839: Community Forums
840: Home
841: Community Forums
842: Home
843: Community Forums
844: Community Forums
845: Community Forums
846: Community Forums
847: Community Forums
848: Community Forums
849: Community Forums
850: Downloads
851: Member Screenshots
852: Home
853: Downloads
854: Community Forums
855: Photo Gallery
856: Community Forums
857: News Archive
858: Downloads
859: Photo Gallery
860: Community Forums
861: Community Forums
862: Community Forums
863: Downloads
864: Community Forums
865: Community Forums
866: Home
867: Community Forums
868: Community Forums
869: CPGlang
870: Community Forums
871: Downloads
872: Community Forums
873: Home
874: Photo Gallery
875: Photo Gallery
876: Downloads
877: Community Forums
878: Community Forums
879: Community Forums
880: Community Forums
881: Home
882: Community Forums
883: Community Forums
884: Community Forums
885: Community Forums
886: Community Forums
887: Community Forums
888: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
First images of the Aussie Abrams
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:34 pm
Post subject: Re: First images of the Aussie Abrams

- Doug_Kibbey
- Roy_A_Lingle

Thanks Dong!



"Dong"?!....have some of those old movies I did under my stage name when I was young turn up on the internet? Shocked (or have you been into my stash of VN piasters....?)



Sorry Doug!
I have been awake since 14:30 MST yesterday and it is passed my bed time, but I am having too much fun running my mouth (fingers)!


Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 4:03 pm
Post subject: Re: First images of the Aussie Abrams

- buglerbilly



Regards,

BUG


Hey Folks!

That's a brand new rebuild right? Confused

Are those oil leak stains under that gun mantel?

Is that normal for a M1A1? Sad Sad Sad Sad

Sgt, Scouts Out! Smile

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Jinx
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 186
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:14 pm
Post subject: Re: First images of the Aussie Abrams

Australia is spending billions of $$$$$ on heavy battle tanks, large transport aircraft, Joint Strike Aircraft, JASSM cruise missiles, AEGIS-equipped destroyers, and two 20,000+ tonne amphibious assault vehicles.

Ummmm.....should the rest of us be worried?


(I think we are safe up here in Canada, at least. It is cold here eight months of the year, and Australians aren't used to that.)
Back to top
View user's profile
Sabot
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 380
Location: Kentucky
PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:34 pm
Post subject: Re: First images of the Aussie Abrams

My 2¢ on the Shinseki/Beret issue (my gut feel and not based on any truth): He grew up in the old black beret Armor Corps and I think may have felt as Don does about losing it to the Rangers. I think he probably thought to himself, "If I'm ever king, I'm gonna get that beret back." Well, he became the CSA, and got that beret away from the Rangers. Just MHO.

I served as a company commander under both Clark and Shinseki (yeah rode the Clark "box of death" as a company commander at NTC too). Shinseki made us have a DRB with a tank company team(-) that could be wheels up within 24 hours. This team was basically a tank platoon, Brad platoon, M88, fueler and ammo HEMTT and some wheeled vehicles (M998, supply/PLL truck). The only weak link was the reliance on the USAF to have enough C-5s ready to move the stuff. This team was follow-on support to airborne forces that would already be securing the airfield.

Getting the divisions to the fight in 30 days was his reasoning for wanting more of those Aussie-made Theater Support Vessels (TSV) catamaran-looking fast sealift ships, not for getting rid of heavy divisions and making medium weight Stryker divisions instead. There aren't enough C-5s in the USAF to fly one heavy or medium division into theater in total in 30 days.

_________________
RobG
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address
Sabot
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 380
Location: Kentucky
PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:38 pm
Post subject: Re: First images of the Aussie Abrams

- Roy_A_Lingle
Hey Folks!

That's a brand new rebuild right? Confused

Are those oil leak stains under that gun mantel?

Is that normal for a M1A1? Sad Sad Sad Sad

Sgt, Scouts Out! Smile
AIM=Abrams Integrated Management program, fancy talk for rebuild. All M1A1 and M1A2SEP are rebuilds now. Non-SEP M1A2s were the last new production Abrams tanks off the line, and they are being rebuilt to SEP standards.

Don't see any oil stains under the mantlet, can you point them out?

_________________
RobG
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:54 pm
Post subject: Re: First images of the Aussie Abrams

- Sabot
My 2¢ on the Shinseki/Beret issue (my gut feel and not based on any truth): He grew up in the old black beret Armor Corps and I think may have felt as Don does about losing it to the Rangers. I think he probably thought to himself, "If I'm ever king, I'm gonna get that beret back." Well, he became the CSA, and got that beret away from the Rangers. Just MHO.



He wasn't the first to miss it, but I didn't think that would have been part of his experience..live and learn.

In 1973 when Donn Starry succeeded William Desobry (see: Team Desobry of Bastogne fame...tough SOB) as Installation CO of Ft. Knox, he also instituted the wearing of the black beret for armor troops at Knox, the limit of his realm. I still have mine, but resisted wearing it (which you could kinda' get away with as so many troops at Knox weren't "armor", strictly speaking) because it was WAY less practical, having no bill (no rain/sun protection). Besides, I had my patrol cap (issue baseball caps were widely discarded) nicely broken in and I was ETS'ing in a couple of months, so apart from our weekly formation, I shined it on.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:57 pm
Post subject: Re: First images of the Aussie Abrams

- Sabot

Don't see any oil stains under the mantlet, can you point them out?


Yep, just shadows and grooves for me here too, I think Roy was up so late his eyes were playin' tricks on him....
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
mike_Duplessis
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 236

PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:33 pm
Post subject: Re: First images of the Aussie Abrams

As to Abrams modifications, I seem to recall reading that the Abrams had been offered to Turkey but strictly as-is with absolutely no extras or modifications. Australia may have got a similar deal. If the Aussies want their Abrams's to be different from the U.S. they'll probably have to wait til they're all delivered then take a wrench to them themsleves
Back to top
View user's profile
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2066
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:02 pm
Post subject: Re: First images of the Aussie Abrams

Hello again folks,
Leak, What leak, That's usually what you get from the FSB guys when it comes to the seals. But I agree with Rob, no leak. If I was home I'd post a REAL leak. There's a little more to AIM's than just rebuild, I kinda equate it to when the Army upgraded select M60A1's to RISE standard. They should have the Sidecar system, Newer TNB, TC control panel, FCS Cannister round upgrade, Drivers hatch interlock, pulse jet system, and other stuff. The AIM program just applies all the upgrades with a ground up rebuild. The old M1A1's did have some of these applied but it depended where they were at. I agree with Dontos, I would prefer the M1A1 AIM over any M1A2. Mostly because it's a Tank and not an armoured computer. I wish they'd put the CITV on an A1 along with the newer FLIR gunner's sight. All that other junk can go. If the Aussies are smart they'll junk that Turbine and go diesel. There are plenty of fine engines out there that would perform just as well without the fuel consumption. Then you wouldn't need an APU. Horsepower is useless unless you can use it. My opinion, I'm sure I'll hear otherwise.

Bob, Sorry, the Armor question can't be answered. I'm sure it's been put out on the internet though. I prefer talking M60's, nothing for the most part is sensitive with them.

Joe_D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:40 pm
Post subject: Re: First images of the Aussie Abrams

- Sabot
- Roy_A_Lingle
Hey Folks!

Are those oil leak stains under that gun mantel?

Sgt, Scouts Out! Smile


Don't see any oil stains under the mantlet, can you point them out?


The three dark lines (?) on that desert paint job. Shocked
Two along the bottom and one on the side.

I guess if no else is calling them oil stains, they are shadows?

I guess you Tankers have confuzed this old scout again! Sad
I haven't seen a real Abrams sense the 3rd ACR moved from Ft. Bliss up to Ft. Carson. But the 4th BCT of the 1st CD is bring them back!


Sgt, Scouts Out! Smile

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:51 pm
Post subject: Re: First images of the Aussie Abrams

Roy

In 98, while attending Battle Staff course (yeah,...I was a STAFF PUKE!!) I went walking around and in one of the Motor Pools near the 'new' PX ( actually a new outdoor center store), there was a Battalion worth of M1A1's. They were 'leave behinds' from 3rd ACR deactivation as I was told.

I assume thats all gone now.

That was the last time I was in El Paso, for any length of time.

Ah the memories of El Paso are flooding in....I won't bore ya'll.

_________________
"Gonna hold my breath until Armor returns home..."
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Sabot
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 380
Location: Kentucky
PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:57 pm
Post subject: Re: First images of the Aussie Abrams

I see shadows, 2 along the gun are where the gun goes through the mantlet. The big strip along the left is the GAS port (gunner's aux sight--think 105D to the old tankers). No oil in the area of the mantlet any way.

_________________
RobG
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:05 am
Post subject: Re: First images of the Aussie Abrams

- Roy_A_Lingle
[
I guess if no else is calling them oil stains, they are shadows?

I guess you Tankers have confuzed this old scout again! Sad

Sgt, Scouts Out! Smile


Shadows, Hoss....Rob described it pretty well...

Now, READY......

SQUINT!



....as you were.....
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
buglerbilly
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 147

PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 3:05 am
Post subject: Re: First images of the Aussie Abrams

Older announcement related to these tanks...........they have DU armor replaced/deleted plus the Australian Army will not use DU APFSDS but a German Rheinmetall Tungsten round instead...............

First Five Australian M1A1 Abrams Integrated Management Tanks Delivered
General Dynamics
Tue, 21 Feb 2006, 15:07


LIMA, Ohio: During a ceremony at the Joint Systems Manufacturing Center - Lima, General Dynamics Land Systems, a business unit of General Dynamics, today delivered the first five of 59 M1A1 Abrams Integrated Management (AIM) tanks to the Commonwealth of Australia. Awarded in November 2005, this foreign military sales contract is valued at $70 million. The M1A1 AIM tanks will replace the Australian Land Forces' aging Leopard main battle tanks.

The Abrams M1A1 AIM tanks are survivable and affordable vehicles with excellent potential for network-centric warfare that will provide Australian Forces with increased connectivity, mobility and firepower. Additionally, the M1A1 AIM provides a cost-efficient armor solution as it incurs low operational and support costs, and reports high operational readiness rates. Under this contract, M1A1 Abrams tanks from the U.S. Army inventory are completely disassembled, overhauled and refurbished to like-new "zero-kilometer, zero- hour" condition.

General Dynamics Land Systems Senior Vice President for Production, Delivery and Support Richard O. Gillette told ceremony attendees the process for the Australian tanks began last year when 59 M1A1 Abrams were inducted into General Dynamics Land Systems' partner facility, the Anniston Army Depot. "There, the vehicles were stripped of their component parts," Gillette said. "The process comes full circle here at Lima, where upgrades and technology enhancements are completed. Today's ceremony celebrates the first major deliveries under Australia's Foreign Military Sales program with the United States. This is a major achievement."

Brigadier Damian Roche, the Australian Army Military Attache to the United States, represented the Commonwealth of Australia. General Dynamics Land Systems and Australian vehicle crews participated in a symbolic vehicle log book presentation to signify the transfer of the tank from the contractor to the Australian government. Additionally, General Dynamics Land Systems, U.S. Army Foreign Military Sales program managers and Roche signed the first vehicle's official certificate of acceptance.

The Australian M1A1 AIM tank has a cruising range of up to 480 kilometers, the ability to reach speeds of 66 kph on-road (41 mph) and up to 48 kph off- road (30 mph), while carrying four crewmen and ammunition. The primary weapon is a 120mm smooth-bore cannon; it is also equipped with a 50-caliber machine gun for the tank commander and two additional 7.62mm machine guns. The Abrams can fire an advanced kinetic energy tungsten penetrator round against vehicles and a multipurpose round for infantry support.

The Abrams' survivability is enhanced through its nuclear, biological and chemical protection system, crew compartmentalization from munitions and armored blow-off panels, which allow stowed munitions to vent to the atmosphere if detonated.

The 59 M1A1 AIM tanks will be shipped to Australian Land Forces in two increments: June and December 2006. The tanks are part of a large worldwide fleet with known, stable operating costs, and are expected to be in service beyond 2020.
Back to top
View user's profile
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:09 am
Post subject: Re: First images of the Aussie Abrams

- Dontos
Roy

In 98, while attending Battle Staff course (yeah,...I was a STAFF PUKE!!) I went walking around and in one of the Motor Pools near the 'new' PX ( actually a new outdoor center store), there was a Battalion worth of M1A1's. They were 'leave behinds' from 3rd ACR deactivation as I was told.

I assume thats all gone now.

That was the last time I was in El Paso, for any length of time.

Ah the memories of El Paso are flooding in....I won't bore ya'll.


Hi Dontos! Hi Folks!

That has been a bit. As for STAFF PUKE, I did a year in a battalion S2 shop myself. Interesting time.

3rd ACR deactivation? Surprised No they did a PCS. Sad That only left a few Bradley Linebackers over in the AIT motor pool to look from time to time. Sad

About a month or two before the Regiment started moving out to Ft. Carson, they received a large number of new Abrams tanks. New as in they looked new. My guess is they were rebuilds with fresh paint. The old vehicles set in a holding area next to the base heavy repair shops for a few years. At first I think there was something like 100+ worn out and ran down Abrams in that yard. Then they slowly starting disappearing. I learned from an article in the base newspaper that the base shops have been overhauling those vehicles along with a number of M109s that had been shipped to Ft. Bliss for rebuild. The yards around the base shops now days are filled with wheeled vehicles of all types. Many of them have been there for months.

Spot Report!
Sgt, Scouts Out! Smile

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 2 of 3
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum