±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 757
Total: 757
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Community Forums
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: Community Forums
06: Downloads
07: Member Screenshots
08: Community Forums
09: Downloads
10: Photo Gallery
11: Community Forums
12: Community Forums
13: Home
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: Community Forums
19: Photo Gallery
20: Community Forums
21: Home
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Photo Gallery
25: Community Forums
26: Home
27: Community Forums
28: Home
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Community Forums
32: CPGlang
33: Community Forums
34: Photo Gallery
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: News
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Home
44: Community Forums
45: Community Forums
46: CPGlang
47: Community Forums
48: Community Forums
49: Photo Gallery
50: Home
51: Member Screenshots
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Community Forums
57: Community Forums
58: Community Forums
59: Home
60: Community Forums
61: Home
62: Community Forums
63: Photo Gallery
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: Photo Gallery
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: Home
70: Photo Gallery
71: Member Screenshots
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Downloads
77: Community Forums
78: Community Forums
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Member Screenshots
82: Community Forums
83: Photo Gallery
84: Community Forums
85: CPGlang
86: Home
87: Downloads
88: Home
89: Community Forums
90: Photo Gallery
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Home
94: Photo Gallery
95: Home
96: Community Forums
97: Community Forums
98: Photo Gallery
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Community Forums
102: Community Forums
103: Photo Gallery
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Downloads
107: Community Forums
108: Community Forums
109: Community Forums
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Downloads
114: Photo Gallery
115: Downloads
116: Downloads
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: Community Forums
121: Community Forums
122: Home
123: Community Forums
124: Photo Gallery
125: Member Screenshots
126: Community Forums
127: Photo Gallery
128: Photo Gallery
129: Community Forums
130: Photo Gallery
131: Home
132: Home
133: Community Forums
134: Photo Gallery
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: Community Forums
138: Downloads
139: Community Forums
140: Photo Gallery
141: Community Forums
142: Community Forums
143: Home
144: Community Forums
145: Community Forums
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: Downloads
151: Community Forums
152: Home
153: Community Forums
154: Community Forums
155: Photo Gallery
156: Community Forums
157: Home
158: Downloads
159: Community Forums
160: Photo Gallery
161: Community Forums
162: Community Forums
163: Community Forums
164: Community Forums
165: Community Forums
166: Home
167: Community Forums
168: Photo Gallery
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Home
172: Community Forums
173: Community Forums
174: Community Forums
175: Home
176: Downloads
177: Community Forums
178: Community Forums
179: Community Forums
180: Community Forums
181: Downloads
182: Photo Gallery
183: Community Forums
184: Photo Gallery
185: Downloads
186: CPGlang
187: Community Forums
188: Community Forums
189: Community Forums
190: Your Account
191: Community Forums
192: Community Forums
193: Photo Gallery
194: Community Forums
195: CPGlang
196: Community Forums
197: Photo Gallery
198: Community Forums
199: Photo Gallery
200: Community Forums
201: Community Forums
202: Downloads
203: CPGlang
204: Community Forums
205: Photo Gallery
206: Photo Gallery
207: Home
208: Community Forums
209: Community Forums
210: Community Forums
211: Community Forums
212: Member Screenshots
213: Your Account
214: Community Forums
215: Community Forums
216: CPGlang
217: Community Forums
218: Community Forums
219: Community Forums
220: Community Forums
221: Community Forums
222: Community Forums
223: Downloads
224: Home
225: Member Screenshots
226: Photo Gallery
227: Community Forums
228: Photo Gallery
229: Community Forums
230: Community Forums
231: Downloads
232: Community Forums
233: Downloads
234: Photo Gallery
235: Downloads
236: Community Forums
237: Community Forums
238: Community Forums
239: Community Forums
240: Community Forums
241: Community Forums
242: Home
243: Community Forums
244: Community Forums
245: Community Forums
246: Community Forums
247: Home
248: Photo Gallery
249: Photo Gallery
250: Photo Gallery
251: Home
252: Statistics
253: Photo Gallery
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums
256: Community Forums
257: Home
258: Community Forums
259: Community Forums
260: Community Forums
261: Community Forums
262: Photo Gallery
263: Community Forums
264: Photo Gallery
265: Photo Gallery
266: Community Forums
267: Photo Gallery
268: Community Forums
269: Home
270: Photo Gallery
271: Community Forums
272: Community Forums
273: Community Forums
274: Community Forums
275: Photo Gallery
276: Photo Gallery
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: Community Forums
280: Community Forums
281: Community Forums
282: Home
283: Community Forums
284: Community Forums
285: Photo Gallery
286: Home
287: Home
288: Community Forums
289: Community Forums
290: Community Forums
291: Member Screenshots
292: Your Account
293: Community Forums
294: Photo Gallery
295: Community Forums
296: Photo Gallery
297: Community Forums
298: Community Forums
299: Community Forums
300: Community Forums
301: Community Forums
302: Photo Gallery
303: Community Forums
304: Photo Gallery
305: Community Forums
306: Community Forums
307: Your Account
308: CPGlang
309: Community Forums
310: Photo Gallery
311: Community Forums
312: Community Forums
313: Photo Gallery
314: Photo Gallery
315: Home
316: Community Forums
317: Community Forums
318: Downloads
319: Photo Gallery
320: Photo Gallery
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums
323: Community Forums
324: Community Forums
325: Downloads
326: Photo Gallery
327: Home
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: Home
331: Community Forums
332: Community Forums
333: Community Forums
334: Community Forums
335: Home
336: Downloads
337: Photo Gallery
338: Community Forums
339: Downloads
340: Community Forums
341: Community Forums
342: Community Forums
343: Community Forums
344: Community Forums
345: Photo Gallery
346: Community Forums
347: Community Forums
348: Community Forums
349: CPGlang
350: Photo Gallery
351: CPGlang
352: Community Forums
353: Community Forums
354: Photo Gallery
355: Downloads
356: News
357: Community Forums
358: Community Forums
359: News Archive
360: Community Forums
361: Community Forums
362: Photo Gallery
363: Community Forums
364: Community Forums
365: Community Forums
366: Downloads
367: Home
368: Home
369: Community Forums
370: Community Forums
371: Community Forums
372: Community Forums
373: Your Account
374: Photo Gallery
375: Photo Gallery
376: Community Forums
377: Community Forums
378: Community Forums
379: Home
380: Community Forums
381: Home
382: Downloads
383: Community Forums
384: Photo Gallery
385: Community Forums
386: Home
387: Community Forums
388: Photo Gallery
389: Community Forums
390: Photo Gallery
391: Community Forums
392: Community Forums
393: Community Forums
394: Community Forums
395: Search
396: Your Account
397: Photo Gallery
398: Downloads
399: Community Forums
400: Community Forums
401: Community Forums
402: Photo Gallery
403: Community Forums
404: News
405: Photo Gallery
406: Downloads
407: Photo Gallery
408: Home
409: Community Forums
410: Community Forums
411: Community Forums
412: Community Forums
413: Community Forums
414: Community Forums
415: Member Screenshots
416: Photo Gallery
417: Community Forums
418: Community Forums
419: Community Forums
420: Photo Gallery
421: Community Forums
422: Community Forums
423: Community Forums
424: Community Forums
425: Community Forums
426: Community Forums
427: Home
428: Home
429: Community Forums
430: Community Forums
431: News
432: Community Forums
433: Community Forums
434: Community Forums
435: Photo Gallery
436: Community Forums
437: Community Forums
438: Downloads
439: Home
440: Community Forums
441: Community Forums
442: Community Forums
443: Community Forums
444: Community Forums
445: Community Forums
446: Community Forums
447: Community Forums
448: Community Forums
449: Photo Gallery
450: Community Forums
451: Community Forums
452: Photo Gallery
453: Downloads
454: Community Forums
455: Your Account
456: Community Forums
457: Member Screenshots
458: Community Forums
459: Community Forums
460: Community Forums
461: Community Forums
462: Downloads
463: Photo Gallery
464: Downloads
465: News
466: Community Forums
467: Community Forums
468: Photo Gallery
469: Community Forums
470: Photo Gallery
471: Community Forums
472: Home
473: Community Forums
474: Photo Gallery
475: Community Forums
476: Home
477: Downloads
478: Community Forums
479: Community Forums
480: Photo Gallery
481: Community Forums
482: Community Forums
483: Home
484: Community Forums
485: Photo Gallery
486: Home
487: Statistics
488: Community Forums
489: Community Forums
490: Downloads
491: Community Forums
492: Search
493: Community Forums
494: Home
495: Your Account
496: Community Forums
497: Photo Gallery
498: Community Forums
499: Community Forums
500: Community Forums
501: Community Forums
502: Home
503: CPGlang
504: Photo Gallery
505: Community Forums
506: Home
507: Home
508: Community Forums
509: Photo Gallery
510: Community Forums
511: Community Forums
512: Home
513: Community Forums
514: Home
515: Your Account
516: Downloads
517: News Archive
518: Home
519: Photo Gallery
520: Community Forums
521: Community Forums
522: Photo Gallery
523: Photo Gallery
524: Community Forums
525: Photo Gallery
526: Community Forums
527: Community Forums
528: Community Forums
529: Community Forums
530: Community Forums
531: Home
532: Community Forums
533: Community Forums
534: Community Forums
535: Downloads
536: Downloads
537: Photo Gallery
538: Community Forums
539: Photo Gallery
540: Community Forums
541: Community Forums
542: Photo Gallery
543: News
544: Community Forums
545: Photo Gallery
546: Community Forums
547: Community Forums
548: Photo Gallery
549: Photo Gallery
550: News
551: Downloads
552: Community Forums
553: Photo Gallery
554: Community Forums
555: Community Forums
556: Statistics
557: Photo Gallery
558: Community Forums
559: Community Forums
560: Community Forums
561: Community Forums
562: Downloads
563: Downloads
564: Home
565: Downloads
566: News Archive
567: Photo Gallery
568: Community Forums
569: Community Forums
570: Your Account
571: Photo Gallery
572: Community Forums
573: Community Forums
574: Community Forums
575: Community Forums
576: Community Forums
577: Community Forums
578: Downloads
579: Photo Gallery
580: Community Forums
581: Community Forums
582: Downloads
583: Photo Gallery
584: Community Forums
585: Community Forums
586: Community Forums
587: Community Forums
588: Home
589: Photo Gallery
590: Home
591: Photo Gallery
592: Community Forums
593: Community Forums
594: Home
595: Community Forums
596: Community Forums
597: Community Forums
598: Home
599: Community Forums
600: Community Forums
601: Community Forums
602: Community Forums
603: Community Forums
604: Downloads
605: Community Forums
606: Community Forums
607: Community Forums
608: Community Forums
609: Community Forums
610: Community Forums
611: Home
612: Community Forums
613: Downloads
614: Community Forums
615: Community Forums
616: Photo Gallery
617: Community Forums
618: Community Forums
619: Community Forums
620: Home
621: Community Forums
622: Community Forums
623: Community Forums
624: Downloads
625: Community Forums
626: Community Forums
627: Community Forums
628: Downloads
629: Community Forums
630: Community Forums
631: Community Forums
632: Photo Gallery
633: Community Forums
634: Community Forums
635: Home
636: Community Forums
637: Community Forums
638: Downloads
639: Downloads
640: Community Forums
641: Photo Gallery
642: Community Forums
643: Home
644: Community Forums
645: Community Forums
646: Community Forums
647: Community Forums
648: Community Forums
649: Community Forums
650: Community Forums
651: Community Forums
652: Photo Gallery
653: Home
654: Community Forums
655: Member Screenshots
656: Downloads
657: Community Forums
658: Community Forums
659: Community Forums
660: Community Forums
661: Community Forums
662: Member Screenshots
663: Community Forums
664: Photo Gallery
665: Downloads
666: Photo Gallery
667: Photo Gallery
668: Community Forums
669: Downloads
670: Community Forums
671: Community Forums
672: Community Forums
673: Community Forums
674: Community Forums
675: Home
676: Community Forums
677: Home
678: Community Forums
679: Your Account
680: Home
681: Community Forums
682: Photo Gallery
683: Photo Gallery
684: Community Forums
685: Community Forums
686: Home
687: Community Forums
688: Community Forums
689: Downloads
690: Community Forums
691: Community Forums
692: Community Forums
693: Home
694: Community Forums
695: Community Forums
696: Downloads
697: Photo Gallery
698: Downloads
699: Community Forums
700: Community Forums
701: Photo Gallery
702: Photo Gallery
703: Community Forums
704: Photo Gallery
705: News
706: Community Forums
707: Community Forums
708: Community Forums
709: Community Forums
710: Photo Gallery
711: Community Forums
712: Community Forums
713: Community Forums
714: Community Forums
715: Community Forums
716: Downloads
717: Community Forums
718: Community Forums
719: Community Forums
720: Community Forums
721: Community Forums
722: Community Forums
723: Photo Gallery
724: Downloads
725: Community Forums
726: Community Forums
727: Community Forums
728: Community Forums
729: Photo Gallery
730: Community Forums
731: Your Account
732: Home
733: Photo Gallery
734: Community Forums
735: Downloads
736: Your Account
737: Photo Gallery
738: Community Forums
739: Community Forums
740: Photo Gallery
741: Community Forums
742: Community Forums
743: Community Forums
744: Downloads
745: Community Forums
746: Community Forums
747: Community Forums
748: Community Forums
749: Community Forums
750: Community Forums
751: Home
752: Community Forums
753: Community Forums
754: Community Forums
755: Community Forums
756: Community Forums
757: Photo Gallery

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Panther Ausf.A salvaged in the Ukraine
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page Previous  1, 2
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:04 pm
Post subject: Re: Panther Ausf.A salvaged in the Ukraine

- Jens_O_Mehner
- Doug_Kibbey


Hah! He fell for it...just like ol' whatsizname on the train platform in "The Great Escape"!

"Your Okie ist good, Herr Mehner, and I hear alzo your English...your hands.....UP!" Twisted Evil


Pshaw,

your trap vas not half as gut as you thought, Amerikaner Mr. Green I'm a Polish pilot and supposed to test-fly the Hurricane...

Wasn't it Gordon Jackson aka Flight Lt. Sandy MacDonald ("Intelligence") who screwed up in "The Great Escape"? Cool

Cheers, Cool

Jens O.


Yes, I pulled from two "language" vignettes in that film, the first one with McDonald (I had even Google'd for the cast, but missed who it was) and the second one with Attenborough and everybody's favorite "bad German", Karl-Otto Alberty ("your hands....UP!")

As God is my witness, I actually saw re-runs on German TV, dubbed, of "Hogan's Heroes" once when staying in Duesseldorf for MEDICA...now that is just wrong! Laughing


Bob....are you sayin' it's too late for you to pick up those critical language skills?
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:56 pm
Post subject: Re: Panther Ausf.A salvaged in the Ukraine

I just need a refresher in Profanity and Southern. Actually I've found that the fluency in Profanity returns very quickly with the right environmental inputs (Like banging my knuckles working on the lawn tractor) . Picking up the third one would probably be a marriage limiting move at this point.

_________________
Bob Smart (bsmart@xecu.net)
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
palic
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 03, 2006
Posts: 172

PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:07 am
Post subject: Re: Panther Ausf.A salvaged in the Ukraine

So we can form at least one "A Team" more when speaking about language skills... I can speak Russian, too.
Certainly there is a "Seven Languages Dictionary of (former) Warsaw Treaty"...somewhere in my locker.
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:55 am
Post subject: Re: Panther Ausf.A salvaged in the Ukraine

- palic
So we can form at least one "A Team" more when speaking about language skills... I can speak Russian, too.
Certainly there is a "Seven Languages Dictionary of (former) Warsaw Treaty"...somewhere in my locker.


Excellent, you just doubled your exposure on the "duty roster"!

Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Rikard_Hufschmied
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 458
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:02 pm
Post subject: Re: Panther Ausf.A salvaged in the Ukraine

- Doug_Kibbey
- the_shadock
- Doug_Kibbey

Note to self: Make a list of our esteemed members with uniquely useful language skills and established willingness to help out. Wink


And you know what you are talking about !!

Pierre-Olivier


You're already on the list, Bud! (I just started making this, feel free to contribute or add yourself, looking for volunteers)

Polish: Polar
Czech: Palic
French: Pierre-Olivier
German: Jens_O_Mehner (probably speaks Okie, too, have my suspicions about this guy...)
Swedish: Rikard_Hufschmied
Chinese: famo
Russian: Taranov (pretty sure)
Portugese: Jose Valls (and my wife for backup in dire emergency)

...And I've got duplicates like Lesley and another Francophone (whose name is escaping me at the moment)


Ok, the gloves are off Smile

You can add Finnish (I'm half-Finn), Basic Profanity and the ability to order beer and ask directions to the "bog" in another approx. 15+ languages Smile

_________________
Frustra Nate Vive Devincere
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:15 pm
Post subject: Re: Panther Ausf.A salvaged in the Ukraine

- Rikard_Hufschmied

Ok, the gloves are off Smile

You can add Finnish (I'm half-Finn), Basic Profanity and the ability to order beer and ask directions to the "bog" in another approx. 15+ languages Smile


Another one we'll have to keep our eye on...I never trust trust a language where they double up on their vowels for no apparent reason*! Laughing


*(said more-or-less in jest...you should hear the crap I take from my wife about English...)
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Jens_O_Mehner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 511
Location: Giessen, Germany
PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:31 pm
Post subject: Re: Panther Ausf.A salvaged in the Ukraine

- Doug_Kibbey

Excellent, you just doubled your exposure on the "duty roster"!



I plead the Fifth on my knowledge of further languages, considering the obvious consequences... HEy, I could even say this in Dutch- aaarrgggh, shoot... Smile

Yep, I'll do basic profanity in a couple dozen languages and advanced in three or four, but I firmly deny any knowledge of whorehouse anything.

I've also been told by the locals in Southwest Asia that I barter like an Arab, but I cannot do it in Arabic, it's just one of those languages I'll never master- I'm giving some thought to learning Hindi, though, does anybody have any input on the difficulties of the spoken language?



Jens O.
Back to top
View user's profile
Rikard_Hufschmied
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 458
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:01 pm
Post subject: Re: Panther Ausf.A salvaged in the Ukraine

- palic
What is the reason you tend to use dumb authomatic translator... There is a native speaker...

Translation is here:
Discover your own Panther
Although I have seen the pictures of this turret here in the article written by Bé?a, there is „complete report about this Panther finding… She was discovered in the Ukraine IVO SHPOLA (?????) town. I am not informed about the exact date of discovery but it seem to be not topical event,....there is zimmerit coating visible on the turret and the number „234“. Right hand side of hull with roadwheels, idler wheel, drive sprocket and complete track are visible in the pics. These parts only have been discovered and excavated along with turret.
I am not sure about version of this Panther but I suppose her to be Ausführung A or better G according to „V“ chevrons visible on the "working parts" of track links. Even the drive sprocket seems to be simplified variant.
I have borrowed all my books on Panther to my buddy so we could definitely assess the version in the discussion below (the article).


Hope this "decyphered version" helps...


I did help, thanks Smile

Maybe someone should email (someone with the appropriate language skills) and tell that the Panther was completely salvaged (in pieces though) and that it without a doubt is an Ausf. A.

Picture of engine bay:


Quick analysis of make and damage:

_________________
Frustra Nate Vive Devincere
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Rikard_Hufschmied
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 458
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 7:21 am
Post subject: Re: Panther Ausf.A salvaged in the Ukraine

The Ukrainian Panther Ausf. A is now back on milweb through a UK dealer.

Link to advert:
www.milweb.net/classif...php?type=1

Link to UK dealer (who has promised more pictures shortly):
www.russiantruck.co.uk/

Much better quality picture of the heavily damaged hull:



It's in much worse shape than I initially guessed, the full right hull side is completely detached. It will be interesting to see more pictures to properly asses the structural damage.

_________________
Frustra Nate Vive Devincere
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 6:57 pm
Post subject: Re: Panther Ausf.A salvaged in the Ukraine

At least it is more or less secured in a western-Europe country and it will most probably be restored instead of rusting away in some scrapyard..


Pierre-Olivier

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 6:59 pm
Post subject: Re: Panther Ausf.A salvaged in the Ukraine

Well, I didn't see that the most recent picture was in fact taken at the same place than the older one and maybe it is still in Ukraine...

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Rikard_Hufschmied
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 458
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 8:01 am
Post subject: Re: Panther Ausf.A salvaged in the Ukraine

- the_shadock
Well, I didn't see that the most recent picture was in fact taken at the same place than the older one and maybe it is still in Ukraine...

P-O


As the webvert says "Located remote and deep in former Russian state but not in E.U" ... so it's a safe bet that it's still in the Ukraine.

_________________
Frustra Nate Vive Devincere
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 2 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page Previous  1, 2



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum