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- Massimo_Foti
One day we should try to list all the L3 too, but that's going to be a major task, since there are plenty of them still around the world.


I've got some slack today and gave this a try. It's a first attempt... But you have to start somewhere

Most information are based on this book, published in 2004:
nuke.gmtmodellismo.it/...fault.aspx

Some additional info can be gathered from this website, but it hasn't been updated since a few years:
digilander.libero.it/p...nto_02.htm

Tanks are ordered first by model, then by location (as in the above book).

ITALY

Aviano. L33. Used to be outside the Army's barracks, current location unknown

Bari. L 33. Sacrario Caduti d'Oltremare
digilander.libero.it/p...3_bari.htm

Bellinzago. L 33
digilander.libero.it/p...l3_bel.htm

Cassino. L 33. Not there anymore since a very long time

Lecce. L 33. Caserme "Nacci" e "Zappalà". Two tanks
digilander.libero.it/p..._lecce.htm

Roma. Museo Carristi. L 33. This tank has a long, glorious history. It was commanded by Sergente Magg. Rosolino Sarotti, who died at Hamanlei. Ethiopia, November 11th 1935. He was decorated with Medaglia d'Oro (highest italian military award). The tank was later recovered and moved back to Roma. This is how it, sadly, looked back in 1998:
www.massimocorner.com/...arotti.jpg

Roma. Museo Carristi. L 33. This one was in a much better shape, but stored in the open. This is how it looked in 1998:
www.massimocorner.com/...rristi.jpg

Trieste. L 33. Museo de Henriquez

Albenga. L 35. One tank was there around the '70, current location unknown

Aviano. L 35. "Ariete"

Aviano. L 35. "Ariete". This one is a runner but restored with a modern engine and incorrect cowling

Cesano. L 35. Caserma Becchi
digilander.libero.it/p...cesano.htm

Grosseto. L 35. "Savoia Cavalleria"
digilander.libero.it/p...l3_gro.htm

Palermo. L 35. "Lancieri di Aosta"
digilander.libero.it/p..._aosta.htm

Pinerolo. L 35. Museo della Cavalleria
digilander.libero.it/p...nerolo.htm

Pinerolo. L 35. Museo della Cavalleria. Formely at "Lodi Cavalleria"

Roma. Castel Sant'Angelo. Two L 35 used to be there around the '60, current location unknown

Trieste. L 35 Lanciafiamme. Museo de Henriquez
digilander.libero.it/p...3lf_ts.htm

Caserta. L 35 Radio. Scuola truppe corazzate

San Marino. L 38. Private Collection. Beautifully restored from a relic found in Corsica. It's a runner

Solbiate Olona. L 38
digilander.libero.it/p...lbiate.htm

Roma. L 38. Museo della Motorizzazione della Cecchignola.
Back in 1998 it was in a pretty good shape:
www.massimocorner.com/...ignola.jpg

Teulada. L 38. Caserma Mara
digilander.libero.it/p...38_teu.htm

OUTSIDE ITALY

Ottawa (Canada). L 33. War Museum, Vimy House

Managua (Nicaragua). Was under restoration in 2001

Bovington (UK). L 33 Lanciafiamme. Tank Museum
digilander.libero.it/p...l3_bov.htm

Kabul (Afghanistan). L 35. At least two, one spotted back in the '80. Seems like one was bring back to Italy. This picture display an L 35 in Kabul, recovered by italian troops in 2004:
digilander.libero.it/p..._kabul.htm
Here is another one:
digilander.libero.it/p...l3_afg.htm

Brasil. L 35. At least three tanks should be there

Beijing (China). L 35.
digilander.libero.it/p...echino.htm

Zagreb (Croatia). L 35. Science museum
digilander.libero.it/p...l3_zag.htm

Iraq. L 35. Rumors about it to be moved to Texas
digilander.libero.it/p...3_iraq.htm

Kubinka (Russia). L 35. From hungarian army

Belgrade (Serbia). L 35. From hungarian army
digilander.libero.it/p...lgrado.htm

Madrid (Spain) . L 35. El Goloso barracks. There should be at least two tanks here

Sanaa (Yemen). L 35. Military museum

Saxonwold (South Africa). CV 35 Radio.


The L 3 was manufactured in pretty large numbers and sold to different countries. Tracking all the surviving tanks is going to be a challenge, but an interesting one indeed

Hope it will help

Massimo
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 10:38 am
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I see you added L6 to the italian document. Strictly speaking they should be considered light tanks, but I am glad you added them anyway.

According to this book:
nuke.gmtmodellismo.it/...fault.aspx

The turret from the L6 in Caserma "Cadorna", Legnano is a replica. They also say it has been moved to Solbiate Olona (Varese)

One day we should try to list all the L3 too, but that's going to be a major task, since there are plenty of them still around the world. A good starting point is available from this book:
nuke.gmtmodellismo.it/...fault.aspx

I can translate and post the list if you think it may help

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 6:41 am
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The Panzermuseum in Full has something that looks like a Sdkfz 251, but I am unable to tell if it's a disguised OT-810 (they also have a OT-810 with closed top). I can post some pictures if you think it may help.

Massimo
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:43 pm
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New register :

M26 Pershing register

The file may contain some mistakes, as I don't know how to recognize an M26 Pershing from an M46 Patton..


Hi P-O

I always look at the back of the vehicle, at a M26 Pershing the sprocket wheel is placed much lower than on a M46. The track makes a good visible bend downward. That makes the entry for South Korea to my opinion A M46.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:24 pm
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Heres a partial shot of one of the Richardson M.P. M26's, I took last week. Will get better ones tomorrow, hopefully.



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New register :

M26 Pershing register

The file may contain some mistakes, as I don't know how to recognize an M26 Pershing from an M46 Patton..

this is the photos I'm looking for :

Two M26 Pershings – Comprensorio Militare di Lenta (Italy)
M26 Pershing – National Guard Militia Museum of New Jersey, Sea Girt, NJ (USA)
M26 Pershing – NCO Academy, Fort Jackson, SC (USA)
M26 Pershing – WW2 Vehicle Museum and Learning Center, Hubbard, OH (USA)
M26 Pershing – AMVETS, Franklin, KY (USA)
Two M26A1 Pershings – Richardson Motor Pool, Patton Museum, Fort Knox, KY (USA)
M26 Pershing – Mississippi Armed Forces Museum storage lots, Camp Shelby, Hattiesburg, MS (USA)
M26 Pershing – Fort Irwin, CA (USA)

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:58 pm
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He didnt say why, but FWIW, he said the Poteau museum also sold their M4(105) Sherman and two Half-Track wrecks to collectors in Belgium.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:36 pm
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Neil,

yes I've seen it, here it is, in the ASPHM collection near Strasbourg :

http://www.asphm.com/vehicules/su-100/su-100.html

The SU-100 list is already updated.
I'm quite surprised to see that this SU-100 was sold, maybe André could tell us why? I was under the impression that the owner of the Poteau museum would keep it, as it is very uncommon in Western Europe.

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P-O,
Another change for you, André Flener tells me that the Ardennen Poteau '44 Museum has sold its SU-100 to an unnamed private collector in France.

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Yeah, I'll admit I skipped it at first... I almost thought it was an S-35, then realized the drivers hatch was on the wrong side - and probably other differences as well Wink

I was looking through your Australian & Canadian tanks file when I realized it was a Ram...

BTW, I am working on the UK Register again...

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:53 pm
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Neil,

how did I manage not to see that RAM? I guess I was blinded because it looked too much like a Sherman..

thanks

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P-O,
Dont know if you caught this before on this site, but this looks like a late Ram Mk II on the Salisbury Plain ranges...



s144.photobucket.com/a...t=WW29.jpg

Neil
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How strange.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:08 pm
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Well, chaps,
have you ever heard about Finnish converting Comet to anti-ship missile TERMIT/STYX (Soviet made) launcher?

The guy who requested more details on that vehicle supposed that to be an ARV conversion but we have found something more... Russian site in English.

Look here: forum.valka.cz/viewtop...hp/t/79292

and follow below quoted links to Finnish Naval Arty museum.

Hope the link is active...

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Lesley,

no idea where the Comet in Belsen finally went..

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