±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: nbrich1
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6596

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 90
Total: 90
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Photo Gallery
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: Photo Gallery
06: Photo Gallery
07: Community Forums
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Home
11: Photo Gallery
12: Community Forums
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: CPGlang
17: Community Forums
18: Photo Gallery
19: Photo Gallery
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Home
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Community Forums
29: CPGlang
30: Downloads
31: Photo Gallery
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: Community Forums
35: Home
36: Home
37: Home
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: Home
41: Community Forums
42: Photo Gallery
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Photo Gallery
46: Photo Gallery
47: Community Forums
48: Home
49: Community Forums
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Community Forums
53: Photo Gallery
54: Community Forums
55: Photo Gallery
56: Photo Gallery
57: Photo Gallery
58: Community Forums
59: Photo Gallery
60: Photo Gallery
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Community Forums
65: Downloads
66: Home
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: Photo Gallery
70: Home
71: Photo Gallery
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Downloads
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: Community Forums
79: Photo Gallery
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Home
83: Photo Gallery
84: Community Forums
85: Community Forums
86: News
87: Photo Gallery
88: Photo Gallery
89: Photo Gallery
90: Home

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
M60A3OE from Austria serial nr. and question
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
robertkru
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 11, 2007
Posts: 24

PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 2:07 pm
Post subject: M60A3OE from Austria serial nr. and question

Hi to all
This week was the small yearly tankfest from Military Museum in Vienna and I had the chance to look at M60A3OE also. Because someone asked here (Joe_D??)ages ago for details of these tanks I asked for pic of license plate. This plate shows M60A3 also the driver said this is reworked M60A1 tank. Is this correct? I can name nearly any changes in Sturmgeschuetz but I have no clue about modern tanks.




Regards from Vienna
Robert
Back to top
View user's profile
Kurt_Laughlin
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 571

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 6:41 pm
Post subject: Re: M60A3OE from Austria serial nr. and question

Hi Robert:

M60A3s were either modified from M60A1s or made new. I'm guessing that this tank was an upgraded M60A1 because the turret has the re-entrant shape at the lower edge, as seen at the far right of your second photo. (Close to a > shape, in fact.) By the time M60A3s were being made the contour of the lower edge had been changed.

"M60A1" or "early" type:
data3.primeportal.net/..._of_85.jpg

"late" type:
farm3.staticflickr.com...6da5_b.jpg

Look at the lower turret edge below the smoke grenade launchers.

Hope that helps,
KL
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 28, 2006
Posts: 2024
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:52 pm
Post subject: Re: M60A3OE from Austria serial nr. and question

Hi Robert,

It was me who was very interested in the Austrian M60A3's they have. The Turret difference Kurt pointed out indicates rebuild. The other is the Hull. The first photo shows the detail that identifies this tank having the Generation 2 hull, or the first M60A1 type hull as in the picture below.

Hull ID

This type of hull arraignment was used with M60A1's up to serial number 4425 between 1962 and 1966. Austria received 120 M60A1's in 1964, so the 2974 number corresponds well with that date. The best info you provided was the Data plate from the drivers station. Thank you very much for posting it. It is the same plate they used on the initial batch of M60A3 Passives the US Army received. What I find very interesting is that the new plate was stamped with the original producer (Chrysler) and also the Contractor who rebuilt her to A3 Passive standards, Noricum/SDP. Noricum used to be a subsidiary of VOEST, and SDP being Steyr-Daimler-Puch. They also stamped both the initial build date (1964) and the conversion date (1988). Something the US did not do when converting M60A1's to A3's. Did you get a chance to see the drivers escape hatch? Based on the serial number it should be the small round version like the M48, later models had a larger oval type.

Thanks for sharing. On another note, congratulations to the Bundesheer for winning the Strong Europe Tank competition this year, Being a former US Army Tanker I was for the American team but being half Austrian getting beat by them made it much more bearable.

_________________
Joe D
*****************
My M60 Gallery
*****************
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Kurt_Laughlin
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 571

PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:08 pm
Post subject: Re: M60A3OE from Austria serial nr. and question

Joe, were these converted with kits in Austria?

KL
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 28, 2006
Posts: 2024
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:42 am
Post subject: Re: M60A3OE from Austria serial nr. and question

Kurt,

Yes, Austria purchased A3 Passive conversion kits from the US. They also upgraded the hull to A3 standards to include the installation of AVDS-1790CA engines. My understanding was the bulk of the conversion parts came from Mainz Army Depot. The Tanks went through a complete tear down and rebuild to include specific Austrian upgrades like the smoke grenade launchers and Wegman Searchlight. Much like our Anniston rebuilds, they were effectively "New" tanks when done. 118 of the 120 A1's were converted. They also purchased 50 new A3 passives. These can be ID'd by the later hulls and turrets along with a single piece bustle rack and .50 cal interrupter for the wind sensor.

_________________
Joe D
*****************
My M60 Gallery
*****************
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Kurt_Laughlin
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 571

PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:12 pm
Post subject: Re: M60A3OE from Austria serial nr. and question

Neat info.

Thx,
KL
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum