±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 797
Total: 797
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: CPGlang
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: Community Forums
06: Community Forums
07: Home
08: Member Screenshots
09: Home
10: Community Forums
11: Photo Gallery
12: News Archive
13: Downloads
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Home
18: Home
19: Downloads
20: Photo Gallery
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Photo Gallery
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Community Forums
32: CPGlang
33: Photo Gallery
34: Community Forums
35: Community Forums
36: Search
37: Home
38: Community Forums
39: Photo Gallery
40: Community Forums
41: Your Account
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Home
46: Community Forums
47: Home
48: Community Forums
49: Home
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Community Forums
57: Community Forums
58: Member Screenshots
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Photo Gallery
62: Community Forums
63: Home
64: Community Forums
65: Downloads
66: Downloads
67: Home
68: Photo Gallery
69: Photo Gallery
70: Community Forums
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Downloads
75: Community Forums
76: Photo Gallery
77: Photo Gallery
78: Community Forums
79: Photo Gallery
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Downloads
84: Downloads
85: Community Forums
86: Member Screenshots
87: Home
88: Downloads
89: Member Screenshots
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Photo Gallery
94: Community Forums
95: Photo Gallery
96: Downloads
97: Community Forums
98: Home
99: Home
100: Downloads
101: CPGlang
102: Downloads
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Community Forums
107: Downloads
108: Community Forums
109: CPGlang
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: Community Forums
115: Community Forums
116: Community Forums
117: Community Forums
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: Downloads
121: Community Forums
122: Community Forums
123: Community Forums
124: CPGlang
125: Community Forums
126: Photo Gallery
127: Community Forums
128: Photo Gallery
129: Home
130: Community Forums
131: Community Forums
132: Community Forums
133: Photo Gallery
134: Community Forums
135: Photo Gallery
136: Community Forums
137: CPGlang
138: Photo Gallery
139: Community Forums
140: Photo Gallery
141: Community Forums
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Community Forums
145: Community Forums
146: Downloads
147: Community Forums
148: Photo Gallery
149: Community Forums
150: Community Forums
151: Community Forums
152: Member Screenshots
153: Community Forums
154: Home
155: Photo Gallery
156: Community Forums
157: Photo Gallery
158: Community Forums
159: Community Forums
160: Photo Gallery
161: Community Forums
162: Community Forums
163: Photo Gallery
164: Community Forums
165: Community Forums
166: Community Forums
167: Community Forums
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Community Forums
172: Photo Gallery
173: Community Forums
174: Community Forums
175: Home
176: Home
177: Community Forums
178: Home
179: Photo Gallery
180: Home
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: Community Forums
184: Community Forums
185: Home
186: Photo Gallery
187: Photo Gallery
188: Community Forums
189: Community Forums
190: Photo Gallery
191: Community Forums
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: Community Forums
195: Photo Gallery
196: Downloads
197: Community Forums
198: Community Forums
199: Photo Gallery
200: Photo Gallery
201: Community Forums
202: Photo Gallery
203: Community Forums
204: Photo Gallery
205: Community Forums
206: Community Forums
207: Community Forums
208: Downloads
209: Community Forums
210: Community Forums
211: Home
212: Community Forums
213: Photo Gallery
214: Community Forums
215: Photo Gallery
216: Community Forums
217: Community Forums
218: Community Forums
219: Member Screenshots
220: Community Forums
221: Community Forums
222: Photo Gallery
223: Community Forums
224: Photo Gallery
225: Downloads
226: Community Forums
227: Community Forums
228: Community Forums
229: Community Forums
230: Community Forums
231: Community Forums
232: Community Forums
233: Community Forums
234: Community Forums
235: Community Forums
236: CPGlang
237: Community Forums
238: Downloads
239: Community Forums
240: Community Forums
241: Photo Gallery
242: Home
243: Community Forums
244: Downloads
245: Home
246: Community Forums
247: Community Forums
248: Community Forums
249: Photo Gallery
250: Statistics
251: Community Forums
252: Community Forums
253: Community Forums
254: Home
255: Community Forums
256: Photo Gallery
257: Community Forums
258: Community Forums
259: Community Forums
260: Photo Gallery
261: Community Forums
262: Home
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Member Screenshots
266: Community Forums
267: CPGlang
268: Community Forums
269: Home
270: Home
271: Community Forums
272: Community Forums
273: Photo Gallery
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: Community Forums
277: Downloads
278: Community Forums
279: Community Forums
280: Downloads
281: CPGlang
282: Community Forums
283: Community Forums
284: CPGlang
285: Community Forums
286: Home
287: Community Forums
288: Community Forums
289: Home
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Community Forums
293: Community Forums
294: Community Forums
295: Photo Gallery
296: Community Forums
297: Community Forums
298: Community Forums
299: Photo Gallery
300: Downloads
301: Community Forums
302: Community Forums
303: Community Forums
304: Downloads
305: Community Forums
306: CPGlang
307: Photo Gallery
308: Community Forums
309: Home
310: Community Forums
311: Home
312: Community Forums
313: Downloads
314: Community Forums
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: Community Forums
318: Photo Gallery
319: Community Forums
320: Community Forums
321: Community Forums
322: Photo Gallery
323: Home
324: Community Forums
325: Community Forums
326: Community Forums
327: Community Forums
328: Home
329: Community Forums
330: Community Forums
331: Community Forums
332: Home
333: Community Forums
334: Member Screenshots
335: Community Forums
336: Community Forums
337: Community Forums
338: Photo Gallery
339: Community Forums
340: Community Forums
341: Photo Gallery
342: Home
343: Community Forums
344: Community Forums
345: Community Forums
346: Photo Gallery
347: CPGlang
348: Community Forums
349: Photo Gallery
350: Community Forums
351: Community Forums
352: Downloads
353: Community Forums
354: Home
355: Community Forums
356: Community Forums
357: Photo Gallery
358: Downloads
359: Downloads
360: Community Forums
361: Photo Gallery
362: Community Forums
363: Community Forums
364: Home
365: CPGlang
366: Community Forums
367: Community Forums
368: Community Forums
369: Photo Gallery
370: Community Forums
371: CPGlang
372: Community Forums
373: Community Forums
374: Home
375: Photo Gallery
376: Community Forums
377: Community Forums
378: Community Forums
379: Community Forums
380: Downloads
381: Photo Gallery
382: Community Forums
383: Community Forums
384: Community Forums
385: Community Forums
386: Community Forums
387: Community Forums
388: Home
389: Community Forums
390: Photo Gallery
391: CPGlang
392: Downloads
393: Home
394: Community Forums
395: Community Forums
396: Member Screenshots
397: Downloads
398: Community Forums
399: Photo Gallery
400: Community Forums
401: Community Forums
402: Community Forums
403: Community Forums
404: Community Forums
405: Community Forums
406: Community Forums
407: Community Forums
408: Community Forums
409: Home
410: Community Forums
411: Community Forums
412: Community Forums
413: Downloads
414: Community Forums
415: Community Forums
416: Community Forums
417: Home
418: Community Forums
419: Community Forums
420: Photo Gallery
421: Community Forums
422: Photo Gallery
423: Community Forums
424: Home
425: Statistics
426: Community Forums
427: Community Forums
428: Downloads
429: Community Forums
430: Community Forums
431: Community Forums
432: Community Forums
433: Community Forums
434: Photo Gallery
435: Community Forums
436: Downloads
437: Community Forums
438: Photo Gallery
439: Community Forums
440: Community Forums
441: Community Forums
442: Downloads
443: Downloads
444: Community Forums
445: Community Forums
446: Community Forums
447: Community Forums
448: Community Forums
449: Photo Gallery
450: Community Forums
451: Community Forums
452: Community Forums
453: Community Forums
454: Community Forums
455: Home
456: Community Forums
457: Community Forums
458: Photo Gallery
459: Your Account
460: Community Forums
461: CPGlang
462: Photo Gallery
463: Community Forums
464: Community Forums
465: Community Forums
466: Community Forums
467: Downloads
468: Your Account
469: Home
470: Home
471: Community Forums
472: Photo Gallery
473: Photo Gallery
474: Community Forums
475: Downloads
476: Statistics
477: Photo Gallery
478: Community Forums
479: Community Forums
480: Community Forums
481: Home
482: Community Forums
483: Home
484: Community Forums
485: Community Forums
486: Your Account
487: Community Forums
488: Member Screenshots
489: Community Forums
490: Home
491: Community Forums
492: Community Forums
493: Community Forums
494: Community Forums
495: Home
496: Community Forums
497: Community Forums
498: Home
499: Member Screenshots
500: Community Forums
501: Photo Gallery
502: Community Forums
503: Downloads
504: Home
505: Home
506: Home
507: Community Forums
508: Community Forums
509: Photo Gallery
510: Home
511: Community Forums
512: Photo Gallery
513: Home
514: Community Forums
515: Community Forums
516: Photo Gallery
517: Community Forums
518: Community Forums
519: Community Forums
520: Community Forums
521: Downloads
522: Community Forums
523: Community Forums
524: Community Forums
525: Community Forums
526: Community Forums
527: Photo Gallery
528: Community Forums
529: Home
530: Community Forums
531: Community Forums
532: Community Forums
533: Community Forums
534: Community Forums
535: Community Forums
536: Community Forums
537: Community Forums
538: Photo Gallery
539: Photo Gallery
540: Photo Gallery
541: Community Forums
542: Downloads
543: Community Forums
544: Community Forums
545: Community Forums
546: Community Forums
547: Community Forums
548: Home
549: Community Forums
550: Photo Gallery
551: Member Screenshots
552: Community Forums
553: Community Forums
554: Photo Gallery
555: Community Forums
556: Community Forums
557: Community Forums
558: Photo Gallery
559: Photo Gallery
560: Community Forums
561: Community Forums
562: Photo Gallery
563: Community Forums
564: Downloads
565: Community Forums
566: Community Forums
567: Photo Gallery
568: Your Account
569: Community Forums
570: Community Forums
571: Community Forums
572: Community Forums
573: Community Forums
574: Community Forums
575: Photo Gallery
576: Community Forums
577: Community Forums
578: Downloads
579: Home
580: Community Forums
581: News Archive
582: Community Forums
583: Downloads
584: CPGlang
585: Home
586: CPGlang
587: Home
588: Community Forums
589: Photo Gallery
590: Community Forums
591: Community Forums
592: Photo Gallery
593: Member Screenshots
594: Your Account
595: Downloads
596: Home
597: Community Forums
598: Community Forums
599: CPGlang
600: Community Forums
601: Community Forums
602: Home
603: Community Forums
604: Community Forums
605: Community Forums
606: Community Forums
607: CPGlang
608: Photo Gallery
609: Photo Gallery
610: Community Forums
611: Community Forums
612: Downloads
613: Downloads
614: Community Forums
615: Community Forums
616: Community Forums
617: Community Forums
618: Community Forums
619: Home
620: Community Forums
621: Community Forums
622: Community Forums
623: Your Account
624: Home
625: CPGlang
626: Community Forums
627: Community Forums
628: Community Forums
629: Community Forums
630: Community Forums
631: Community Forums
632: Community Forums
633: Home
634: Photo Gallery
635: Photo Gallery
636: Community Forums
637: Community Forums
638: Member Screenshots
639: Your Account
640: Community Forums
641: Community Forums
642: Community Forums
643: Community Forums
644: Community Forums
645: Community Forums
646: Photo Gallery
647: Community Forums
648: Photo Gallery
649: Community Forums
650: Community Forums
651: Community Forums
652: Community Forums
653: Photo Gallery
654: Community Forums
655: Community Forums
656: Photo Gallery
657: Community Forums
658: Community Forums
659: Community Forums
660: Community Forums
661: Photo Gallery
662: Community Forums
663: Photo Gallery
664: Community Forums
665: Community Forums
666: Community Forums
667: Home
668: News Archive
669: Community Forums
670: Community Forums
671: Community Forums
672: Community Forums
673: Community Forums
674: Community Forums
675: Community Forums
676: Community Forums
677: Community Forums
678: Community Forums
679: CPGlang
680: Home
681: Community Forums
682: Community Forums
683: Your Account
684: Home
685: Community Forums
686: Community Forums
687: Photo Gallery
688: Community Forums
689: Community Forums
690: Home
691: Community Forums
692: Community Forums
693: Community Forums
694: Community Forums
695: Community Forums
696: Community Forums
697: Community Forums
698: Downloads
699: Photo Gallery
700: Community Forums
701: Community Forums
702: News Archive
703: Photo Gallery
704: Community Forums
705: Photo Gallery
706: Downloads
707: Community Forums
708: Member Screenshots
709: Home
710: Community Forums
711: Community Forums
712: Home
713: Photo Gallery
714: Community Forums
715: Community Forums
716: Community Forums
717: Community Forums
718: Photo Gallery
719: Community Forums
720: Home
721: Community Forums
722: Community Forums
723: Community Forums
724: Community Forums
725: CPGlang
726: Community Forums
727: Community Forums
728: Member Screenshots
729: Community Forums
730: Photo Gallery
731: Community Forums
732: Community Forums
733: Community Forums
734: Community Forums
735: Member Screenshots
736: Community Forums
737: Community Forums
738: Community Forums
739: Community Forums
740: Community Forums
741: Downloads
742: Community Forums
743: Photo Gallery
744: Photo Gallery
745: Statistics
746: Downloads
747: Community Forums
748: Downloads
749: Community Forums
750: Community Forums
751: Community Forums
752: Downloads
753: Community Forums
754: Community Forums
755: Community Forums
756: Photo Gallery
757: Community Forums
758: Downloads
759: Downloads
760: Home
761: Community Forums
762: Photo Gallery
763: Community Forums
764: Home
765: Community Forums
766: Member Screenshots
767: Community Forums
768: Community Forums
769: Photo Gallery
770: Community Forums
771: Community Forums
772: Community Forums
773: Home
774: Community Forums
775: Statistics
776: Community Forums
777: Community Forums
778: Community Forums
779: Community Forums
780: Home
781: Community Forums
782: News Archive
783: Downloads
784: Photo Gallery
785: Photo Gallery
786: Your Account
787: Downloads
788: Downloads
789: Photo Gallery
790: Community Forums
791: Community Forums
792: Community Forums
793: Your Account
794: Downloads
795: Community Forums
796: Community Forums
797: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
can't have too little spare tracks...
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page Previous  1, 2
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:32 am
Post subject: Re: can't have too little spare tracks...

- clausb
- Dontos
Notice that the turret on the 'Firefly' has german track mounted to it. Unusable on any allied vehicle


Wonder whether it could be CDP (Canadian Dry Pin) tracks rather than German?



Claus B


I believe you may be correct. Quite similiar to Panzer III & Panzer IV styled 'pin' track.

Don

_________________
"Gonna hold my breath until Armor returns home..."
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Hanno_Spoelstra
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jun 04, 2006
Posts: 185

PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:01 pm
Post subject: Re: can't have too little spare tracks...

- clausb
Wonder whether it could be CDP (Canadian Dry Pin) tracks rather than German?


Claus, knocked out German tanks were in abundance, CDP track was not. . .
So I would put a bet on German tank track.

Hanno
Back to top
View user's profile
J.McGillivray
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 149

PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:17 pm
Post subject: Re: can't have too little spare tracks...

I scanned a close up of CDP tracks on a Grizzly tank in a book that I have. I positioned the photo upside down to get the same prospective as the tracks that Claus posted.

Compare them to the types of the Panzer IV tracks.

It dose look like the tracks on the Firefly are CDP.


.

Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:29 pm
Post subject: Re: can't have too little spare tracks...

So the tracks on the Firefly tank are definitely CDP ..



Pierre-Olivier
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
clausb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 25, 2006
Posts: 146

PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:51 pm
Post subject: Re: can't have too little spare tracks...

- Hanno_Spoelstra
- clausb
Wonder whether it could be CDP (Canadian Dry Pin) tracks rather than German?


Claus, knocked out German tanks were in abundance, CDP track was not. . .
So I would put a bet on German tank track.


I still think it looks more like CDP than German track, though. AFAIK Sextons were mostly running on CDP, so they might have come across a few links dumped by the artillery Smile

Claus B
Back to top
View user's profile
panthertank
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 27, 2006
Posts: 23

PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 6:48 am
Post subject: Re: can't have too little spare tracks...

not much of an track expert here, but this one on the side of the turret doesn't look quite right either.
Back to top
View user's profile
Coldsteel
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 61

PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 10:15 am
Post subject: Re: can't have too little spare tracks...

- panthertank
not much of an track expert here, but this one on the side of the turret doesn't look quite right either.

They're grousers aren't they. Not track links. They fit over the end connectors of the regular tracks so you have a raised rib which digs in a gives better traction.
Here, from the Sherman register:

web.inter.nl.net/users...es/t41.jpg
Back to top
View user's profile
J.McGillivray
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 149

PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 10:33 am
Post subject: Re: can't have too little spare tracks...

They are grousers and not track links. The grousers clip onto the tracks of the tank and are used to improve traction on soft ground. The Stuarts have brackets on the turret sides and/or the hull front (depending on the model of Stuart) to carry the grousers when they are not in use.
Back to top
View user's profile
GerryChester
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 7

PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:40 am
Post subject: Re: can't have too little spare tracks...

The Churchill's advantage over both Tigera and Panthers (in North Africa and Italy) was the higher rate of fire and speedier traverse. When the OK arrived to use track links for additional protection, as tests showed that adding them to the turret slowed the speed of traverse, we were not allowed to add them other than on the hull. The report on the the tests was submmitted to the UK but, for some unexplained reason, was not passed on to the Churchill units in NWE.
Back to top
View user's profile
Hanno_Spoelstra
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jun 04, 2006
Posts: 185

PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:21 pm
Post subject: Re: can't have too little spare tracks...

- Coldsteel
Here, from the Sherman register:


Source: web.inter.nl.net/users.../track.htm
Back to top
View user's profile
Hanno_Spoelstra
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jun 04, 2006
Posts: 185

PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:26 pm
Post subject: Re: can't have too little spare tracks...

- the_shadock
So the tracks on the Firefly tank are definitely CDP ..


Pierre-Olivier, looks like you're right!

Thanks,
Hanno
Back to top
View user's profile
Al_Bowie
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 25, 2006
Posts: 34

PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:40 pm
Post subject: Re: can't have too little spare tracks...

By all accts the crews thought the extra protection offered was a bonus and as the main threat at that stage of war was a chemical vs kinetic munition such as a Panzerfaust then they also offered a dgree of spaced armour . Crews more than tanks were important at that stages as it was relatively easy to replace a vehicle but the commonwealth formations were running out of manpower.
Cheers
Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 2 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page Previous  1, 2



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum