±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 669
Total: 669
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: CPGlang
03: Community Forums
04: Downloads
05: Community Forums
06: Community Forums
07: Community Forums
08: Home
09: Community Forums
10: Home
11: Community Forums
12: Community Forums
13: Community Forums
14: Home
15: Home
16: Community Forums
17: Downloads
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: Photo Gallery
22: Photo Gallery
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Your Account
27: Community Forums
28: Member Screenshots
29: Community Forums
30: Downloads
31: Photo Gallery
32: Home
33: Community Forums
34: Community Forums
35: Community Forums
36: Photo Gallery
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: Photo Gallery
41: Home
42: Community Forums
43: Your Account
44: Community Forums
45: Photo Gallery
46: Downloads
47: Photo Gallery
48: Community Forums
49: Photo Gallery
50: Home
51: Community Forums
52: Community Forums
53: Downloads
54: Your Account
55: Community Forums
56: Community Forums
57: Community Forums
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Statistics
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: Your Account
68: Photo Gallery
69: Home
70: Photo Gallery
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: Photo Gallery
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Home
82: Community Forums
83: Photo Gallery
84: Community Forums
85: Community Forums
86: Your Account
87: Community Forums
88: Home
89: Community Forums
90: CPGlang
91: Photo Gallery
92: News
93: Community Forums
94: Home
95: Statistics
96: Community Forums
97: Photo Gallery
98: Photo Gallery
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Community Forums
102: Community Forums
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Contact
107: Photo Gallery
108: Home
109: Community Forums
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: Home
115: Home
116: Community Forums
117: Home
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: Community Forums
121: Home
122: Community Forums
123: Photo Gallery
124: Photo Gallery
125: Photo Gallery
126: Community Forums
127: Home
128: Community Forums
129: Home
130: Community Forums
131: Community Forums
132: Downloads
133: Home
134: Community Forums
135: Photo Gallery
136: Community Forums
137: Community Forums
138: Home
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Photo Gallery
143: Community Forums
144: Photo Gallery
145: Community Forums
146: Community Forums
147: Member Screenshots
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: Community Forums
151: Community Forums
152: Community Forums
153: Your Account
154: Your Account
155: Community Forums
156: Home
157: Community Forums
158: Photo Gallery
159: Community Forums
160: Community Forums
161: Community Forums
162: Community Forums
163: Community Forums
164: Your Account
165: Community Forums
166: Community Forums
167: Community Forums
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Community Forums
172: Community Forums
173: Community Forums
174: Home
175: Community Forums
176: Community Forums
177: Photo Gallery
178: Community Forums
179: Home
180: Community Forums
181: Your Account
182: Home
183: Community Forums
184: Community Forums
185: Community Forums
186: Community Forums
187: Community Forums
188: Community Forums
189: Community Forums
190: Home
191: Member Screenshots
192: Home
193: News Archive
194: Community Forums
195: Community Forums
196: Home
197: Community Forums
198: Community Forums
199: Community Forums
200: Community Forums
201: Community Forums
202: Community Forums
203: Community Forums
204: Community Forums
205: Home
206: Community Forums
207: Your Account
208: Photo Gallery
209: Photo Gallery
210: Community Forums
211: Community Forums
212: Home
213: Community Forums
214: Community Forums
215: Statistics
216: Statistics
217: Community Forums
218: Community Forums
219: Home
220: Community Forums
221: Community Forums
222: Community Forums
223: CPGlang
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Community Forums
227: Community Forums
228: Home
229: Photo Gallery
230: Community Forums
231: Your Account
232: Community Forums
233: Community Forums
234: Community Forums
235: Community Forums
236: Photo Gallery
237: Photo Gallery
238: Community Forums
239: Photo Gallery
240: Home
241: Community Forums
242: Statistics
243: CPGlang
244: Community Forums
245: Community Forums
246: Photo Gallery
247: Your Account
248: Photo Gallery
249: Community Forums
250: Downloads
251: Community Forums
252: Community Forums
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums
256: Downloads
257: Community Forums
258: Community Forums
259: Community Forums
260: Home
261: Community Forums
262: Community Forums
263: Downloads
264: Photo Gallery
265: Community Forums
266: Community Forums
267: Photo Gallery
268: Home
269: Community Forums
270: Community Forums
271: Photo Gallery
272: Downloads
273: Photo Gallery
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: Community Forums
280: Community Forums
281: Community Forums
282: Downloads
283: Community Forums
284: Community Forums
285: Community Forums
286: Photo Gallery
287: Community Forums
288: Home
289: Home
290: Community Forums
291: Your Account
292: Community Forums
293: Community Forums
294: Community Forums
295: Community Forums
296: Community Forums
297: Community Forums
298: Home
299: Community Forums
300: Home
301: Community Forums
302: Community Forums
303: Community Forums
304: Community Forums
305: Home
306: Community Forums
307: CPGlang
308: Community Forums
309: Photo Gallery
310: Community Forums
311: Photo Gallery
312: Home
313: Home
314: Photo Gallery
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: Community Forums
318: Community Forums
319: Community Forums
320: Community Forums
321: Home
322: Your Account
323: Community Forums
324: Photo Gallery
325: Photo Gallery
326: Community Forums
327: Photo Gallery
328: Downloads
329: Home
330: Community Forums
331: Community Forums
332: Home
333: Downloads
334: Home
335: Community Forums
336: Home
337: Community Forums
338: Community Forums
339: Photo Gallery
340: Community Forums
341: Photo Gallery
342: Community Forums
343: Community Forums
344: Community Forums
345: Community Forums
346: Photo Gallery
347: Community Forums
348: Home
349: Community Forums
350: Photo Gallery
351: Photo Gallery
352: Photo Gallery
353: Community Forums
354: Community Forums
355: Community Forums
356: Community Forums
357: Your Account
358: Community Forums
359: Community Forums
360: Community Forums
361: Community Forums
362: Photo Gallery
363: Member Screenshots
364: Community Forums
365: Community Forums
366: Community Forums
367: Community Forums
368: Statistics
369: Photo Gallery
370: Community Forums
371: Community Forums
372: Home
373: Community Forums
374: Home
375: Home
376: Community Forums
377: Photo Gallery
378: Community Forums
379: Downloads
380: Photo Gallery
381: Community Forums
382: Community Forums
383: Photo Gallery
384: Community Forums
385: Community Forums
386: Downloads
387: Community Forums
388: Community Forums
389: Community Forums
390: Community Forums
391: Home
392: Community Forums
393: Community Forums
394: Home
395: Home
396: Photo Gallery
397: Community Forums
398: News Archive
399: Community Forums
400: Community Forums
401: Photo Gallery
402: Community Forums
403: Community Forums
404: Community Forums
405: Community Forums
406: Community Forums
407: Home
408: Community Forums
409: Community Forums
410: Home
411: Community Forums
412: Downloads
413: Statistics
414: Community Forums
415: Downloads
416: Photo Gallery
417: Photo Gallery
418: Downloads
419: Photo Gallery
420: Photo Gallery
421: Photo Gallery
422: Community Forums
423: Community Forums
424: Downloads
425: Community Forums
426: Photo Gallery
427: Community Forums
428: Community Forums
429: Photo Gallery
430: Home
431: News Archive
432: Community Forums
433: Your Account
434: Photo Gallery
435: Community Forums
436: Photo Gallery
437: Photo Gallery
438: Member Screenshots
439: Community Forums
440: Community Forums
441: Community Forums
442: Home
443: Home
444: Community Forums
445: Home
446: Community Forums
447: Home
448: Member Screenshots
449: Member Screenshots
450: Downloads
451: Community Forums
452: Home
453: Community Forums
454: Community Forums
455: Downloads
456: Home
457: Community Forums
458: Community Forums
459: Community Forums
460: Community Forums
461: Downloads
462: Your Account
463: Photo Gallery
464: Community Forums
465: Community Forums
466: Community Forums
467: Community Forums
468: Photo Gallery
469: Home
470: Photo Gallery
471: Community Forums
472: Home
473: Home
474: Community Forums
475: Community Forums
476: Photo Gallery
477: Community Forums
478: Photo Gallery
479: Community Forums
480: Community Forums
481: Community Forums
482: Community Forums
483: Home
484: Community Forums
485: Community Forums
486: Community Forums
487: Photo Gallery
488: Community Forums
489: Community Forums
490: Home
491: Community Forums
492: Your Account
493: Community Forums
494: Member Screenshots
495: Community Forums
496: Community Forums
497: Home
498: Community Forums
499: Community Forums
500: Community Forums
501: Home
502: Home
503: Community Forums
504: Your Account
505: Home
506: Photo Gallery
507: Your Account
508: Your Account
509: Downloads
510: Photo Gallery
511: Community Forums
512: Home
513: Photo Gallery
514: Member Screenshots
515: Downloads
516: Home
517: Community Forums
518: Community Forums
519: Community Forums
520: Community Forums
521: Community Forums
522: Photo Gallery
523: Community Forums
524: Downloads
525: Photo Gallery
526: Community Forums
527: CPGlang
528: Community Forums
529: Community Forums
530: Photo Gallery
531: Community Forums
532: Community Forums
533: Home
534: Community Forums
535: Downloads
536: Community Forums
537: Home
538: Home
539: Community Forums
540: Community Forums
541: Community Forums
542: Community Forums
543: Photo Gallery
544: Community Forums
545: Home
546: Community Forums
547: Photo Gallery
548: Photo Gallery
549: Community Forums
550: Community Forums
551: Community Forums
552: Home
553: Home
554: Home
555: Community Forums
556: Photo Gallery
557: Home
558: Community Forums
559: Downloads
560: Community Forums
561: Community Forums
562: Photo Gallery
563: Downloads
564: Community Forums
565: Community Forums
566: Community Forums
567: Downloads
568: Home
569: Community Forums
570: Community Forums
571: Community Forums
572: Community Forums
573: Photo Gallery
574: Photo Gallery
575: Photo Gallery
576: Community Forums
577: Community Forums
578: Photo Gallery
579: Community Forums
580: Home
581: Community Forums
582: Community Forums
583: Community Forums
584: Community Forums
585: Community Forums
586: Home
587: Home
588: Community Forums
589: Member Screenshots
590: Community Forums
591: Home
592: Community Forums
593: Photo Gallery
594: Community Forums
595: Photo Gallery
596: Community Forums
597: Photo Gallery
598: Home
599: Community Forums
600: Community Forums
601: LinkToUs
602: Community Forums
603: Photo Gallery
604: Home
605: CPGlang
606: Photo Gallery
607: Community Forums
608: Photo Gallery
609: Community Forums
610: Downloads
611: Home
612: Statistics
613: Photo Gallery
614: Community Forums
615: Downloads
616: Community Forums
617: CPGlang
618: Community Forums
619: Photo Gallery
620: Home
621: Home
622: Photo Gallery
623: Community Forums
624: Community Forums
625: Community Forums
626: Home
627: Community Forums
628: Member Screenshots
629: Community Forums
630: Community Forums
631: Community Forums
632: Photo Gallery
633: Community Forums
634: Home
635: Community Forums
636: Community Forums
637: Community Forums
638: Community Forums
639: Community Forums
640: Community Forums
641: Downloads
642: Community Forums
643: Home
644: Community Forums
645: Home
646: Downloads
647: Community Forums
648: Photo Gallery
649: Community Forums
650: Community Forums
651: Community Forums
652: Community Forums
653: Community Forums
654: Photo Gallery
655: Community Forums
656: CPGlang
657: Community Forums
658: Community Forums
659: Community Forums
660: Photo Gallery
661: Photo Gallery
662: Community Forums
663: Photo Gallery
664: Community Forums
665: Photo Gallery
666: Community Forums
667: Community Forums
668: CPGlang
669: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Russian translation needed !! (Panzer III related)
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:58 am
Post subject: Russian translation needed !! (Panzer III related)

Hello,

I just received this link which shows very interesting photos of Panzer III tanks :

http://serkoff.narod.ru/photoalbum32.html

The first Pz III (photos 1 to 11) is the one located on Poklonnaya Gora, Moscow. The second one is located at Aberdeen Proving Ground (photos 12 to 19). The third one is exposed at Kubinka (photos 20 to 27) and the fourth one is on Poklonnaya Gora too (photos 28 to 33).

What is very interesting here is the fifth Panzer III (see photo at the bottom of the post). I don"t know neither its current location, nor its type. It seems that the little explanation in Russian at the bottom of the page could help into identifying its current location (a museum?). It seems too that this tank has the old type track "360MM track" and it could be a Beobachtungspanzer indeed. Who could help in translating the text in Russian on this page, in providing more information about this mysterious Panzer III??





Pierre-Olivier

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:47 am
Post subject: Re: Russian translation needed !! (Panzer III related)

I can't help with the translation but I can tell you the Aberdeen pictures are at least 6 years old an dprobably older than that. Looking at the vehicles in teh background I can see at least two that have not been located in that field since I started volunteering in the spring of 2001 (The M108 and the Firefly).

_________________
Bob Smart (bsmart@xecu.net)
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
jcneel
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 101
Location: Victoria, Texas
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:48 am
Post subject: Re: Russian translation needed !! (Panzer III related)

Here is the translation through Babelfish web site:

"PzKpfw. III Photo 1-11 pzKpfw.III from the exposure of the museum of World War II on The poklonneye mountain, Moscow. Housing is found in the Chudov region of the Leningrad of obl. Tower is transmitted into the museum by the service of the criminal police g. kolpino. It is otrestavrirovan 38 NIII GABTU of the RF Ministry of Defense in 2001. photo 12-19 pzKpfw.III from the exposure of the museum of the Aberdeen range, USA. photo 20-27 pzKpfw. III of exposure military history museum BTVT, Kubinka. photo 28-33 pzKpfw.III from the exposure of the museum of World War II on The poklonneye mountain, Moscow. It is found in the region g. it is Volga-Don in 2001 it is transmitted into the gift to museum by association "heritage" and administration Of the dubovskeyeo region of the Rostov of obl. in 2002. photo 34-73 pzKpfw. III. Bunichevo field, g.Mogilev."

hth

Chris Neel
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:12 pm
Post subject: Re: Russian translation needed !! (Panzer III related)

Thanks Chris for your help,

I also tried to obtain a translation through a website but the text is quite difficult to understand, that's why I would like to have the help of a native speaker.. I will also require the help for doing researches on some Russian websites and I can't do that on my own, since my level in Russian is close to Zero..

I would like to know what is "Bunichevo field" ?? Is it a monument, a little museum?? I can't find any information on the web.

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:59 pm
Post subject: Re: Russian translation needed !! (Panzer III related)

I got the information. The Panzer III is exposed along with a IS-2 tank and 2 Russian artillery guns at Bunichevo park, Mogilev (Belarus).

Pierre-Olivier

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Taranov
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jul 04, 2006
Posts: 344
Location: Moscow, Russia
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:35 pm
Post subject: Re: Russian translation needed !! (Panzer III related)

It's Belorussia.
BTW i'm been on the Poklonnaya Hill today, make some german and japanese tanks shots. Need to upload? Wink
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:09 pm
Post subject: Re: Russian translation needed !! (Panzer III related)

Belarus or Belorussia, it's a linguists debate.. I had a look on Wikipedia and the country is called Belarus in English. But in French we say either Belarus or Biélorussie.. however the official name given by the Government of this country seems to be Belarus..

However, yes I'm interested in getting all the pictures you've taken on Poklonnaya hill. Maybe you could post them on this forum, I'm sure that a lot of people are interested in seeing them too.

Pierre-Olivier

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Cloudy
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 06, 2006
Posts: 75

PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 3:30 am
Post subject: Re: Russian translation needed !! (Panzer III related)

Please post them Taranov, I'm also interested in seeing them!

Alan
Back to top
View user's profile
Taranov
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jul 04, 2006
Posts: 344
Location: Moscow, Russia
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:57 am
Post subject: Re: Russian translation needed !! (Panzer III related)

Type 95 Ha-Go, with markings of 11 Regiment, Kuril Islands, 1945




PzKpfw 38(t) Ausf.F





Turret from PzKpfw I



Turret from PzKpfw IV Ausf.F



Marder III Ausf.M, restoration not looks accurate, but condition of original parts not bad.




PzKpfw III Ausf.J with L/42 gun, some parts of hull not original





Another PzKpfw III Ausf.J with L/42 gun, internal blast damage, i think (or it's can be result of autogen armed metal hunters attack...)

Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 3:02 pm
Post subject: Re: Russian translation needed !! (Panzer III related)

Great !!

Thanks !!

Pierre-Olivier

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:13 pm
Post subject: Re: Russian translation needed !! (Panzer III related)

- Taranov

Marder III Ausf.M, restoration not looks accurate, but condition of original parts not bad.




I think that this one is more likely a Marder III Ausf. H.

Quoting Wikipedia, "As with the Sd.Kfz.139, [the Sd.Kfz. 138 Marder III Ausf. H] also carried a 7.92 mm machine gun in the hull, of Czech manufacture."

And "The Ausf. M did not carry a machinegun in its hull, instead a MG 34 or MG 42 was carried by the crew."

On your photos we can clearly see that this Marder III has a machinegun in the hull.

Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marder_III

Pierre-Olivier

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:19 pm
Post subject: Re: Russian translation needed !! (Panzer III related)

There seems to be a Panzer III turret at Poklonnaya Gora, and also a Panzer III gun, here is the picture :



Taranov, was the turret removed from there? Did you see it when you were there? I am also interested in obtaining pictures of German Half-Tracks if you have some, as I plan to list them all..

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Taranov
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jul 04, 2006
Posts: 344
Location: Moscow, Russia
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:39 pm
Post subject: Re: Russian translation needed !! (Panzer III related)

About Marder III - yes, more looks like a Ausf.H with Ausf.M style fighting compartment.
Turret - yes, replaced by Panzer IV F1 turret.
Halftracks - in fact, it's not german vehicles. First, OT-810 - czech-made postwar vehicle, second - ex-french UNIC P107 with very incorrect restoration.
Also Poklonnaya Hill exposition included "StuG III". In fact, it's work of peoples from Kubinka Wink Hull of PzKpfw III and details from StuG III Ausf.B.
Back to top
View user's profile
jcneel
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 101
Location: Victoria, Texas
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:06 pm
Post subject: Re: Russian translation needed !! (Panzer III related)

Comparing Taranov's photo of the "Marder III" at this museum to one of the Marder III Ausf M from Aberdeen, considerable differences can be seen in these vehicles. The Ausf H has a mid-chassis mounted cannon, but one that is considerably lower than the original Marder III Vehicle.

So this one appears to be a reconstructed oddball.


Marder III Ausf M from Aberdeen (April 2007)

Marder III (with 7.62cm cannon) from Aberdeen (April 2007)


I do not have a photo of an Marder III Ausf H to compare with.

cn
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 8:05 pm
Post subject: Re: Russian translation needed !! (Panzer III related)

Marder III Ausf. H at Sinsheim :

[img]http://image57.webshots.com/757/4/22/46/2693422460100192038KiACxA_fs.jpg?track_pagetag=/page/photo/news/military&track_action=/Owner/Shortcuts/FullSize[/img]

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum