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Hmm... I wonder if the "two" are the ones at APG & Fort Meade. Werent "all" of the Mk VIIIs supposed to have been sold to Canada in 1939? Probably unlikely, but if that was truly the case, then the two US museum examples could have been acquired back at the end of the war...

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Given the shortage of shipping, especially early in the war why would scrap be sent to the UK? It seems it would be much more efficient to melt it down on this side of the ocean and send ingots, plate steel, etc to the UK to meet their needs. later in the war much older equipment was sent from North Africa & Europe back to the U.S. and Canada as scrap but many ships would have been coming back in ballast anyway.

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Well, one, they were probably scrapped at the end if not after the war.

Plus, remember, scrap was sent this way from the UK at least via reverse lend-lease - so its not unheard of to send scrap across the Atlantic during WWII... Thats how the Ordnance Museum got its Matilda II Wink

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That's why the comment about the scrap coming back from North Africa and Europe (And I KNOW you've heard my Matilda story at Aberdeen Rolling Eyes )
but going the other way especially during the war doesn't make sense. maybe after the war, but by then there was so much scrape over there I can't see much reason to import any in from further than the continent.

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Scrap was more welcome in the UK than iron ore which required far more processing, Imports of it tailed off once we began to win battles, capture the ground and started advancing as there was a closer (and free) supply recovered from the battlefield. American ships even carried it as ballast on their return to the USA.

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Also, I've got one of the one in the Patton Museum from this year and from 1971 out front (same vehicle) that I can post for you later. Just arrived in Europe and don't have access to my files here.


So there is something I don't understand. The Patton Museum has a FT-17 since 1971. This museum received 2 more FT-17 (more or less wrecks) from Afghanistan, and now, only 2 are exposed. What happened to the 3dr one?

I think that I'll do a survining FT-17 PDF file too.. Wink

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Oh...one more thing (I'm late on this...been away on holiday)....the first FT-17 pictured at the beginning of this thread is definitely the one that used to be outside back in 1971...I proved that with my old pic from that time from the pattern of holes around the left side of the turret, posted somewhere way back in this forum after my trip in May.

Just in case you wanna' know...
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Scrap was more welcome in the UK than iron ore which required far more processing, Imports of it tailed off once we began to win battles, capture the ground and started advancing as there was a closer (and free) supply recovered from the battlefield. American ships even carried it as ballast on their return to the USA.

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I wasn't suggesting Iron Ore but processed Iron/steel. plate or ingots would not only take less space than scrap but would also save the transporting of the 'energy source' (Metalurgical grade coal, etc) needed to process thescrap into usable 'raw steel'. plate, ingots, or structural steel components would arrive in a much more usable state than scrap

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Scrap is cheaper than processed iron/steel when your forced to pay cash for everything.

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Sure, here's where I got the info. No idea where in Huntington it is stored
Thanks for the info. I'll see if the paper has any idea. Smile
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I guess you could also try the Nitro city hall...

That tank's got a bit of a history, it used to be outside the railroad station in Alexandria, VA - but I think it was gone long before I moved into the area...

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Here is a picture of the Borden M1917...



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Not sure why the picture isnt working (or the link for that matter), but you can find it at: ipmswinnipeg.1afm.com/...20AFVs.htm - scroll down to the Ontario, Borden section.

Thanks to lurker Alf Adams for pointing this site out to me, I am working to incorporate the info to my Canada AFV Register file...

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Here are a couple views of the Borden tank, not great pics but the lighting inside was very bad



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Here's a photo I guess most have seen but maybe not.......captioned "Six Ton Tank (1917) About 140 M1917 light tanks were supplied by the USA in 1940 for training purposes" to Canada

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I wonder if "Mister Worthington" is in that picture.

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