±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 553
Total: 553
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Home
02: Community Forums
03: Photo Gallery
04: Community Forums
05: Community Forums
06: Photo Gallery
07: Community Forums
08: Home
09: Home
10: Community Forums
11: Photo Gallery
12: Community Forums
13: Community Forums
14: Photo Gallery
15: Community Forums
16: Home
17: Community Forums
18: Community Forums
19: Home
20: Photo Gallery
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Home
24: Community Forums
25: Search
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Community Forums
32: Community Forums
33: Photo Gallery
34: Community Forums
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Photo Gallery
39: Community Forums
40: Home
41: Your Account
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: Photo Gallery
45: Photo Gallery
46: Photo Gallery
47: Community Forums
48: Statistics
49: Community Forums
50: Community Forums
51: Statistics
52: Home
53: Community Forums
54: Photo Gallery
55: Statistics
56: Community Forums
57: Photo Gallery
58: CPGlang
59: Photo Gallery
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Photo Gallery
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: Home
69: Downloads
70: Home
71: Member Screenshots
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Photo Gallery
76: Search
77: Community Forums
78: Home
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Photo Gallery
82: Photo Gallery
83: Community Forums
84: Community Forums
85: Community Forums
86: Community Forums
87: Photo Gallery
88: Community Forums
89: Community Forums
90: Photo Gallery
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: Home
95: Home
96: Community Forums
97: Photo Gallery
98: Photo Gallery
99: Photo Gallery
100: Community Forums
101: Community Forums
102: Home
103: Community Forums
104: Downloads
105: Photo Gallery
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Community Forums
109: Community Forums
110: Photo Gallery
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: Home
115: Community Forums
116: Community Forums
117: Photo Gallery
118: Photo Gallery
119: Community Forums
120: Community Forums
121: Community Forums
122: Community Forums
123: Your Account
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Home
128: Community Forums
129: Community Forums
130: Community Forums
131: Member Screenshots
132: Community Forums
133: Community Forums
134: Photo Gallery
135: Photo Gallery
136: Community Forums
137: Home
138: Community Forums
139: Home
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Photo Gallery
145: Home
146: Photo Gallery
147: Photo Gallery
148: Home
149: Community Forums
150: Downloads
151: Community Forums
152: CPGlang
153: Home
154: Community Forums
155: Photo Gallery
156: Community Forums
157: Photo Gallery
158: Community Forums
159: Community Forums
160: Community Forums
161: Community Forums
162: Community Forums
163: Downloads
164: Community Forums
165: Community Forums
166: Photo Gallery
167: Community Forums
168: Home
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Community Forums
172: CPGlang
173: Downloads
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Home
177: Community Forums
178: Community Forums
179: Community Forums
180: Home
181: Home
182: Home
183: Photo Gallery
184: Home
185: Photo Gallery
186: Community Forums
187: Community Forums
188: Community Forums
189: Home
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: Photo Gallery
193: Photo Gallery
194: Photo Gallery
195: Home
196: Community Forums
197: Community Forums
198: Community Forums
199: Community Forums
200: Downloads
201: Community Forums
202: Community Forums
203: Photo Gallery
204: Photo Gallery
205: Photo Gallery
206: Statistics
207: Community Forums
208: Community Forums
209: Home
210: Home
211: Home
212: Community Forums
213: Photo Gallery
214: Home
215: Home
216: Statistics
217: Community Forums
218: Photo Gallery
219: Downloads
220: Community Forums
221: Photo Gallery
222: Photo Gallery
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Community Forums
227: Community Forums
228: Community Forums
229: Community Forums
230: Community Forums
231: Photo Gallery
232: Member Screenshots
233: Community Forums
234: Home
235: Community Forums
236: Community Forums
237: Photo Gallery
238: Community Forums
239: Photo Gallery
240: Community Forums
241: Community Forums
242: Photo Gallery
243: News Archive
244: Home
245: Community Forums
246: Downloads
247: Photo Gallery
248: Community Forums
249: Community Forums
250: Community Forums
251: Community Forums
252: Home
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums
256: Community Forums
257: Community Forums
258: Community Forums
259: Community Forums
260: Community Forums
261: Community Forums
262: Community Forums
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Community Forums
266: Community Forums
267: Your Account
268: Community Forums
269: Community Forums
270: Community Forums
271: Photo Gallery
272: Community Forums
273: Photo Gallery
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: Statistics
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: Community Forums
280: Home
281: Community Forums
282: CPGlang
283: Community Forums
284: Photo Gallery
285: Community Forums
286: Community Forums
287: Community Forums
288: Community Forums
289: Community Forums
290: Photo Gallery
291: Statistics
292: Downloads
293: Photo Gallery
294: Photo Gallery
295: Photo Gallery
296: Community Forums
297: Your Account
298: Community Forums
299: Community Forums
300: Community Forums
301: Community Forums
302: Photo Gallery
303: Community Forums
304: Community Forums
305: Home
306: Home
307: Home
308: Photo Gallery
309: Home
310: Downloads
311: Community Forums
312: Community Forums
313: Photo Gallery
314: Community Forums
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: Community Forums
318: Community Forums
319: Photo Gallery
320: Community Forums
321: Downloads
322: Community Forums
323: CPGlang
324: Home
325: Home
326: Community Forums
327: Community Forums
328: Home
329: Community Forums
330: Community Forums
331: Home
332: Community Forums
333: Community Forums
334: Community Forums
335: Photo Gallery
336: Home
337: Community Forums
338: Community Forums
339: Home
340: Community Forums
341: Photo Gallery
342: Home
343: Community Forums
344: Community Forums
345: Community Forums
346: Statistics
347: Community Forums
348: Your Account
349: Photo Gallery
350: Community Forums
351: Community Forums
352: Community Forums
353: Community Forums
354: Community Forums
355: Photo Gallery
356: Community Forums
357: Photo Gallery
358: Community Forums
359: Community Forums
360: Photo Gallery
361: Photo Gallery
362: Community Forums
363: CPGlang
364: Community Forums
365: Photo Gallery
366: Your Account
367: Community Forums
368: Community Forums
369: Community Forums
370: Community Forums
371: Community Forums
372: Photo Gallery
373: Community Forums
374: Community Forums
375: Community Forums
376: Home
377: Community Forums
378: Community Forums
379: Home
380: Community Forums
381: Photo Gallery
382: Community Forums
383: Photo Gallery
384: Home
385: Community Forums
386: Community Forums
387: Community Forums
388: Community Forums
389: Community Forums
390: Downloads
391: Community Forums
392: Community Forums
393: Home
394: Community Forums
395: Community Forums
396: Community Forums
397: CPGlang
398: Home
399: Downloads
400: Home
401: Community Forums
402: Photo Gallery
403: Photo Gallery
404: Photo Gallery
405: Photo Gallery
406: Community Forums
407: Community Forums
408: Downloads
409: Community Forums
410: Photo Gallery
411: Photo Gallery
412: CPGlang
413: Community Forums
414: Your Account
415: Community Forums
416: Community Forums
417: Community Forums
418: Your Account
419: Community Forums
420: Community Forums
421: Community Forums
422: Community Forums
423: Community Forums
424: Community Forums
425: Photo Gallery
426: Community Forums
427: Community Forums
428: Your Account
429: News Archive
430: Member Screenshots
431: Community Forums
432: Home
433: Community Forums
434: Member Screenshots
435: Community Forums
436: Community Forums
437: Community Forums
438: Community Forums
439: Community Forums
440: Photo Gallery
441: Community Forums
442: Photo Gallery
443: Photo Gallery
444: Photo Gallery
445: Home
446: Home
447: Community Forums
448: Home
449: Photo Gallery
450: Home
451: Community Forums
452: Home
453: Community Forums
454: Downloads
455: Member Screenshots
456: Downloads
457: Photo Gallery
458: Downloads
459: Downloads
460: Home
461: Community Forums
462: Photo Gallery
463: Community Forums
464: Member Screenshots
465: Downloads
466: Community Forums
467: Photo Gallery
468: Community Forums
469: Photo Gallery
470: Photo Gallery
471: Photo Gallery
472: Community Forums
473: Community Forums
474: Community Forums
475: Community Forums
476: Photo Gallery
477: Photo Gallery
478: Home
479: Home
480: Community Forums
481: Home
482: Photo Gallery
483: Community Forums
484: Community Forums
485: Photo Gallery
486: Community Forums
487: Community Forums
488: Statistics
489: Photo Gallery
490: CPGlang
491: Community Forums
492: Community Forums
493: Community Forums
494: Photo Gallery
495: Community Forums
496: Community Forums
497: Community Forums
498: Photo Gallery
499: Downloads
500: Community Forums
501: Home
502: Home
503: Community Forums
504: Community Forums
505: Photo Gallery
506: Home
507: Member Screenshots
508: Community Forums
509: Community Forums
510: Community Forums
511: Community Forums
512: Community Forums
513: Downloads
514: Community Forums
515: Community Forums
516: Community Forums
517: Community Forums
518: Home
519: Community Forums
520: Community Forums
521: Downloads
522: Community Forums
523: Community Forums
524: Community Forums
525: Photo Gallery
526: Photo Gallery
527: Home
528: Photo Gallery
529: Community Forums
530: Photo Gallery
531: Home
532: Home
533: Community Forums
534: Community Forums
535: Community Forums
536: Photo Gallery
537: Community Forums
538: Community Forums
539: Photo Gallery
540: Member Screenshots
541: Home
542: Community Forums
543: Photo Gallery
544: Home
545: Community Forums
546: Home
547: Community Forums
548: Community Forums
549: Home
550: Photo Gallery
551: Community Forums
552: Home
553: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Spain M47 at Ft Hood.....
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 4:28 pm
Post subject: Spain M47 at Ft Hood.....

This M47 sits at the end of the row of M60's and M48 at the 1st CAV museum. Easy to read serial number of 8537, USA number 3C-168736. My son Jeffrey found the front two floor hatches missing and we were able to snap some interior shots, esspecially of the data plate. The data plate had no manufacture date which suprised me. Both the M47 at Ft Irwin were Italian models that made there way back to the states. They were serials 1560 which had a Transmission overhaul data plate of 6/5/68 in Italy. And there was serial number 1022 which was overhauled in Cittadella Italy.
A few numbers I have on M47's are as follows;
- The Italians used M47's from1954 through 1989, 35years!!!
- M47 was the last tank to utilize a 5 man crew.
- M47 cost $129,000 each to produce.
- 8,576 M47's were built, (5481 at Detroit Tank Arsenal and 3095 at American Locomotive)
- Spain rebuilt 22 M47's into M47ER3's from 1993-96 and they are in service today.
- The M47 entered military service in 1952 but was being replaced by the M48 by 1953 and was being exported widely to NATO countries such as Belgium, France, Germany, and Austria.
- The M47 is still in some use with Greece, Turkey, Republic of Korea, Jordan, Iran, Pakistan, and Yugoslavia, (how up to date this is, I do not know).










_________________
SFC Jeff Button "High Angle Hell"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Maple_Leaf_Eh
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 517

PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 4:47 pm
Post subject: Re: Spain M47 at Ft Hood.....

" A few numbers I have on M47's are as follows;
- The Italians used M47's from1954 through 1989, 35years!!!
- M47 was the last tank to utilize a 5 man crew.
- M47 cost $129,000 each to produce.
- 8,576 M47's were built, (5481 at Detroit Tank Arsenal and 3095 at American Locomotive)
- Spain rebuilt 22 M47's into M47ER3's from 1993-96 and they are in service today.
- The M47 entered military service in 1952 but was being replaced by the M48 by 1953 and was being exported widely to NATO countries such as Belgium, France, Germany, and Austria.
- The M47 is still in some use with Greece, Turkey, Republic of Korea, Jordan, Iran, Pakistan, and Yugoslavia, (how up to date this is, I do not know)."

What is so special about the M47 that it would be so longlived? We know the T54/55 series persists by virtue of its numerical superiority and dog$hit simple mechanics. We also know the Danish and Norwegians liked the Walker Bulldog family because of its small size and utility on narrow roads and small islands.
Back to top
View user's profile
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2066
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:19 pm
Post subject: Re: Spain M47 at Ft Hood.....

OK,
I don't have my references with me but I'm pretty damn sure no M47 ever made it to Korea during the war (M26's and M46's), and from what I remember the 90mm gun on the M47 had a changed chamber that allowed for firing of the older 90mm rounds of the M26 and M46 but actually fired a higher velocity round. Looking at this tank I doubt very seriously it had been upgraded to a Diesel, all the M47's I've seen with 1790 diesels had the low IR rear grills like the M48A2/3/5's and M60's. This one is still equipped with the gas mufflers coming from the top deck, it would be a hell of a plumbing job to route the exhaust from a 1790 diesel that way. Jeff, you need to straighten this museum out. It's better to put out no information than wrong.

Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 7:05 pm
Post subject: Re: Spain M47 at Ft Hood.....

Hi Folks!

- SFC_Jeff_Button

This M47 sits at the end of the row of M60's and M48 at the 1st CAV museum.



I have to agree with Joe D. That plaque has some very questionable claims on it.

The engine up grade. It is my understanding the M47s that were upgrade to the AVDS-1790-2A diesel engine had a top engine deck that look's like a M48A3, air filter boxes on the fenders and grill doors on the top half of the rear hull.

As for the Korean War, I have never heard of the M47 making it over there for the war. M46s, yes, M47s no. I wonder if they have the dates off and that unit used M47s post war. Maybe that is were the M47s the South Koran Army used (post war) came from?

Jeff, I think that museum needs a lot of help.
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 7:28 pm
Post subject: Re: Spain M47 at Ft Hood.....

Hi Folks!


This Spanish M47 has the diesel engine up grade. You can see the air filter boxes on the fenders and just make out some of the top engine deck about those boxes.


Just drawing, but it is the best I have of an engine upgrade.


This is the only photo I recall ever seeing of a South Korean Army M47. Could it be they never used the gun version?

Spot Report!
Sgt, Scouts Out!

Top two photos are from Steven J Zaloga's "The M47 & M48 Patton Tanks" by Osprey Vanguard 29, ISBN 0 85045 466 2, Copyright 1980.

Botton photo from Jane;s World Armoured Fighting Vehicles by Christopher F. Foss, ISBN 0 312 44047 2, copyright 1976.

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 7:43 pm
Post subject: Re: Spain M47 at Ft Hood.....

Nothing I find on the Ferreamole site seems to indicate that the Italian M47's were ever converted to diesel. You can view their tech manuals and pics below:

www.ferreamole.it/imag...47_01m.htm

"L'M47 era dotato di un motore Continental AV-1790-5B alimentato a benzina con 12 cilindri a V da 29.361 cc., raffreddato ad aria ed erogante una potenza massima di 810 Hp a 2.800 giri/min. Nonostante la potenza fosse adeguata al peso del mezzo, questo motore era il vero tallone d'Achille del carro a causa del suo consumo spaventoso. Si pensi che pur avendo una riserva di 1.055 litri di benzina, l'autonomia su strada era di soli 128 Km. Ciò significava un consumo di oltre 8 litri/Km. Il motore era accoppiato ad una trasmissione automatica Cross-Drive (così definita perchè montata trasversalmente nel vano motore) CD-854-4 con due marce avanti ed una indietro. Come si vede dalle foto, motore e trasmissione erano stabilmente uniti in modo da poter essere rimossi contemporaneamente, facilitando così le operazioni di manutenzione."

www.ferreamole.it/imag..._01pic.htm
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:27 am
Post subject: Re: Spain M47 at Ft Hood.....

I spoke with the 1st CAV museum assistant today and explained that the M47 wasn't a diesel conversion. He look at me rather blandly and said many of the plaques didn't reflect correct information. He then followed that up by telling me I would probably find an M151 jeep labeled as having served in the Korean War if I looked close enough. So you can see the amazing folks that run the museum don't seem to care a great deal, at least at 1st CAV.
These pictures are of the 4th ID M47, serial number 483, USA number 370675. There is a foriegn data plate on the back as well, Italian? last number of tha date appears to be 67?





_________________
SFC Jeff Button "High Angle Hell"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:04 am
Post subject: Re: Spain M47 at Ft Hood.....

Its a disgrace that ANYONE working in a HISTORICAL MUSEUM (whether a volunteer or PAID STAFF) to openly express such an unprofessional suggestion.

Data plates being inaccurate are not uncommon but to make such suggestions and then to show utter disinterest!!!!

W.T.F!!!!
NOT ACCEPTABLE!!
(member 1st CAV Association, & 2nd generation 'First Team' veteran)
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:18 am
Post subject: Re: Spain M47 at Ft Hood.....

Sorry Don,
As I typed that last post, I just knew I'd hit a cord with you and I didn't mean to but I had to tell it like it was. The actual director, Mr. Draper has had medical issues as of late and wasn't around. I've onlt recieved brief e-mail traffic from him via my Ft Hood e-mail account. He seems interested in my research but I've yet to meet him in person. I was actually suprised by the 4th ID museum directors knowledge on armor, She, (Celia Stratton) went on about armor, spouting their nomenclatures like an expert. She was very pleasent and basically gave me access to whatever I wanted armor wise for research.
I wish I worked in a military museum. I doubt that will ever happen without some sort of related degree, but I think I'd make a good contribution. I'm not bragging, but doing something you truely enjoy makes the job just so much more enjoyable. I envy you and where you are, believe me! I look forward to the day when we meet.

_________________
SFC Jeff Button "High Angle Hell"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:38 am
Post subject: Re: Spain M47 at Ft Hood.....

- SFC_Jeff_Button
Sorry Don,
As I typed that last post, I just knew I'd hit a cord with you and I didn't mean to but I had to tell it like it was. The actual director, Mr. Draper has had medical issues as of late and wasn't around. I've onlt recieved brief e-mail traffic from him via my Ft Hood e-mail account. He seems interested in my research but I've yet to meet him in person. I was actually suprised by the 4th ID museum directors knowledge on armor, She, (Celia Stratton) went on about armor, spouting their nomenclatures like an expert. She was very pleasent and basically gave me access to whatever I wanted armor wise for research.
I wish I worked in a military museum. I doubt that will ever happen without some sort of related degree, but I think I'd make a good contribution. I'm not bragging, but doing something you truely enjoy makes the job just so much more enjoyable. I envy you and where you are, believe me! I look forward to the day when we meet.


okay,....okay. Got it. Apologies for the rant. Just pisses me off when historical instituations allow such cavilier attitudes. It blurs peoples perceptions of the institution. Total BS in my book.

Switching to 'Radio-Listening-Silence' now...
Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 7:10 am
Post subject: Re: Spain M47 at Ft Hood.....

Hi Guys!

- Dontos
- SFC_Jeff_Button
Sorry Don,
As I typed that last post, I just knew I'd hit a cord with you and I didn't mean to but I had to tell it like it was. The actual director, Mr. Draper has had medical issues as of late and wasn't around. I've onlt recieved brief e-mail traffic from him via my Ft Hood e-mail account. He seems interested in my research but I've yet to meet him in person. I was actually suprised by the 4th ID museum directors knowledge on armor, She, (Celia Stratton) went on about armor, spouting their nomenclatures like an expert. She was very pleasent and basically gave me access to whatever I wanted armor wise for research.
I wish I worked in a military museum. I doubt that will ever happen without some sort of related degree, but I think I'd make a good contribution. I'm not bragging, but doing something you truely enjoy makes the job just so much more enjoyable. I envy you and where you are, believe me! I look forward to the day when we meet.


okay,....okay. Got it. Apologies for the rant. Just pisses me off when historical instituations allow such cavilier attitudes. It blurs peoples perceptions of the institution. Total BS in my book.

Switching to 'Radio-Listening-Silence' now...
Don


I totally agree with you Don. As you say "Total BS"
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:06 am
Post subject: Re: Spain M47 at Ft Hood.....

Now for a little defense of the guy

It's hard to say how many times I have been called on to defend some detail at Aberdeen by someone who thinks he has found a significant mistake. Whether it is the 'Why can't you take better care of these tanks' to 'you painted that tank the wrong color it should be 1/2 a shade darker' There have even been people argue with Dr Atwater about how Leopold (Anzio Annie) is painted and he has a letter from the ex gun commander describing the paint job! When the old metal signs were mounted near the tanks there were some with glaring errors.

I would try to listen to each persons comments and explain (as best I knew) why what they saw was the way it was. For bad info on the signs sometimes the answer was that we knew there was an error and they were trying to get knew signs that would hold up better (The metal ones were almost unreadable, but it seemed like any mistake was still perfectly clear). But occasionally I would have a bad day and someone would get a perfunctery 'yes we know that' answer or what I thought was a tongue in cheek 'If you think thats bad you should see ????'

Now if I could get that way and only have to put up with it on the occasinal times I choose to go up there I can sympathize with someone who gets the same thing day after day. It doesn't excuse it but I guess I'm hoping that you caught him at the end of a bad day and that he didn't intend to sound as cavalier as he did.

As far as wanting to work at a museum - You're making the first step make contacts and volunteer. Use the opportunity to learn more about it from there side. Offer to present what you learn to staff and patrons, offer to give tours. One advantage to volunteering is you can stop any time you want if you decide it isn't your thing. If the museums there are anything like Aberdeen they have most of their visitors 9tour groups, boy scouts, etc) when they are least available to handle it (weekends) That is how I moved from just 'hanging out' looking at the tanks at Aberdeen to giving tours. They needed help with groups on weekends. Who knows you may end up being our 'inside guy' down there soon

_________________
Bob Smart (bsmart@xecu.net)
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum