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Romanian Military Museum: Shermies, MkIV's, an' stuff....
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Off Topic. This was nasty, I missed this on my first visit. Krupp 75mm that blowed up real good. From the damage to all quadrants of the gun, I can't imagine that any member of the crew escaped without injury, if at all.



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OK, remember the Sherman? I got in a little closer in the rear in better light and zoomed in on what appears and I believe to be an original M1919 MG, not a replica. Incredibly, it actually swivels in it's ball mount even with all that rust. It looks authentic from the outside as well, though the jacket is about half rusted away. Also, though I didn't take a pic, the armor addon plates are largely rust-free around the weld areas on this vehicle, though the plates themselves match the rest of the vehicle.



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:27 am
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OK, by (late) request from P-O and Taranov, here's everything new I had gotten by the time of my visit on Saturday the 20th (before the request for the walkaround, "T"...sorry) on the T.A.C.A.M. R2 and the Skoda R2. Same funky red paint, but the grounds have been cleaned up. I took these in early morning light so they are lit from different angle than before, but with higher contrast than I would like. I think Jim Webb is going out later this year.
I also have some additional info and historical pics from a book I'll scan and post later.

(You can view these larger and cleaner by right clicking the properties and copying and pasting to your browser window...and I can send larger res versions if needed for posting or something)












AND...since there's always room for some Mk.IV pics, here are some more now that the leaves are off the trees:









and a comparison-for-size shot:




More to follow....
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It's in Sector One, I'll get back to ya' about the other stuff...gotta' run. Was in Cluj-Napoca yesterday and today (Pediatric Hostpitals #2 and 3)...and off to Brasov at 0500 tomorrow....busy, busy, busy!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:25 pm
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hi ya

this must be near the univerisata, have you been to the other little one , this is near the pitz hut which is in basement of the old miltary building.
there is a cafe in the front now with some great steps.

i tried to look for the museum when i was out there.
what do yopu think of Romaina. the town is great for shopping,

speak soon ossie
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:35 am
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Hi Doug

ok where in bucharest is the museum & what sector.
yes we do know romaina my wife is romainan and we plan to go to in laws in febuary.

doug it has been a long time since we talked , drop me a line still useing the old email address, oztank @ morsbourn.freeserve.co.uk
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Hi Ossie!
Purty much in the center of town just across from the Military Hospital (well, somewhat on the SW side, really). I'll post a street address for you when I get back and before you go. I might even be able to scan a map page for ya'. It's not hard to find....huge place. Be sure to tour the ancient stuff in Bldg. 1 too...the Bronze ane and Roman period displays are very impressive!

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:46 pm
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Hi Doug

ok where in bucharest is the museum & what sector.
yes we do know romaina my wife is romainan and we plan to go to in laws in febuary.

doug it has been a long time since we talked , drop me a line still useing the old email address, oztank @ morsbourn.freeserve.co.uk
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:54 pm
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Bumping the topic (while I could still find it) for pics to be added pending my return home next weekend.

Sorry Taranov...no chance for a return walk-around of the you-know-what, but I have about five additional pics of the two vehicles in question from better angles that are a definite improvement on the ones from the first trip (and...they fixed that nasty hole in the ground so it all looks better).

Also, some more angles on the Pz.IV and some other stuff...coming soon. I'll weed the "Back to Romania" thread out now and just add to this one for continuity.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:50 am
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Hi Doug! Hi Folks!

- Doug_Kibbey

BTR 50, I think. What's the skinny on these? (I know it was PT-76 based, but was it any good? Me likey) I found this vehicle esthetically appealing.



If I remember right, the BTR 50 was the first full tracked APC the Soviets developed sometime after WW II. It started out as an open topped infantry carrier. That missile launcher is also (along with the PT76) based on this vehicle. After it was replaced as an APC by the BMP FOVs, it was then used for a number of other supporting missions until replaced. If I remember right, it is not longer used by 1st Esholen units.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:59 am
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Do you know what's up with that red color that the two vehicles were painted in? Some kind of parade livery or what? It was obviously faded from exposure, but it's hideous


Red oxide primer, buy in any hardware store. Good for raw steel as it prevents rusting and dries quick. Easy to topcoat later. One interesting thing is that you can weld through it easily as it seems to be conductive.

As noted it also looks extremely ugly.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 10:21 pm
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There may be a separate breech assembly for one of the guns making up a sixth car (I don't recall for sure...do you remember, Jim?).


The breech's are all on the ends of the barrels - the confusing thing is that the breech rings are all round. Looking in my artillery books the only things that seem to be missing are the ammunition wagons...

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So....does this help? Wink


For a moment there... Its the version referred to as the BTR-50PU-2A

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Hey, I said I liked it! Just wasn't sure I had such a clear full view from the rear...had to look first.

I took ~100 pics while there (less than 1 hour)...I sure wish I'd had more time, though. May get another chance in Jan-Feb., if it ain't all covered in snow..... Rolling Eyes

Also, when I checked again, I found I had this (I really liked this vehicle!):



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There may be a separate breech assembly for one of the guns making up a sixth car (I don't recall for sure...do you remember, Jim?).


The breech's are all on the ends of the barrels - the confusing thing is that the breech rings are all round. Looking in my artillery books the only things that seem to be missing are the ammunition wagons...

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So....does this help? Wink


For a moment there... Its the version referred to as the BTR-50PU-2A

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BTR 50, I think. What's the skinny on these? (I know it was PT-76 based, but was it any good? Me likey) I found this vehicle esthetically appealing.


Correct Doug but just to be pedantic its a BTR-50PU2.. quite which version (there are 8 of them at the last count) its not possible to establish without a look at the back decks.


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So....does this help? Wink

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