±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 600
Total: 600
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Your Account
03: Member Screenshots
04: Community Forums
05: Community Forums
06: Community Forums
07: Downloads
08: Photo Gallery
09: Photo Gallery
10: Community Forums
11: Community Forums
12: Community Forums
13: Community Forums
14: Photo Gallery
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: Downloads
19: Community Forums
20: Photo Gallery
21: Your Account
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Home
25: Community Forums
26: Photo Gallery
27: Downloads
28: Community Forums
29: Downloads
30: Community Forums
31: Community Forums
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: Community Forums
35: Statistics
36: Photo Gallery
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: Home
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Photo Gallery
44: Community Forums
45: Home
46: Community Forums
47: Photo Gallery
48: Community Forums
49: Community Forums
50: Photo Gallery
51: Community Forums
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Statistics
56: Community Forums
57: Community Forums
58: Photo Gallery
59: Photo Gallery
60: Community Forums
61: Home
62: Community Forums
63: Home
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: CPGlang
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: Home
71: Home
72: Photo Gallery
73: Community Forums
74: Home
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: Your Account
79: Downloads
80: Community Forums
81: Home
82: Photo Gallery
83: Community Forums
84: Community Forums
85: Home
86: Photo Gallery
87: Home
88: Community Forums
89: Home
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Home
93: Member Screenshots
94: Community Forums
95: Community Forums
96: Community Forums
97: Community Forums
98: Community Forums
99: Community Forums
100: Photo Gallery
101: Community Forums
102: Photo Gallery
103: Photo Gallery
104: Community Forums
105: Downloads
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Community Forums
109: Community Forums
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: Photo Gallery
115: Community Forums
116: Community Forums
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: Community Forums
121: Home
122: Community Forums
123: Community Forums
124: Community Forums
125: Downloads
126: Community Forums
127: Photo Gallery
128: Community Forums
129: Photo Gallery
130: Photo Gallery
131: Home
132: CPGlang
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: Community Forums
138: Community Forums
139: Member Screenshots
140: Community Forums
141: Photo Gallery
142: Member Screenshots
143: Photo Gallery
144: Photo Gallery
145: Photo Gallery
146: Home
147: Community Forums
148: Community Forums
149: Photo Gallery
150: Home
151: Downloads
152: Community Forums
153: Downloads
154: Community Forums
155: Community Forums
156: Community Forums
157: Photo Gallery
158: Downloads
159: CPGlang
160: Home
161: Community Forums
162: Community Forums
163: Photo Gallery
164: Community Forums
165: Home
166: Photo Gallery
167: Photo Gallery
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Photo Gallery
172: Photo Gallery
173: Photo Gallery
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Community Forums
177: Community Forums
178: Community Forums
179: Community Forums
180: Community Forums
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: Community Forums
184: Community Forums
185: Photo Gallery
186: Community Forums
187: Community Forums
188: Community Forums
189: Community Forums
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: Community Forums
195: Photo Gallery
196: Home
197: Photo Gallery
198: Community Forums
199: Community Forums
200: Community Forums
201: Photo Gallery
202: Downloads
203: Community Forums
204: Community Forums
205: Community Forums
206: Photo Gallery
207: Home
208: Community Forums
209: Community Forums
210: Photo Gallery
211: Community Forums
212: Photo Gallery
213: Community Forums
214: Community Forums
215: Photo Gallery
216: Photo Gallery
217: Community Forums
218: Downloads
219: Community Forums
220: Community Forums
221: Community Forums
222: Photo Gallery
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Community Forums
227: Community Forums
228: Community Forums
229: Photo Gallery
230: Community Forums
231: Home
232: Home
233: Photo Gallery
234: Community Forums
235: Photo Gallery
236: Community Forums
237: Photo Gallery
238: Community Forums
239: Community Forums
240: Downloads
241: Home
242: Community Forums
243: CPGlang
244: Community Forums
245: Community Forums
246: Photo Gallery
247: Photo Gallery
248: News
249: Statistics
250: Photo Gallery
251: Community Forums
252: Community Forums
253: Photo Gallery
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums
256: Community Forums
257: News
258: Community Forums
259: Community Forums
260: Community Forums
261: Community Forums
262: Photo Gallery
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Community Forums
266: Community Forums
267: Community Forums
268: Community Forums
269: Photo Gallery
270: Home
271: Community Forums
272: Community Forums
273: Downloads
274: Downloads
275: Community Forums
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: Community Forums
280: Community Forums
281: Statistics
282: Home
283: Photo Gallery
284: Your Account
285: Community Forums
286: Community Forums
287: Photo Gallery
288: Community Forums
289: Community Forums
290: News Archive
291: Home
292: Home
293: Photo Gallery
294: Home
295: Community Forums
296: Home
297: Community Forums
298: Community Forums
299: Community Forums
300: Downloads
301: Community Forums
302: Community Forums
303: Downloads
304: Community Forums
305: Community Forums
306: Community Forums
307: Home
308: Community Forums
309: Home
310: Community Forums
311: Community Forums
312: Community Forums
313: Photo Gallery
314: Community Forums
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: Community Forums
318: Community Forums
319: Community Forums
320: Community Forums
321: Member Screenshots
322: Community Forums
323: Community Forums
324: Home
325: Community Forums
326: Community Forums
327: Community Forums
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: Community Forums
331: Community Forums
332: Community Forums
333: Your Account
334: Community Forums
335: Community Forums
336: Community Forums
337: Photo Gallery
338: Community Forums
339: Community Forums
340: Community Forums
341: Community Forums
342: CPGlang
343: Community Forums
344: Downloads
345: Photo Gallery
346: Photo Gallery
347: Community Forums
348: Photo Gallery
349: Photo Gallery
350: Community Forums
351: Community Forums
352: Photo Gallery
353: Downloads
354: Community Forums
355: News Archive
356: Home
357: Community Forums
358: Community Forums
359: Home
360: Community Forums
361: Community Forums
362: Community Forums
363: CPGlang
364: Photo Gallery
365: Your Account
366: Home
367: Downloads
368: Community Forums
369: Community Forums
370: Community Forums
371: Community Forums
372: Community Forums
373: Photo Gallery
374: Community Forums
375: Community Forums
376: Community Forums
377: Community Forums
378: Downloads
379: Photo Gallery
380: Community Forums
381: Home
382: Community Forums
383: Photo Gallery
384: Community Forums
385: Community Forums
386: CPGlang
387: Member Screenshots
388: Community Forums
389: Home
390: Photo Gallery
391: CPGlang
392: Community Forums
393: Photo Gallery
394: Community Forums
395: Community Forums
396: Photo Gallery
397: Community Forums
398: Home
399: Community Forums
400: Photo Gallery
401: Community Forums
402: Community Forums
403: Photo Gallery
404: Home
405: Statistics
406: Photo Gallery
407: CPGlang
408: Community Forums
409: Community Forums
410: Community Forums
411: Community Forums
412: Community Forums
413: Community Forums
414: Home
415: Community Forums
416: Statistics
417: Community Forums
418: Community Forums
419: Statistics
420: Downloads
421: Downloads
422: Community Forums
423: Downloads
424: Photo Gallery
425: Your Account
426: Community Forums
427: Community Forums
428: Community Forums
429: Photo Gallery
430: Community Forums
431: Community Forums
432: Community Forums
433: Community Forums
434: Community Forums
435: Home
436: Community Forums
437: Your Account
438: Community Forums
439: Community Forums
440: Community Forums
441: Community Forums
442: Photo Gallery
443: Home
444: Community Forums
445: Community Forums
446: Community Forums
447: Statistics
448: Community Forums
449: Community Forums
450: Community Forums
451: Community Forums
452: Your Account
453: Community Forums
454: Community Forums
455: Community Forums
456: Community Forums
457: Community Forums
458: Community Forums
459: Community Forums
460: Community Forums
461: Community Forums
462: Photo Gallery
463: Community Forums
464: Photo Gallery
465: Community Forums
466: Photo Gallery
467: Home
468: Photo Gallery
469: Your Account
470: Community Forums
471: Community Forums
472: Photo Gallery
473: Home
474: Community Forums
475: Photo Gallery
476: Community Forums
477: Photo Gallery
478: Photo Gallery
479: CPGlang
480: Community Forums
481: Community Forums
482: Community Forums
483: Community Forums
484: Community Forums
485: Community Forums
486: Photo Gallery
487: Home
488: Community Forums
489: Community Forums
490: Photo Gallery
491: Community Forums
492: Community Forums
493: Downloads
494: Home
495: Member Screenshots
496: Photo Gallery
497: Your Account
498: Community Forums
499: Community Forums
500: Photo Gallery
501: Community Forums
502: Community Forums
503: Community Forums
504: Photo Gallery
505: Community Forums
506: Photo Gallery
507: Community Forums
508: Community Forums
509: Photo Gallery
510: Community Forums
511: Community Forums
512: Photo Gallery
513: Community Forums
514: Community Forums
515: Community Forums
516: Community Forums
517: Downloads
518: Photo Gallery
519: Community Forums
520: Community Forums
521: Community Forums
522: Community Forums
523: Community Forums
524: Photo Gallery
525: Community Forums
526: Your Account
527: Community Forums
528: Community Forums
529: Downloads
530: Photo Gallery
531: Community Forums
532: Community Forums
533: Community Forums
534: Photo Gallery
535: Community Forums
536: Photo Gallery
537: Community Forums
538: Photo Gallery
539: Photo Gallery
540: Photo Gallery
541: Community Forums
542: Community Forums
543: Your Account
544: Community Forums
545: Community Forums
546: Community Forums
547: Community Forums
548: Community Forums
549: Community Forums
550: Community Forums
551: Photo Gallery
552: Photo Gallery
553: Community Forums
554: CPGlang
555: Community Forums
556: Community Forums
557: Community Forums
558: Community Forums
559: Member Screenshots
560: Home
561: Community Forums
562: Community Forums
563: Community Forums
564: Community Forums
565: Home
566: Downloads
567: Community Forums
568: Community Forums
569: Community Forums
570: Community Forums
571: Community Forums
572: Statistics
573: Community Forums
574: Community Forums
575: Community Forums
576: CPGlang
577: Downloads
578: Downloads
579: Home
580: Community Forums
581: Photo Gallery
582: Community Forums
583: Photo Gallery
584: Community Forums
585: Community Forums
586: Community Forums
587: Community Forums
588: Community Forums
589: Home
590: Community Forums
591: Community Forums
592: Downloads
593: Community Forums
594: Search
595: Home
596: Community Forums
597: Community Forums
598: Photo Gallery
599: Community Forums
600: Photo Gallery

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Tiger and Panther survivors lists
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Rikard_Hufschmied
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 458
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:32 am
Post subject: Tiger and Panther survivors lists

Pierre Olivier, who used to frequent the old board under the name P-O, has made a pair of nice PDF files of Tiger and Panther survivors. As he has not yet joined the new forum, like many others he finds the need for registration a hassle, he has asked me me to provide the links for the files.

the.shadock.free.fr/Su...nthers.pdf
the.shadock.free.fr/Su...Tigers.pdf

All correction, amending and new info welcome, I'll pass on whatever comes up on this thread and future releated threads ... and I'll be on P-O's case to register ASAP. You can also mail P-O directly, his email is on the documents.

Cheers,
Rik
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
jcneel
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 101
Location: Victoria, Texas
PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:10 pm
Post subject: Re: Tiger and Panther survivors lists

Now those are awesome lists. Something like this might could be used for the Directory being discussed in the Wrecks and Relics thread.

Please encourage Pierre to join this forum. Once registered it isn't that much to get into. I'm sure many here would appreciate his imput. I certainly enjoy these lists!

Chris Neel
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:24 pm
Post subject: Re: Tiger and Panther survivors lists

- jcneel
Now those are awesome lists. Something like this might could be used for the Directory being discussed in the Wrecks and Relics thread.

Please encourage Pierre to join this forum. Once registered it isn't that much to get into. I'm sure many here would appreciate his imput. I certainly enjoy these lists!

Chris Neel


By all means...I tried to send the following to Rikard via Private Messages, but it's still lying in my outbox:

"Please implore P-O to join us here. I'll even register him (he can change his password after if he wishes...I've done this for several members already.
(Glad you found your way over here, BTW)

As to the "hassle"...have you visited the old board lately? Several 'bots work it over regularly and there's no keeping up. George has removed the link from the AFV site."
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
toadmanstankpictures
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 704

PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:55 pm
Post subject: Re: Tiger and Panther survivors lists

Those lists are really cool!! Let Pierre know that his work compiling the lists is appreciated.

_________________
Chris "toadman" Hughes
www.toadmanstankpictures.com
www.cafepress.com/toad...ksandstuff
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Rikard_Hufschmied
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 458
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 4:40 pm
Post subject: Re: Tiger and Panther survivors lists

- Doug_Kibbey


By all means...I tried to send the following to Rikard via Private Messages, but it's still lying in my outbox:

"Please implore P-O to join us here. I'll even register him (he can change his password after if he wishes...I've done this for several members already.
(Glad you found your way over here, BTW)

As to the "hassle"...have you visited the old board lately? Several 'bots work it over regularly and there's no keeping up. George has removed the link from the AFV site."


Thanks Doug,

I was over at the old board last week (wich is in a small word terrible), that's how I found P-O. He had responded to the last very extensive, not to mention rewarding, Panther/Tiger Survivors thread we had so I mailed him with some amendments and corrections and got a very quick reply back.

I will urge him to join the new board as I will mail him later today.

Cheers,
Rik

_________________
Frustra Nate Vive Devincere
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 6:39 pm
Post subject: Re: Tiger and Panther survivors lists

Hi everybody,
I received some mails since those lists are on this forum, thanks to Rikard, with very nice photos. I was in Normandy this week, for the D Day anniversary, and I got the opportunity to see the Falaise Panther, so I have some recent photos of it. It is located in the Falaise August 44 Museum, owned by Michel LELOUP. Infortunately, I was not able to ask him if he has a gun for the turret, and if the panther needs a lot of work now..
Here is the photography :

Cheers,

Pierre-Olivier


Last edited by the_shadock on Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:06 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
L.Delsing
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 10, 2006
Posts: 960

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:20 am
Post subject: Re: Tiger and Panther survivors lists

Very interesting, do you know were it came from or that it is a recent ''find''.

In 2000 there were the following Shermans in the ''backyard'', were these still there??

M4 Sherman der jun00
M4 Sherman der jun00
M4A1 Sherman der jun00
M4A4 Sherman der jun00

Regards,
Lesley
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:23 am
Post subject: Re: Tiger and Panther survivors lists

I don't know where is this Panther from, but it's not a recent find.. I'll ask Mr Leloup when I will go back there, I hope during the summer holidays..

Here is an old photo of this same panther, stored in a farm and find on www.schatzsucher.de :

[img]http://www.schatzsucher.de/Foren/attachment.php?attachmentid=3328&d=1060782959[/img]

Yes there are some Shermans in the backyard, I think I've seen at least 4 or 5 wrecks (I did'nt count them..) + a M10 Tank Destroyer in bad condition + a M32 Recovery Tank and a couple of UK armoured cars, and a Flak 88 mount.. I only have those photos where you can see the Mr Leloup's Panzer IV with some wrecks in the background :

Here you can see the M4A1.



Here are 3 sherman wrecks on the background



Everything is in bad condition and needs a lot of work.. I'll take other photos as soon as possible.
I also have photos of the nice M4A1 Sherman and the Sexton in front of the museum :






Pierre-Olivier


Last edited by the_shadock on Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:07 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
L.Delsing
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 10, 2006
Posts: 960

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:26 pm
Post subject: Re: Tiger and Panther survivors lists

Very nice pictures! Thank you. I visited Normany in june 2000 and also this museum. I was then under the impression that the museum was closed and ended because of the old building with broken windows, nobody to see and some rusty Shermans in the backyard.

Then they didn't had the Sherman in front of the museum. Its good to see they still have the PzKpfw IV! Any idea what subtype it is? Also is this an original German one or a former Syrian tank?

Regards,
Lesley
Back to top
View user's profile
Rikard_Hufschmied
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 458
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:13 pm
Post subject: Re: Tiger and Panther survivors lists

- the_shadock
I don't know where is this Panther from, but it's not a recent find.. I'll ask Mr Leloup when I will go back there, I hope during the summer holidays..

Here is an old photo of this same panther, stored in a farm and find on www.schatzsucher.de


Welcome Pierre-Olivier!

If we could get André Flener's input, he is a Panther authority but I haven't seen him since the move to this forum. I remember André saying that the Leloupe Panther came from Saumur's storage backyard.

Again, Welcome
Rik

_________________
Frustra Nate Vive Devincere
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 8:34 am
Post subject: Re: Tiger and Panther survivors lists

For Lesley, I don't have any idea if the PzKpfw IV is an original one or a syrian one. I'll ask Mr Leloup when I'll go back in Normandy (I'll do a list of questions to ask him.. lol).

For Rik, we maybe have to try to convince Mr Flener to join us on this forum. I don't have a lot of skills about Panthers, I just summarize information I get on the web...

Cheers,

Pierre-Olivier
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Rikard_Hufschmied
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 458
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 4:53 pm
Post subject: Re: Tiger and Panther survivors lists

- the_shadock

For Rik, we maybe have to try to convince Mr Flener to join us on this forum. I don't have a lot of skills about Panthers, I just summarize information I get on the web...

Cheers,
Pierre-Olivier


I've emailed André at the address I've got, I hope he'll transfer to this forum if he hasn't already; he would have jumped this thread if he was around though ... well let's see.

Cheers,
Rik

_________________
Frustra Nate Vive Devincere
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Andre_Flener
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 26, 2006
Posts: 17
Location: G.D. of Luxembourg
PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:05 pm
Post subject: Origins of the Falaise Panther and Pz.IV

Hello everyone!

Yes, I'm also a member of this 'new' AFV News Discussion Board, but I actually post here more seldom, than on the 'old' one; whose layout was by far more clearly arranged...

Tout d'abord, je dois dire que c'est un remarquable effort fait par Pierre-Olivier avec ces deux fichiers PDF - donc: continuez le bon travail! ("This was a message for the French-speaking members.") Wink

Well, one asked for my advice, so here's my 'very humble' one:

That yet unrestored Panther stored at the "Musée Août '44" in Falaise most likely came - like I stated before - from the back-scrap-yard of the Saumur Museum:


(Source: http://community.webshots.com/photo/252214650/1262787004063387170zuXCxd )

A small hint: count the hit-dots on the glacis plate (in comparison with the frontal picture posted above)... Laughing

Thus one can presume that this museum's Pz.IV came from there as well.

BTW, here's another image of the same Panther, apparently taken when it had been delivered:


(Source: somewhere on the internet!)
(Disclaimer: this is NOT my photo!)

Hope this helps!

Regards,

André Flener
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:37 pm
Post subject: Re: Tiger and Panther survivors lists

Very pleased to welcome you on this 'new' forum, André.. and a new very interesting photo, which shows this Panther with some parts on the back (maybe not enough to complete the running gear..). It's a shame that it seems not to have its gun. However, I've seen a Panther gun exposed at the D-Day Omaha Museum in Vierville... Here is a photo I've taken :



Who knows, maybe this Panther will be complete one day.. I hope so..

Regards from France

Pierre-Olivier


Last edited by the_shadock on Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:08 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Polar
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 27, 2006
Posts: 96
Location: Poland
PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:54 am
Post subject: Re: Tiger and Panther survivors lists

Did you know something about this Tiger ?
www.militaryimages.net.../allfields

Photos was doing in Duxford Museum
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 3
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum