±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 818
Total: 818
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Community Forums
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: Community Forums
06: CPGlang
07: Community Forums
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Home
11: Community Forums
12: Photo Gallery
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Home
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: Community Forums
19: Photo Gallery
20: Photo Gallery
21: Photo Gallery
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Home
25: Community Forums
26: Photo Gallery
27: CPGlang
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Downloads
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: Photo Gallery
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: News
38: Photo Gallery
39: CPGlang
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Home
43: Photo Gallery
44: Downloads
45: Community Forums
46: Photo Gallery
47: CPGlang
48: News
49: Community Forums
50: Home
51: Member Screenshots
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Supporters
57: Community Forums
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: CPGlang
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Home
65: Home
66: Photo Gallery
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: CPGlang
71: Downloads
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Home
76: CPGlang
77: Community Forums
78: Downloads
79: Community Forums
80: Home
81: Home
82: Home
83: Your Account
84: Member Screenshots
85: Community Forums
86: CPGlang
87: Community Forums
88: Community Forums
89: Community Forums
90: Home
91: Photo Gallery
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: Community Forums
96: Community Forums
97: Community Forums
98: Photo Gallery
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Member Screenshots
102: Home
103: CPGlang
104: Community Forums
105: Downloads
106: Photo Gallery
107: CPGlang
108: Community Forums
109: Community Forums
110: Community Forums
111: CPGlang
112: Downloads
113: Community Forums
114: Community Forums
115: CPGlang
116: Downloads
117: Downloads
118: Photo Gallery
119: Community Forums
120: Community Forums
121: Community Forums
122: Community Forums
123: CPGlang
124: Home
125: CPGlang
126: Community Forums
127: Photo Gallery
128: Home
129: Community Forums
130: Community Forums
131: Your Account
132: Community Forums
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Home
136: Community Forums
137: Community Forums
138: Community Forums
139: Member Screenshots
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Home
145: Community Forums
146: Community Forums
147: Home
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: Community Forums
151: Community Forums
152: Home
153: Community Forums
154: Community Forums
155: Member Screenshots
156: Community Forums
157: CPGlang
158: Community Forums
159: Photo Gallery
160: Downloads
161: CPGlang
162: Community Forums
163: Home
164: Home
165: CPGlang
166: Community Forums
167: Photo Gallery
168: Member Screenshots
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Community Forums
172: Downloads
173: CPGlang
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Community Forums
177: Community Forums
178: Community Forums
179: Home
180: CPGlang
181: Statistics
182: Home
183: Member Screenshots
184: Photo Gallery
185: Community Forums
186: Community Forums
187: CPGlang
188: Community Forums
189: Community Forums
190: Home
191: Community Forums
192: Community Forums
193: CPGlang
194: Community Forums
195: Community Forums
196: Community Forums
197: Community Forums
198: Community Forums
199: Photo Gallery
200: Home
201: Photo Gallery
202: Community Forums
203: Community Forums
204: Community Forums
205: CPGlang
206: Community Forums
207: Photo Gallery
208: Downloads
209: Home
210: Community Forums
211: Community Forums
212: Home
213: CPGlang
214: Member Screenshots
215: Community Forums
216: Photo Gallery
217: Community Forums
218: Downloads
219: Community Forums
220: Community Forums
221: Photo Gallery
222: Home
223: Home
224: Community Forums
225: Photo Gallery
226: CPGlang
227: Photo Gallery
228: Home
229: Community Forums
230: CPGlang
231: Home
232: Photo Gallery
233: Home
234: Community Forums
235: Community Forums
236: Community Forums
237: Community Forums
238: CPGlang
239: Community Forums
240: Your Account
241: Community Forums
242: Community Forums
243: Member Screenshots
244: Community Forums
245: Community Forums
246: Community Forums
247: Home
248: Home
249: Community Forums
250: Photo Gallery
251: Community Forums
252: Community Forums
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Photo Gallery
256: Home
257: Community Forums
258: Home
259: Community Forums
260: Community Forums
261: Community Forums
262: Community Forums
263: Community Forums
264: Home
265: Community Forums
266: Member Screenshots
267: Home
268: Community Forums
269: Community Forums
270: Community Forums
271: Downloads
272: Downloads
273: Community Forums
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: CPGlang
277: Your Account
278: CPGlang
279: Member Screenshots
280: Community Forums
281: Community Forums
282: Member Screenshots
283: Community Forums
284: Community Forums
285: Downloads
286: Community Forums
287: Community Forums
288: Downloads
289: Community Forums
290: Member Screenshots
291: Community Forums
292: Community Forums
293: Photo Gallery
294: Community Forums
295: Downloads
296: Community Forums
297: Community Forums
298: Community Forums
299: Community Forums
300: Home
301: Community Forums
302: Home
303: Home
304: Community Forums
305: Community Forums
306: CPGlang
307: Photo Gallery
308: Community Forums
309: Member Screenshots
310: Home
311: Community Forums
312: Community Forums
313: Supporters
314: Community Forums
315: Community Forums
316: Home
317: Your Account
318: Home
319: Community Forums
320: Community Forums
321: Community Forums
322: Photo Gallery
323: CPGlang
324: CPGlang
325: CPGlang
326: Photo Gallery
327: Home
328: CPGlang
329: Photo Gallery
330: Community Forums
331: CPGlang
332: CPGlang
333: Member Screenshots
334: Photo Gallery
335: Your Account
336: Community Forums
337: Downloads
338: Community Forums
339: Downloads
340: Community Forums
341: Community Forums
342: Community Forums
343: Photo Gallery
344: Community Forums
345: Photo Gallery
346: Downloads
347: Photo Gallery
348: Community Forums
349: Community Forums
350: Community Forums
351: Member Screenshots
352: Community Forums
353: Community Forums
354: Community Forums
355: Community Forums
356: Member Screenshots
357: Community Forums
358: Community Forums
359: CPGlang
360: Community Forums
361: Photo Gallery
362: News
363: Community Forums
364: Community Forums
365: Community Forums
366: Community Forums
367: Home
368: CPGlang
369: Community Forums
370: Photo Gallery
371: News
372: Photo Gallery
373: Downloads
374: Home
375: Community Forums
376: Your Account
377: Your Account
378: Community Forums
379: Downloads
380: Photo Gallery
381: Photo Gallery
382: Community Forums
383: Community Forums
384: Member Screenshots
385: Community Forums
386: CPGlang
387: Community Forums
388: Community Forums
389: Community Forums
390: Community Forums
391: Community Forums
392: Community Forums
393: Community Forums
394: Community Forums
395: Community Forums
396: Community Forums
397: Home
398: Home
399: Community Forums
400: Community Forums
401: Community Forums
402: Photo Gallery
403: Statistics
404: Community Forums
405: Community Forums
406: Community Forums
407: Community Forums
408: Community Forums
409: Home
410: Community Forums
411: Home
412: CPGlang
413: Community Forums
414: Community Forums
415: Home
416: Community Forums
417: Community Forums
418: Community Forums
419: Community Forums
420: Member Screenshots
421: Home
422: Community Forums
423: Community Forums
424: Community Forums
425: Downloads
426: Community Forums
427: Home
428: Home
429: CPGlang
430: CPGlang
431: Member Screenshots
432: CPGlang
433: CPGlang
434: CPGlang
435: Community Forums
436: Photo Gallery
437: Photo Gallery
438: Community Forums
439: Member Screenshots
440: Member Screenshots
441: Community Forums
442: CPGlang
443: Your Account
444: Photo Gallery
445: Photo Gallery
446: Community Forums
447: Community Forums
448: Community Forums
449: Community Forums
450: Community Forums
451: Community Forums
452: Photo Gallery
453: CPGlang
454: Home
455: Community Forums
456: Home
457: Photo Gallery
458: Community Forums
459: Community Forums
460: CPGlang
461: Community Forums
462: Community Forums
463: Home
464: Community Forums
465: CPGlang
466: Community Forums
467: Downloads
468: Community Forums
469: Community Forums
470: Home
471: Community Forums
472: Community Forums
473: CPGlang
474: CPGlang
475: Community Forums
476: Home
477: Community Forums
478: Community Forums
479: Community Forums
480: Home
481: Photo Gallery
482: Photo Gallery
483: Community Forums
484: Community Forums
485: Community Forums
486: Your Account
487: Community Forums
488: Downloads
489: Community Forums
490: Community Forums
491: Photo Gallery
492: Photo Gallery
493: CPGlang
494: Community Forums
495: Photo Gallery
496: Photo Gallery
497: Photo Gallery
498: Community Forums
499: Photo Gallery
500: Community Forums
501: Community Forums
502: Community Forums
503: Community Forums
504: Community Forums
505: Photo Gallery
506: Community Forums
507: Community Forums
508: Photo Gallery
509: Downloads
510: Community Forums
511: Photo Gallery
512: Photo Gallery
513: Community Forums
514: Home
515: Community Forums
516: Photo Gallery
517: CPGlang
518: Photo Gallery
519: CPGlang
520: Member Screenshots
521: Community Forums
522: CPGlang
523: Member Screenshots
524: Home
525: Home
526: Community Forums
527: Home
528: Community Forums
529: Community Forums
530: Photo Gallery
531: Community Forums
532: Photo Gallery
533: Supporters
534: Community Forums
535: Community Forums
536: Community Forums
537: Community Forums
538: Community Forums
539: Community Forums
540: Community Forums
541: Home
542: Community Forums
543: News Archive
544: Photo Gallery
545: Community Forums
546: Community Forums
547: Community Forums
548: Community Forums
549: Home
550: Your Account
551: Member Screenshots
552: Community Forums
553: Photo Gallery
554: Community Forums
555: Community Forums
556: Community Forums
557: Home
558: Photo Gallery
559: Community Forums
560: Home
561: Community Forums
562: CPGlang
563: Community Forums
564: Community Forums
565: Community Forums
566: Community Forums
567: Community Forums
568: Home
569: Community Forums
570: Community Forums
571: Community Forums
572: Community Forums
573: Community Forums
574: Downloads
575: Community Forums
576: Photo Gallery
577: Community Forums
578: Home
579: CPGlang
580: CPGlang
581: Photo Gallery
582: News
583: Photo Gallery
584: Photo Gallery
585: Photo Gallery
586: Community Forums
587: Downloads
588: Community Forums
589: Photo Gallery
590: Community Forums
591: Photo Gallery
592: Community Forums
593: Community Forums
594: Community Forums
595: Photo Gallery
596: Community Forums
597: Community Forums
598: Community Forums
599: Photo Gallery
600: Photo Gallery
601: Community Forums
602: Photo Gallery
603: Community Forums
604: Photo Gallery
605: Photo Gallery
606: CPGlang
607: Community Forums
608: Community Forums
609: Community Forums
610: Photo Gallery
611: Community Forums
612: Photo Gallery
613: Community Forums
614: CPGlang
615: Home
616: Community Forums
617: Community Forums
618: Photo Gallery
619: Community Forums
620: Community Forums
621: Photo Gallery
622: Photo Gallery
623: CPGlang
624: Community Forums
625: Member Screenshots
626: Photo Gallery
627: Community Forums
628: Your Account
629: Photo Gallery
630: Downloads
631: Member Screenshots
632: Community Forums
633: Community Forums
634: Community Forums
635: Community Forums
636: Community Forums
637: Community Forums
638: Community Forums
639: Home
640: Downloads
641: Community Forums
642: Community Forums
643: Community Forums
644: Photo Gallery
645: Community Forums
646: Community Forums
647: Photo Gallery
648: Community Forums
649: Community Forums
650: Photo Gallery
651: Member Screenshots
652: Your Account
653: Photo Gallery
654: Community Forums
655: Community Forums
656: Home
657: Community Forums
658: Photo Gallery
659: Home
660: Community Forums
661: Photo Gallery
662: Community Forums
663: Community Forums
664: Photo Gallery
665: Community Forums
666: Community Forums
667: Community Forums
668: Photo Gallery
669: Community Forums
670: Community Forums
671: CPGlang
672: Home
673: Community Forums
674: Community Forums
675: Community Forums
676: Community Forums
677: Community Forums
678: Community Forums
679: Community Forums
680: Community Forums
681: CPGlang
682: Community Forums
683: Community Forums
684: Photo Gallery
685: Community Forums
686: Home
687: Community Forums
688: Photo Gallery
689: Home
690: Community Forums
691: CPGlang
692: Home
693: Community Forums
694: Community Forums
695: Photo Gallery
696: Downloads
697: Community Forums
698: Community Forums
699: Community Forums
700: Photo Gallery
701: Photo Gallery
702: Community Forums
703: Your Account
704: Community Forums
705: Photo Gallery
706: Home
707: Community Forums
708: Statistics
709: Community Forums
710: Community Forums
711: Community Forums
712: Photo Gallery
713: CPGlang
714: Member Screenshots
715: Community Forums
716: Photo Gallery
717: Photo Gallery
718: Community Forums
719: Statistics
720: Community Forums
721: Photo Gallery
722: Community Forums
723: Community Forums
724: Photo Gallery
725: Photo Gallery
726: Community Forums
727: CPGlang
728: CPGlang
729: Community Forums
730: Community Forums
731: Photo Gallery
732: Photo Gallery
733: Your Account
734: Community Forums
735: Community Forums
736: Community Forums
737: Community Forums
738: Member Screenshots
739: Downloads
740: Downloads
741: CPGlang
742: Home
743: Community Forums
744: Community Forums
745: Community Forums
746: Community Forums
747: Community Forums
748: CPGlang
749: Community Forums
750: Community Forums
751: Community Forums
752: Photo Gallery
753: Home
754: Community Forums
755: Community Forums
756: CPGlang
757: Community Forums
758: Downloads
759: Photo Gallery
760: Photo Gallery
761: CPGlang
762: CPGlang
763: Community Forums
764: Photo Gallery
765: Community Forums
766: Community Forums
767: Member Screenshots
768: Community Forums
769: Community Forums
770: Photo Gallery
771: Community Forums
772: Community Forums
773: Community Forums
774: Home
775: Downloads
776: Photo Gallery
777: Photo Gallery
778: Downloads
779: Community Forums
780: Photo Gallery
781: Community Forums
782: Community Forums
783: Community Forums
784: Community Forums
785: Photo Gallery
786: CPGlang
787: CPGlang
788: CPGlang
789: CPGlang
790: CPGlang
791: CPGlang
792: Community Forums
793: Member Screenshots
794: Community Forums
795: Community Forums
796: Photo Gallery
797: Downloads
798: Community Forums
799: Photo Gallery
800: Home
801: Photo Gallery
802: Community Forums
803: Community Forums
804: Home
805: CPGlang
806: Community Forums
807: Photo Gallery
808: Community Forums
809: Community Forums
810: Photo Gallery
811: Community Forums
812: Home
813: CPGlang
814: Community Forums
815: Home
816: Community Forums
817: Your Account
818: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Bergepanther at WTS Koblenz
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:57 pm
Post subject: Bergepanther at WTS Koblenz

Here are three pictures of the Bergepanther owned by the Wehrtechnische Studiensammlung at Koblenz in Germany.

First, a picture of it when it was recovered :



Then, a picture of the same vehicle being restored at an army facility in Darmstadt (Germany), taken in June 2006 :



Last, a picture of the tank, yet fully restored (I doubt it is in running condition), and it is now stored either at the WTS Storage or the German Army facilities at Trier.. I really hope it will be on display at Sinsheim museum, Koblenz WTS or Munster Panzer museum soon :



P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Dubliner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 94

PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:11 pm
Post subject: Re: Bergepanther at WTS Koblenz

nt


Last edited by Dubliner on Sat Mar 24, 2007 1:24 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:11 pm
Post subject: Re: Bergepanther at WTS Koblenz

There are more photos of this Bergepanther here, but you have to be registered to see it..

http://www.schatzsucher.de/Foren/showthread.php?t=10739&page=7

I don't know about the winch.. However I think that you may not expect this tank to recover your Panther if it goes off the road.. Cool

Pierre-Olivier

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
WimD.
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 11, 2007
Posts: 118
Location: The Netherlands
PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 7:08 pm
Post subject: Re: Bergepanther at WTS Koblenz

Saterday I visited the WTS, I saw that the Maybach HL 230 engine was missing.
I sent an e-mail and got an answer from Dr. Wirtgen, Leiter Wehrtechnische Studiensammlung.

The engine will be used in the Bergepanther!

Regards,
Wim.
Back to top
View user's profile
WimD.
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 11, 2007
Posts: 118
Location: The Netherlands
PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 7:25 pm
Post subject: Re: Bergepanther at WTS Koblenz

Untill now the engine was missing
Back to top
View user's profile
Michel_Krauss
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 30, 2009
Posts: 953
Location: Zuid-Holland, The Netherlands
PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 9:14 pm
Post subject: Re: Bergepanther at WTS Koblenz

- the_shadock
I don't know about the winch.. However I think that you may not expect this tank to recover your Panther if it goes off the road


I have been checking this and found some info on the German Panzer-Archiv forum

There is an wicnh for this Bergepanther, it came from the Bovington tank museum
On the forum is also an short history of this Bergepanther

I hope I got the translation right:

It was the for last Panther of the DaimlerBenz production plant in Berlin
There is an shot through the rearplate
It ended up in France, where it was used for testing land mines and has been standing around for an long time at Bourges, France
The spade at the rear was copied and rebuild at Rheinmetall, Germany

Michel

_________________
I'm Not Crazy, I'm Just Not You
Back to top
View user's profile
WimD.
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 11, 2007
Posts: 118
Location: The Netherlands
PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:00 pm
Post subject: Re: Bergepanther at WTS Koblenz

"shot through the rearplate"
Back to top
View user's profile
L.Delsing
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 10, 2006
Posts: 960

PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:38 pm
Post subject: Re: Bergepanther at WTS Koblenz

Wim,
Do you have a log of the vehicles you ''spotted'' at the WTS?

Regards,
Lesley
Back to top
View user's profile
WimD.
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 11, 2007
Posts: 118
Location: The Netherlands
PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 7:05 pm
Post subject: Re: Bergepanther at WTS Koblenz

Lesley,

No, I do not have a log.
For nice pictures see: www.jagdtiger.de/index2.htm

Regards,
Wim.
Back to top
View user's profile
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:29 am
Post subject: Re: Bergepanther at WTS Koblenz

On the topic of surviving Bergpanthers.

I found photos of at least one Bergpanther in the US. I believe APG had one. Does anyone know where it went, if it is not 'hidden' at APG? (Neil...?)

The reason for this line of questioning, is I'm trying to confirm (or deny... ?) a possible second Bergpanther coming to the US in 1946.

Who knows, perhaps there is another survivor just sitting in 'the bushes' (somewhere close to here) waiting to be rediscovered.

Regards
Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
armyjunk2
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 22, 2006
Posts: 1416

PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:08 pm
Post subject: Re: Bergepanther at WTS Koblenz

I'm going there next week want me to look for anything in particular? I will attempt to do any request.....if I can
Back to top
View user's profile
Koluchiy
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 19, 2009
Posts: 178

PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:47 pm
Post subject: Re: Bergepanther at WTS Koblenz

Maybe, Panther' interior? Smile

_________________
RTY on other forums;

Looking for Pz.IV manuals D 653/2 Erzatsteilliste(pictures), D 653/10, D 653/25 (Handbuch fur den Panzerfahrer), D 653/50b, D 653/50c, D653/51
Looking for Maybach HL120 repair instruction...
(Copyes or scans)
Can pay money or exchange
Back to top
View user's profile
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:13 pm
Post subject: Re: Bergepanther at WTS Koblenz

Updated nesw/pictures of the Semovente M41 da 90/53 would be nice. Thanks.

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
armyjunk2
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 22, 2006
Posts: 1416

PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:24 pm
Post subject: Re: Bergepanther at WTS Koblenz

Went to Koblenz today, We were told the Panther is being restored and the Semovente M41 da 90/53 wasn't anywhere around. Sorry no photos, I tried..........If they have another storage area the person we talked to didn't know about it. nice museum, well worth the visit....
Back to top
View user's profile
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:53 am
Post subject: Re: Bergepanther at WTS Koblenz

Sorry, my mistake, I've got the impression you were visiting APG, not Koblenz!
Have you seen the german 24 cm gun in Koblenz? That should be impressive. Are you touring Germany? Sinsheim and Munster are worth a visit as well.
Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum