±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 595
Total: 595
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Search
02: Community Forums
03: Home
04: Community Forums
05: Community Forums
06: Community Forums
07: Photo Gallery
08: Community Forums
09: Member Screenshots
10: Photo Gallery
11: Home
12: Member Screenshots
13: Photo Gallery
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Home
17: Community Forums
18: Downloads
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Your Account
24: Community Forums
25: News Archive
26: Home
27: Community Forums
28: Downloads
29: Community Forums
30: Downloads
31: Community Forums
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: Community Forums
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Your Account
39: Community Forums
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Search
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Community Forums
46: Community Forums
47: Community Forums
48: Photo Gallery
49: Community Forums
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Community Forums
57: Community Forums
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Home
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: Your Account
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: Community Forums
71: Downloads
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Home
77: Photo Gallery
78: Community Forums
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Photo Gallery
83: Downloads
84: Community Forums
85: Community Forums
86: Community Forums
87: CPGlang
88: Community Forums
89: Community Forums
90: Photo Gallery
91: Home
92: Community Forums
93: Photo Gallery
94: Community Forums
95: Downloads
96: Downloads
97: Community Forums
98: Community Forums
99: Downloads
100: Community Forums
101: Home
102: Community Forums
103: Community Forums
104: Home
105: Home
106: Home
107: Member Screenshots
108: Home
109: Community Forums
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: CPGlang
114: Community Forums
115: Community Forums
116: Photo Gallery
117: Home
118: Photo Gallery
119: Community Forums
120: Community Forums
121: Photo Gallery
122: Community Forums
123: Your Account
124: Your Account
125: Photo Gallery
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Community Forums
129: Photo Gallery
130: Community Forums
131: Community Forums
132: Community Forums
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Photo Gallery
136: Photo Gallery
137: Community Forums
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Community Forums
145: Community Forums
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: Photo Gallery
151: Community Forums
152: Photo Gallery
153: Search
154: Photo Gallery
155: Community Forums
156: Photo Gallery
157: Photo Gallery
158: Photo Gallery
159: Community Forums
160: Community Forums
161: Photo Gallery
162: Downloads
163: Photo Gallery
164: Community Forums
165: Home
166: Community Forums
167: Photo Gallery
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Photo Gallery
171: Community Forums
172: Community Forums
173: Home
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Community Forums
177: Home
178: Community Forums
179: Downloads
180: Community Forums
181: Community Forums
182: Photo Gallery
183: Community Forums
184: Home
185: Community Forums
186: Home
187: Community Forums
188: Community Forums
189: Photo Gallery
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: Community Forums
193: News Archive
194: Home
195: Community Forums
196: Photo Gallery
197: Community Forums
198: Community Forums
199: Community Forums
200: Community Forums
201: Photo Gallery
202: Community Forums
203: Community Forums
204: Photo Gallery
205: Photo Gallery
206: Community Forums
207: Photo Gallery
208: Home
209: Community Forums
210: Community Forums
211: Your Account
212: Community Forums
213: Community Forums
214: Community Forums
215: CPGlang
216: Community Forums
217: Photo Gallery
218: Community Forums
219: Photo Gallery
220: Home
221: Photo Gallery
222: Community Forums
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: Home
226: Home
227: Community Forums
228: Community Forums
229: Photo Gallery
230: Home
231: Photo Gallery
232: Photo Gallery
233: Community Forums
234: Community Forums
235: Community Forums
236: Community Forums
237: Photo Gallery
238: Home
239: Community Forums
240: Community Forums
241: Community Forums
242: Community Forums
243: Community Forums
244: Community Forums
245: Community Forums
246: Statistics
247: Community Forums
248: Community Forums
249: Community Forums
250: Community Forums
251: Community Forums
252: Downloads
253: Community Forums
254: Photo Gallery
255: Community Forums
256: Home
257: Community Forums
258: Community Forums
259: Community Forums
260: Community Forums
261: Community Forums
262: Community Forums
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Home
266: Community Forums
267: Photo Gallery
268: Your Account
269: Community Forums
270: Community Forums
271: Downloads
272: News Archive
273: Community Forums
274: Home
275: Home
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Statistics
279: Home
280: Photo Gallery
281: Community Forums
282: Community Forums
283: Photo Gallery
284: Community Forums
285: Community Forums
286: Community Forums
287: Community Forums
288: Downloads
289: Photo Gallery
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Photo Gallery
293: Photo Gallery
294: Photo Gallery
295: Your Account
296: Home
297: Community Forums
298: Photo Gallery
299: Community Forums
300: Community Forums
301: Community Forums
302: Photo Gallery
303: Photo Gallery
304: Photo Gallery
305: Community Forums
306: Community Forums
307: Community Forums
308: Community Forums
309: Community Forums
310: Community Forums
311: Community Forums
312: Home
313: Community Forums
314: Community Forums
315: Photo Gallery
316: Community Forums
317: Your Account
318: Photo Gallery
319: Community Forums
320: Member Screenshots
321: Community Forums
322: Home
323: Photo Gallery
324: Downloads
325: Home
326: Community Forums
327: Community Forums
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: Community Forums
331: Home
332: Community Forums
333: Community Forums
334: Community Forums
335: Your Account
336: Community Forums
337: Community Forums
338: CPGlang
339: Your Account
340: Community Forums
341: Photo Gallery
342: Home
343: Community Forums
344: Community Forums
345: Community Forums
346: Home
347: Photo Gallery
348: Community Forums
349: Community Forums
350: CPGlang
351: Community Forums
352: Community Forums
353: Community Forums
354: Photo Gallery
355: Home
356: Photo Gallery
357: Community Forums
358: Home
359: Community Forums
360: Community Forums
361: Home
362: Community Forums
363: Home
364: Downloads
365: Member Screenshots
366: Community Forums
367: Community Forums
368: Community Forums
369: Community Forums
370: Community Forums
371: Community Forums
372: Photo Gallery
373: Community Forums
374: Community Forums
375: Community Forums
376: Member Screenshots
377: Community Forums
378: Photo Gallery
379: Community Forums
380: Community Forums
381: Community Forums
382: Community Forums
383: Your Account
384: Photo Gallery
385: Community Forums
386: Community Forums
387: Community Forums
388: Statistics
389: CPGlang
390: Community Forums
391: Community Forums
392: Downloads
393: Home
394: Home
395: Community Forums
396: Community Forums
397: Home
398: Community Forums
399: Community Forums
400: Community Forums
401: Community Forums
402: Community Forums
403: Community Forums
404: Community Forums
405: Community Forums
406: Community Forums
407: Community Forums
408: Community Forums
409: Community Forums
410: Community Forums
411: Community Forums
412: Community Forums
413: Community Forums
414: Community Forums
415: Community Forums
416: Community Forums
417: Supporters
418: Home
419: Home
420: Community Forums
421: Photo Gallery
422: Home
423: Statistics
424: Community Forums
425: Community Forums
426: Community Forums
427: Community Forums
428: Community Forums
429: Downloads
430: Community Forums
431: Community Forums
432: Photo Gallery
433: Your Account
434: Community Forums
435: Community Forums
436: Community Forums
437: Downloads
438: Community Forums
439: Community Forums
440: Home
441: Community Forums
442: Community Forums
443: Home
444: Home
445: Home
446: Community Forums
447: Photo Gallery
448: Downloads
449: Community Forums
450: Photo Gallery
451: Community Forums
452: Community Forums
453: Photo Gallery
454: Downloads
455: Community Forums
456: Community Forums
457: Photo Gallery
458: Home
459: News Archive
460: Photo Gallery
461: Community Forums
462: Member Screenshots
463: Community Forums
464: Community Forums
465: Community Forums
466: Treasury
467: Photo Gallery
468: Community Forums
469: Photo Gallery
470: Downloads
471: Community Forums
472: Photo Gallery
473: Community Forums
474: Downloads
475: Community Forums
476: Community Forums
477: Community Forums
478: Community Forums
479: Community Forums
480: Member Screenshots
481: Photo Gallery
482: Community Forums
483: Community Forums
484: Community Forums
485: Member Screenshots
486: Home
487: Home
488: Community Forums
489: Community Forums
490: Home
491: Community Forums
492: Community Forums
493: Community Forums
494: Community Forums
495: Community Forums
496: Community Forums
497: Community Forums
498: Photo Gallery
499: Community Forums
500: Community Forums
501: Community Forums
502: Community Forums
503: News Archive
504: Community Forums
505: Community Forums
506: Community Forums
507: Member Screenshots
508: Community Forums
509: Downloads
510: Community Forums
511: Community Forums
512: Home
513: Home
514: CPGlang
515: Community Forums
516: Community Forums
517: Community Forums
518: Photo Gallery
519: Community Forums
520: Community Forums
521: Community Forums
522: Community Forums
523: Member Screenshots
524: Downloads
525: Home
526: Community Forums
527: Community Forums
528: Community Forums
529: Photo Gallery
530: Community Forums
531: Community Forums
532: Photo Gallery
533: Home
534: Community Forums
535: Community Forums
536: Community Forums
537: Community Forums
538: Photo Gallery
539: Community Forums
540: Home
541: Community Forums
542: Community Forums
543: Community Forums
544: Community Forums
545: Community Forums
546: Community Forums
547: Home
548: Downloads
549: Community Forums
550: Community Forums
551: Community Forums
552: Home
553: Home
554: Home
555: Community Forums
556: Community Forums
557: Community Forums
558: Community Forums
559: Photo Gallery
560: Community Forums
561: Photo Gallery
562: News
563: Downloads
564: Photo Gallery
565: Community Forums
566: Community Forums
567: Community Forums
568: Community Forums
569: Community Forums
570: Home
571: Community Forums
572: Photo Gallery
573: Home
574: Home
575: Community Forums
576: Community Forums
577: Your Account
578: Photo Gallery
579: Downloads
580: Community Forums
581: Photo Gallery
582: Downloads
583: Member Screenshots
584: Member Screenshots
585: Home
586: Member Screenshots
587: Photo Gallery
588: Community Forums
589: Photo Gallery
590: Community Forums
591: Home
592: Community Forums
593: Community Forums
594: Community Forums
595: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Mercedes-White
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 12:10 pm
Post subject: Mercedes-White

I am opening a dedicated thread, since this vehicle is quite an enigma.
It's stored outdoor in North Italy:
www.museogottardpark.it/

The current owner knows nothing about its past, the old man is very passionated, but many artifacts have wrong identifications (like a FV432 identified as WW II...).





Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 12:12 pm
Post subject: Re: Mercedes-White

More details about the pump (or whatever it is):







Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
Pzkpfw-e
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jul 21, 2010
Posts: 1202

PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 4:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Mercedes-White

Pity the data plates are missing, I've tried Googling the name on the pump motor, but I'm not sure what the name is, the closest appears to be "Colk Motor Company", Indianapolis.
I'll cross post onto the HMVF and see if anyone there knows.
Back to top
View user's profile
jch_in_uk
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 25, 2006
Posts: 29

PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 6:41 pm
Post subject: Re: Mercedes-White

Judging from the rivets on the tank, it could be a water tank. Despite the colour I wonder if it is designed for firefighting in remote areas?

jch
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 9:21 pm
Post subject: Re: Mercedes-White

Is the thing on the vehicle right a pump or aux motor? Looks almost like a muffler on there.

Main pump seems to be on vehicle left. Tracked vehicle with such a small tank for firefighing? I wonder more about refueling, though the rivets are confusing. I suppose with the right gasketing material.....
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
C_Sherman
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 590

PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:51 am
Post subject: Re: Mercedes-White

Hi,

I'm thinking that's a pump. The large cylinder looks like a filter unit to me, which leads to the question of what was in the tank that needed filtering.

Chuck

_________________
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it
will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.
-Herm Albright

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc!
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
VonForhud
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 17, 2010
Posts: 162

PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:49 pm
Post subject: Re: Mercedes-White

Its an old fire engine maybe from an airfield, could also be a refueling truck modified for Russian conditions with the belts.
Back to top
View user's profile
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:15 pm
Post subject: Re: Mercedes-White

At this stage I would love to at least understand if it was converted to "Maultier" in WW II or at a later date. Unfortunately we have no answer even to this fundamental question Sad

Please feel free to post the pictures to other forums, friends or online communities. The more people will look at it the better chance we could figure out something.

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
Pzkpfw-e
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jul 21, 2010
Posts: 1202

PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:50 pm
Post subject: Re: Mercedes-White

I posted on the HMVF forum, hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/sho...post237289
The suggestion is it's an Italian, late 1940s job, auxillary engine by Folkmotor, copied from Condor.
Back to top
View user's profile
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:33 pm
Post subject: Re: Mercedes-White

Excellent! I just found some reference to Folkmotor. Looks like a few engineers left Guidetti (maker of the Condor engine) and launched their own company, called Folkmotor, who did an engine that looks like an evolution of the Condor. I've read the engineers left during WW II, but it's not clear if they started the new company during, or after the war.

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:43 pm
Post subject: Re: Mercedes-White

Just a quick update, FolkMotor was founded in 1945, just after the war. Here you can find some info (in italian):
www.tractorum.it/forum...dex10.html

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
Michel_Krauss
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 30, 2009
Posts: 953
Location: Zuid-Holland, The Netherlands
PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:33 pm
Post subject: Re: Mercedes-White

I took it in an other direction and started with the truck Mr. Green

Could not find an 100% match, however the trucks that where build at Mercedes late 40´s and early 50´s are the most similar
Especialy the type L 3500

It would also fit the time frame given by the HMVF site

This chassis was very popular for fire trucks, because it was very robust

Michel

_________________
I'm Not Crazy, I'm Just Not You
Back to top
View user's profile
Michel_Krauss
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 30, 2009
Posts: 953
Location: Zuid-Holland, The Netherlands
PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:50 pm
Post subject: Re: Mercedes-White

I have been looking at this photo and I have seen this type of manual pump before



It looks very similar to the handpumps used during WW2 (most likely still used today) to transfer fuel from barrels to vehicle´s

So it could have been an army re-fuel vehicle or used on airfields

Michel

_________________
I'm Not Crazy, I'm Just Not You
Back to top
View user's profile
Pzkpfw-e
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jul 21, 2010
Posts: 1202

PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:45 am
Post subject: Re: Mercedes-White

I can't see much use for a semi-track on an airfield, especially post-WW2. How about for use in forestry? Perhaps a water or fuel tanker?
Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum