±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 762
Total: 762
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Community Forums
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: Community Forums
06: Community Forums
07: News Archive
08: Member Screenshots
09: Community Forums
10: Community Forums
11: Home
12: Community Forums
13: Home
14: Photo Gallery
15: Downloads
16: Photo Gallery
17: Community Forums
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: Downloads
21: Community Forums
22: Home
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Statistics
27: Downloads
28: Community Forums
29: Statistics
30: Photo Gallery
31: Downloads
32: Photo Gallery
33: Community Forums
34: Community Forums
35: Photo Gallery
36: CPGlang
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: Home
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Photo Gallery
44: Community Forums
45: Community Forums
46: News Archive
47: Community Forums
48: Community Forums
49: Community Forums
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Your Account
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Photo Gallery
57: News Archive
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Statistics
61: Downloads
62: Photo Gallery
63: Home
64: Community Forums
65: Photo Gallery
66: Photo Gallery
67: Home
68: Member Screenshots
69: Your Account
70: Home
71: Downloads
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: Photo Gallery
79: Home
80: Photo Gallery
81: Community Forums
82: Your Account
83: Home
84: Community Forums
85: Photo Gallery
86: Community Forums
87: Community Forums
88: Downloads
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: CPGlang
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: Home
96: Photo Gallery
97: Photo Gallery
98: Community Forums
99: Community Forums
100: Search
101: Photo Gallery
102: Community Forums
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: Home
106: Photo Gallery
107: Community Forums
108: Home
109: Community Forums
110: Photo Gallery
111: Photo Gallery
112: Photo Gallery
113: Home
114: Member Screenshots
115: Photo Gallery
116: News Archive
117: Photo Gallery
118: Community Forums
119: Downloads
120: Community Forums
121: Downloads
122: Community Forums
123: Community Forums
124: Community Forums
125: Photo Gallery
126: Community Forums
127: Home
128: Community Forums
129: Photo Gallery
130: Community Forums
131: Community Forums
132: Downloads
133: Photo Gallery
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: Photo Gallery
138: Community Forums
139: Home
140: Home
141: Home
142: Home
143: Community Forums
144: Downloads
145: Photo Gallery
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: Downloads
151: Community Forums
152: Community Forums
153: Photo Gallery
154: Downloads
155: Community Forums
156: Downloads
157: Community Forums
158: Community Forums
159: Photo Gallery
160: Photo Gallery
161: Photo Gallery
162: Downloads
163: Community Forums
164: Photo Gallery
165: Community Forums
166: Community Forums
167: Community Forums
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Downloads
171: Community Forums
172: Home
173: Community Forums
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: CPGlang
177: Photo Gallery
178: Community Forums
179: Community Forums
180: Your Account
181: Photo Gallery
182: Statistics
183: Home
184: Your Account
185: Photo Gallery
186: Your Account
187: Community Forums
188: Photo Gallery
189: CPGlang
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: Photo Gallery
193: Home
194: Home
195: Community Forums
196: Home
197: Community Forums
198: Downloads
199: Photo Gallery
200: Community Forums
201: Community Forums
202: Community Forums
203: Home
204: Home
205: Home
206: Community Forums
207: Photo Gallery
208: Photo Gallery
209: Community Forums
210: Community Forums
211: Member Screenshots
212: Photo Gallery
213: Home
214: Home
215: Photo Gallery
216: Community Forums
217: Community Forums
218: Photo Gallery
219: Home
220: Photo Gallery
221: Community Forums
222: Community Forums
223: CPGlang
224: Community Forums
225: Home
226: Statistics
227: Photo Gallery
228: Community Forums
229: Community Forums
230: CPGlang
231: Downloads
232: Community Forums
233: CPGlang
234: Your Account
235: Photo Gallery
236: Photo Gallery
237: CPGlang
238: Community Forums
239: Community Forums
240: Community Forums
241: Home
242: Community Forums
243: Community Forums
244: Community Forums
245: Community Forums
246: Community Forums
247: Community Forums
248: Member Screenshots
249: Community Forums
250: Community Forums
251: Photo Gallery
252: Community Forums
253: Community Forums
254: Home
255: Community Forums
256: Downloads
257: Community Forums
258: Photo Gallery
259: Community Forums
260: Community Forums
261: Home
262: Community Forums
263: Home
264: Statistics
265: Community Forums
266: Home
267: Community Forums
268: Community Forums
269: Downloads
270: Downloads
271: Community Forums
272: Community Forums
273: Community Forums
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: Community Forums
277: Member Screenshots
278: Community Forums
279: Downloads
280: Photo Gallery
281: Community Forums
282: Community Forums
283: Photo Gallery
284: Community Forums
285: Member Screenshots
286: Community Forums
287: Home
288: Community Forums
289: Photo Gallery
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Community Forums
293: Community Forums
294: Photo Gallery
295: Photo Gallery
296: Home
297: Community Forums
298: Community Forums
299: Community Forums
300: Downloads
301: Home
302: Community Forums
303: Community Forums
304: Community Forums
305: Photo Gallery
306: Your Account
307: Community Forums
308: Community Forums
309: Community Forums
310: Community Forums
311: Photo Gallery
312: Community Forums
313: Community Forums
314: Photo Gallery
315: Member Screenshots
316: Photo Gallery
317: Community Forums
318: Home
319: Community Forums
320: Home
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums
323: Photo Gallery
324: Community Forums
325: Photo Gallery
326: Community Forums
327: Community Forums
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: Home
331: Community Forums
332: Community Forums
333: CPGlang
334: Community Forums
335: Community Forums
336: News Archive
337: Community Forums
338: Community Forums
339: Community Forums
340: Community Forums
341: Community Forums
342: Community Forums
343: Community Forums
344: Downloads
345: Community Forums
346: Community Forums
347: Your Account
348: Home
349: Home
350: Home
351: Your Account
352: Downloads
353: Downloads
354: Community Forums
355: Community Forums
356: Community Forums
357: Community Forums
358: Community Forums
359: Downloads
360: Downloads
361: Photo Gallery
362: Community Forums
363: Community Forums
364: Photo Gallery
365: Photo Gallery
366: Community Forums
367: Downloads
368: Photo Gallery
369: Photo Gallery
370: Photo Gallery
371: Community Forums
372: Community Forums
373: Community Forums
374: Community Forums
375: News Archive
376: Community Forums
377: Community Forums
378: Community Forums
379: Downloads
380: Photo Gallery
381: Community Forums
382: CPGlang
383: Downloads
384: Community Forums
385: Home
386: Photo Gallery
387: Community Forums
388: Community Forums
389: Photo Gallery
390: Downloads
391: Photo Gallery
392: Community Forums
393: Community Forums
394: Community Forums
395: Community Forums
396: Photo Gallery
397: Photo Gallery
398: Community Forums
399: Photo Gallery
400: Community Forums
401: Member Screenshots
402: Community Forums
403: Downloads
404: Photo Gallery
405: Community Forums
406: Community Forums
407: Community Forums
408: Downloads
409: Community Forums
410: Community Forums
411: CPGlang
412: Community Forums
413: Community Forums
414: Community Forums
415: Community Forums
416: Community Forums
417: Home
418: Community Forums
419: CPGlang
420: Community Forums
421: Community Forums
422: Photo Gallery
423: Downloads
424: Home
425: Your Account
426: Community Forums
427: Community Forums
428: Home
429: Downloads
430: Community Forums
431: Community Forums
432: Community Forums
433: Downloads
434: Photo Gallery
435: Home
436: Home
437: Community Forums
438: Community Forums
439: Downloads
440: Community Forums
441: Community Forums
442: Downloads
443: Photo Gallery
444: Community Forums
445: Community Forums
446: Community Forums
447: Community Forums
448: Community Forums
449: Photo Gallery
450: Community Forums
451: Community Forums
452: Community Forums
453: Community Forums
454: Community Forums
455: Community Forums
456: Community Forums
457: Photo Gallery
458: Downloads
459: Community Forums
460: Community Forums
461: Your Account
462: Community Forums
463: Community Forums
464: Downloads
465: Home
466: Downloads
467: Community Forums
468: Community Forums
469: Photo Gallery
470: Community Forums
471: Home
472: Community Forums
473: Home
474: Member Screenshots
475: Community Forums
476: Photo Gallery
477: Community Forums
478: Community Forums
479: Community Forums
480: CPGlang
481: Community Forums
482: Photo Gallery
483: Home
484: Community Forums
485: Community Forums
486: Community Forums
487: Community Forums
488: CPGlang
489: Photo Gallery
490: Community Forums
491: Photo Gallery
492: Photo Gallery
493: Home
494: Community Forums
495: Photo Gallery
496: Community Forums
497: Community Forums
498: Community Forums
499: Community Forums
500: Member Screenshots
501: Community Forums
502: Downloads
503: Downloads
504: Community Forums
505: Community Forums
506: Community Forums
507: Home
508: Community Forums
509: Community Forums
510: Downloads
511: Community Forums
512: Statistics
513: Community Forums
514: Your Account
515: Downloads
516: Downloads
517: Downloads
518: Community Forums
519: Community Forums
520: Community Forums
521: Community Forums
522: Community Forums
523: Downloads
524: Photo Gallery
525: Downloads
526: Community Forums
527: Downloads
528: Photo Gallery
529: Community Forums
530: Community Forums
531: Community Forums
532: Downloads
533: Downloads
534: Photo Gallery
535: Community Forums
536: Community Forums
537: Community Forums
538: Downloads
539: Community Forums
540: Home
541: Community Forums
542: Your Account
543: Community Forums
544: Home
545: CPGlang
546: Community Forums
547: Community Forums
548: Community Forums
549: Your Account
550: Community Forums
551: Community Forums
552: Community Forums
553: Statistics
554: Home
555: Community Forums
556: Community Forums
557: Community Forums
558: Photo Gallery
559: Community Forums
560: Photo Gallery
561: Community Forums
562: Community Forums
563: Home
564: Community Forums
565: Photo Gallery
566: Community Forums
567: Community Forums
568: Community Forums
569: Photo Gallery
570: Home
571: Community Forums
572: Community Forums
573: Community Forums
574: Community Forums
575: CPGlang
576: CPGlang
577: Community Forums
578: Home
579: Community Forums
580: Community Forums
581: Community Forums
582: Community Forums
583: Photo Gallery
584: Photo Gallery
585: Community Forums
586: Your Account
587: Home
588: Community Forums
589: Community Forums
590: Community Forums
591: Downloads
592: Community Forums
593: Photo Gallery
594: Community Forums
595: Community Forums
596: Photo Gallery
597: Community Forums
598: Community Forums
599: Community Forums
600: Home
601: Community Forums
602: Community Forums
603: Community Forums
604: Photo Gallery
605: Photo Gallery
606: Community Forums
607: Community Forums
608: Community Forums
609: Community Forums
610: Downloads
611: Home
612: Photo Gallery
613: Community Forums
614: Home
615: Community Forums
616: Community Forums
617: Community Forums
618: Community Forums
619: Community Forums
620: Community Forums
621: Home
622: Community Forums
623: Community Forums
624: Community Forums
625: Photo Gallery
626: Community Forums
627: Community Forums
628: Downloads
629: Home
630: Community Forums
631: Home
632: Downloads
633: Statistics
634: Photo Gallery
635: Community Forums
636: Community Forums
637: Photo Gallery
638: Member Screenshots
639: Community Forums
640: Photo Gallery
641: Downloads
642: Community Forums
643: Community Forums
644: Community Forums
645: Community Forums
646: Downloads
647: Home
648: Photo Gallery
649: Home
650: Community Forums
651: Downloads
652: Downloads
653: Community Forums
654: Home
655: Photo Gallery
656: Community Forums
657: Photo Gallery
658: Community Forums
659: Photo Gallery
660: Downloads
661: Community Forums
662: Community Forums
663: Community Forums
664: Home
665: Downloads
666: Community Forums
667: Your Account
668: Downloads
669: Community Forums
670: Community Forums
671: Photo Gallery
672: Community Forums
673: Community Forums
674: Community Forums
675: Downloads
676: Community Forums
677: Community Forums
678: Photo Gallery
679: Photo Gallery
680: Community Forums
681: Community Forums
682: Downloads
683: Community Forums
684: Community Forums
685: Downloads
686: Community Forums
687: Community Forums
688: Community Forums
689: Photo Gallery
690: Community Forums
691: Photo Gallery
692: Community Forums
693: Community Forums
694: Community Forums
695: Downloads
696: Community Forums
697: Community Forums
698: Home
699: Community Forums
700: Downloads
701: Photo Gallery
702: Community Forums
703: Downloads
704: Community Forums
705: Community Forums
706: Community Forums
707: Downloads
708: Community Forums
709: CPGlang
710: Community Forums
711: Community Forums
712: Community Forums
713: Community Forums
714: Photo Gallery
715: Community Forums
716: Community Forums
717: Community Forums
718: Community Forums
719: Community Forums
720: Community Forums
721: Community Forums
722: Community Forums
723: Community Forums
724: Community Forums
725: Downloads
726: Community Forums
727: Community Forums
728: Photo Gallery
729: Community Forums
730: Community Forums
731: Photo Gallery
732: Community Forums
733: Community Forums
734: Community Forums
735: Community Forums
736: Community Forums
737: Community Forums
738: Photo Gallery
739: Community Forums
740: Photo Gallery
741: Community Forums
742: Downloads
743: Community Forums
744: Your Account
745: Downloads
746: Community Forums
747: Community Forums
748: Community Forums
749: Community Forums
750: Community Forums
751: Community Forums
752: Community Forums
753: Home
754: Community Forums
755: Community Forums
756: Home
757: News
758: Community Forums
759: Community Forums
760: Community Forums
761: Community Forums
762: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Bastogne Barracks
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Walter
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 09, 2010
Posts: 618
Location: Arnhem
PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 6:50 pm
Post subject: Bastogne Barracks

I was in Bastogne Barracks and saw this Cromwell in the workshop
According to P-O it is not yey documented in the PDF lists
Does anyone has more info about this one ?

Walter
Back to top
View user's profile
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 9:06 pm
Post subject: Re: Bastogne Barracks

What's the current status over there, is the collection open to the public on a regular basis?

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
Walter
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 09, 2010
Posts: 618
Location: Arnhem
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 1:19 pm
Post subject: Re: Bastogne Barracks

Open from Tuesday till Sunday
Guided tours only
departures 9 a.m - 10 a.m - 13 a.m and 14 a.m
Back to top
View user's profile
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 1:36 pm
Post subject: Re: Bastogne Barracks

Better than nothing, it's just that guided tours aren't good for taking pictures...
Do they have enough space around vehicles? How about light conditions?

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
Walter
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 09, 2010
Posts: 618
Location: Arnhem
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 5:54 pm
Post subject: Re: Bastogne Barracks

The space around the vehicles is reasonable
The light condition is not that good
It is one big Hall were your flash would disapear
Back to top
View user's profile
Costas_TT
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 15, 2012
Posts: 387

PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 6:46 pm
Post subject: Re: Bastogne Barracks

There's something very fishy about the turret ring of that Cromwell... I think the tank is essentially a Charioteer backdated to a Cromwell.

Note the bolt groups on the turret rings in these pics:
farm3.staticflickr.com/2110/2219393229_c28d9186f2_o.jpg

1.bp.blogspot.com/_yRN...rMaybe.JPG

military-vehicle-photo...m/5419.jpg

_________________
1/72 and 1/76 scale fanatic.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 7:24 pm
Post subject: Re: Bastogne Barracks

- Costas_TT
There's something very fishy about the turret ring of that Cromwell... I think the tank is essentially a Charioteer backdated to a Cromwell.

Note the bolt groups on the turret rings in these pics:
farm3.staticflickr.com/2110/2219393229_c28d9186f2_o.jpg

1.bp.blogspot.com/_yRN...rMaybe.JPG

military-vehicle-photo...m/5419.jpg


Hello,

you may be right, but a Charioteer should have a welded armor plate over the BESA hull machinegun mount. I can see on Walter photos that the hull do have the machinegun munt, and no armor plate, so I'm not sure it is a former Charioteer...

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Costas_TT
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 15, 2012
Posts: 387

PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 9:14 pm
Post subject: Re: Bastogne Barracks

Maybe it was removed and the BESA refitted as part of the backdating process. The other possible alternative, a conversion of a Cromwell ARV seems unlikely, given the different configuration of the plating covering the turret opening. It wouldn't have the ring with the bolts.

If it turns out to be indeed a Charioteer, I'll hazard a guess as to its origin and go with Finland (a bunch of Charioteers were sold off recently) as the most likely source.

_________________
1/72 and 1/76 scale fanatic.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
ajmac
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Nov 14, 2011
Posts: 37

PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:11 am
Post subject: Re: Bastogne Barracks

It must have been a charioteer, they had a larger diameter turret ring and it looks like this was a budget conversion, I just hope the turret is a replica and they didn't wreck an original! On hmvf you can follow a charioteer to Cromwell conversion using an original Cromwell Turret ring and turret, this too had an original besa mount installed when the welded plug / plate was removed.

_________________
Alastair McMurray
Lincoln, UK
..........
Loyd Carrier - Under Restoration
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:04 pm
Post subject: Re: Bastogne Barracks

Hello Alastair,

glad to see you on this forum !!

Pierre-Olivier

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Costas_TT
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 15, 2012
Posts: 387

PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:18 pm
Post subject: Re: Bastogne Barracks

- ajmac
It must have been a charioteer, they had a larger diameter turret ring and it looks like this was a budget conversion, I just hope the turret is a replica and they didn't wreck an original! On hmvf you can follow a charioteer to Cromwell conversion using an original Cromwell Turret ring and turret, this too had an original besa mount installed when the welded plug / plate was removed.

So, there is a precedent for this. Thanks for confirming.

_________________
1/72 and 1/76 scale fanatic.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:45 am
Post subject: Re: Bastogne Barracks

Renault UE in Bastogne:
www.flickr.com/photos/...467793178/

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Bastogne Barracks

this should answer the question :

"About 18 months ago, a Cromwell (Charioteer converted back) weekended outside my workshop, it was being transported to a museum at Bastogne if I recollect. Came from Norfolk way."

Richard Farrant, F.V. Restorations & Repairs - Specialising in Military Vehicles

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:53 pm
Post subject: Re: Bastogne Barracks

two new Sherman tanks at Bastogne barracks, they were previously at Vissenaken :




P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum