±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 628
Total: 628
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Community Forums
03: Downloads
04: Community Forums
05: News
06: Photo Gallery
07: Home
08: Community Forums
09: Member Screenshots
10: Community Forums
11: Community Forums
12: Photo Gallery
13: News
14: Photo Gallery
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: News
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: Home
21: Downloads
22: Home
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Photo Gallery
29: Photo Gallery
30: News
31: Community Forums
32: News
33: Community Forums
34: Downloads
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Photo Gallery
38: Community Forums
39: Photo Gallery
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Member Screenshots
44: Your Account
45: Community Forums
46: Community Forums
47: Community Forums
48: Community Forums
49: Community Forums
50: News
51: Downloads
52: News
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: CPGlang
56: Photo Gallery
57: Photo Gallery
58: Photo Gallery
59: News
60: Community Forums
61: Home
62: News
63: Your Account
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: Home
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: News
75: Community Forums
76: Home
77: Community Forums
78: News
79: Community Forums
80: Home
81: Home
82: Community Forums
83: Home
84: Photo Gallery
85: Community Forums
86: Community Forums
87: Community Forums
88: Photo Gallery
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Downloads
92: Home
93: Community Forums
94: Photo Gallery
95: Home
96: Community Forums
97: Community Forums
98: Community Forums
99: News Archive
100: Photo Gallery
101: Home
102: Community Forums
103: Community Forums
104: News
105: Downloads
106: Community Forums
107: News
108: Home
109: Community Forums
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: CPGlang
113: Community Forums
114: Community Forums
115: Community Forums
116: Community Forums
117: Home
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: Downloads
121: Community Forums
122: Home
123: Member Screenshots
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Photo Gallery
128: Photo Gallery
129: Photo Gallery
130: CPGlang
131: Member Screenshots
132: Community Forums
133: Community Forums
134: Downloads
135: Photo Gallery
136: Community Forums
137: Home
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: News
141: Community Forums
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Community Forums
145: Downloads
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: Community Forums
151: Photo Gallery
152: News
153: Community Forums
154: Community Forums
155: Photo Gallery
156: Community Forums
157: Downloads
158: Community Forums
159: Community Forums
160: Statistics
161: News Archive
162: Your Account
163: Photo Gallery
164: Photo Gallery
165: Community Forums
166: Community Forums
167: Community Forums
168: Downloads
169: Statistics
170: Community Forums
171: Community Forums
172: Community Forums
173: Community Forums
174: Downloads
175: Your Account
176: Community Forums
177: Photo Gallery
178: Statistics
179: Community Forums
180: Community Forums
181: Community Forums
182: Home
183: Home
184: Community Forums
185: Community Forums
186: Community Forums
187: Photo Gallery
188: Community Forums
189: Home
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: CPGlang
195: Community Forums
196: Photo Gallery
197: Community Forums
198: Community Forums
199: Photo Gallery
200: Community Forums
201: Community Forums
202: Home
203: Home
204: Community Forums
205: Community Forums
206: Community Forums
207: Community Forums
208: Community Forums
209: Home
210: Community Forums
211: Community Forums
212: Downloads
213: Community Forums
214: Home
215: Home
216: Community Forums
217: Community Forums
218: Photo Gallery
219: Home
220: Photo Gallery
221: Downloads
222: CPGlang
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Downloads
227: Community Forums
228: Community Forums
229: Home
230: Community Forums
231: Community Forums
232: Downloads
233: Downloads
234: Community Forums
235: Home
236: Downloads
237: Community Forums
238: Community Forums
239: Downloads
240: Community Forums
241: Downloads
242: Home
243: Photo Gallery
244: Photo Gallery
245: Community Forums
246: Community Forums
247: Community Forums
248: Photo Gallery
249: Community Forums
250: Community Forums
251: Photo Gallery
252: Community Forums
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums
256: Downloads
257: Community Forums
258: Home
259: Downloads
260: Photo Gallery
261: Downloads
262: Community Forums
263: Downloads
264: Downloads
265: Community Forums
266: Community Forums
267: Community Forums
268: News Archive
269: Photo Gallery
270: Downloads
271: Community Forums
272: Community Forums
273: Home
274: Photo Gallery
275: Photo Gallery
276: Community Forums
277: Home
278: Community Forums
279: Photo Gallery
280: Community Forums
281: Downloads
282: News Archive
283: Home
284: Community Forums
285: Community Forums
286: Home
287: Downloads
288: Community Forums
289: Community Forums
290: Your Account
291: Photo Gallery
292: Community Forums
293: Community Forums
294: Community Forums
295: Community Forums
296: Community Forums
297: Photo Gallery
298: Community Forums
299: Photo Gallery
300: Home
301: Community Forums
302: Community Forums
303: Community Forums
304: Community Forums
305: Community Forums
306: Community Forums
307: News
308: Community Forums
309: Community Forums
310: Community Forums
311: Community Forums
312: News
313: Photo Gallery
314: Photo Gallery
315: Photo Gallery
316: Home
317: Community Forums
318: Community Forums
319: Community Forums
320: Community Forums
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums
323: Community Forums
324: Community Forums
325: Photo Gallery
326: Community Forums
327: Photo Gallery
328: Community Forums
329: Statistics
330: Community Forums
331: Tell a Friend
332: Community Forums
333: Home
334: Community Forums
335: Community Forums
336: Photo Gallery
337: Home
338: Community Forums
339: Photo Gallery
340: Photo Gallery
341: Photo Gallery
342: Community Forums
343: Photo Gallery
344: Home
345: Community Forums
346: Home
347: Community Forums
348: Photo Gallery
349: Downloads
350: News
351: Home
352: Home
353: Community Forums
354: Photo Gallery
355: Community Forums
356: Community Forums
357: Community Forums
358: Photo Gallery
359: Community Forums
360: Community Forums
361: Community Forums
362: Community Forums
363: Community Forums
364: Home
365: Community Forums
366: Community Forums
367: Community Forums
368: Photo Gallery
369: Community Forums
370: Community Forums
371: Photo Gallery
372: Community Forums
373: Community Forums
374: Community Forums
375: Community Forums
376: Community Forums
377: Photo Gallery
378: Community Forums
379: Home
380: Home
381: Photo Gallery
382: Downloads
383: Community Forums
384: Community Forums
385: Downloads
386: Community Forums
387: Photo Gallery
388: Community Forums
389: Community Forums
390: Downloads
391: Photo Gallery
392: Community Forums
393: Community Forums
394: Home
395: Community Forums
396: Community Forums
397: Community Forums
398: Community Forums
399: Community Forums
400: Community Forums
401: Photo Gallery
402: Home
403: Downloads
404: Photo Gallery
405: Community Forums
406: Community Forums
407: News
408: Community Forums
409: Community Forums
410: Community Forums
411: Community Forums
412: News
413: Community Forums
414: Community Forums
415: Photo Gallery
416: Photo Gallery
417: Community Forums
418: Community Forums
419: News Archive
420: Downloads
421: Community Forums
422: Photo Gallery
423: Community Forums
424: Community Forums
425: Photo Gallery
426: Community Forums
427: Photo Gallery
428: Community Forums
429: Community Forums
430: Community Forums
431: Community Forums
432: Member Screenshots
433: Community Forums
434: News
435: Community Forums
436: Community Forums
437: Community Forums
438: Community Forums
439: Community Forums
440: Community Forums
441: Community Forums
442: Community Forums
443: Community Forums
444: Community Forums
445: Downloads
446: Home
447: Downloads
448: Community Forums
449: Community Forums
450: Photo Gallery
451: Photo Gallery
452: Community Forums
453: Community Forums
454: Community Forums
455: Photo Gallery
456: CPGlang
457: CPGlang
458: Community Forums
459: Community Forums
460: Community Forums
461: Community Forums
462: Photo Gallery
463: Home
464: Statistics
465: CPGlang
466: News
467: Community Forums
468: Community Forums
469: Community Forums
470: Home
471: News
472: Community Forums
473: Photo Gallery
474: Community Forums
475: Downloads
476: Community Forums
477: Community Forums
478: Community Forums
479: Community Forums
480: Community Forums
481: Community Forums
482: Community Forums
483: Community Forums
484: Community Forums
485: Community Forums
486: News
487: Downloads
488: Community Forums
489: Community Forums
490: Community Forums
491: Community Forums
492: Community Forums
493: Photo Gallery
494: Home
495: Photo Gallery
496: Community Forums
497: Home
498: Community Forums
499: Home
500: Downloads
501: Community Forums
502: Community Forums
503: Photo Gallery
504: Community Forums
505: Downloads
506: Photo Gallery
507: Photo Gallery
508: Home
509: Photo Gallery
510: Community Forums
511: Community Forums
512: Home
513: Photo Gallery
514: Home
515: Downloads
516: Community Forums
517: Downloads
518: Community Forums
519: Community Forums
520: Community Forums
521: Home
522: Community Forums
523: Community Forums
524: Community Forums
525: Community Forums
526: Community Forums
527: Community Forums
528: Photo Gallery
529: Community Forums
530: Community Forums
531: Community Forums
532: Photo Gallery
533: Community Forums
534: Community Forums
535: Downloads
536: Community Forums
537: Home
538: Your Account
539: News Archive
540: Community Forums
541: Community Forums
542: Statistics
543: News Archive
544: Home
545: Community Forums
546: Home
547: Community Forums
548: Home
549: Community Forums
550: Community Forums
551: Photo Gallery
552: Community Forums
553: Home
554: Community Forums
555: Photo Gallery
556: Community Forums
557: Photo Gallery
558: Home
559: Community Forums
560: Community Forums
561: Community Forums
562: Downloads
563: Community Forums
564: Member Screenshots
565: Photo Gallery
566: Home
567: Community Forums
568: Member Screenshots
569: Photo Gallery
570: Downloads
571: Downloads
572: Photo Gallery
573: Community Forums
574: Community Forums
575: Community Forums
576: Downloads
577: Home
578: Your Account
579: Community Forums
580: Community Forums
581: Home
582: Community Forums
583: Photo Gallery
584: Home
585: Community Forums
586: Photo Gallery
587: Photo Gallery
588: Community Forums
589: CPGlang
590: Community Forums
591: Downloads
592: Community Forums
593: Home
594: Photo Gallery
595: Community Forums
596: Community Forums
597: Downloads
598: Photo Gallery
599: Downloads
600: Photo Gallery
601: Community Forums
602: Community Forums
603: Photo Gallery
604: Community Forums
605: Community Forums
606: Downloads
607: Community Forums
608: Home
609: Community Forums
610: Community Forums
611: News
612: Community Forums
613: Community Forums
614: Community Forums
615: Community Forums
616: Community Forums
617: Community Forums
618: Community Forums
619: Community Forums
620: Downloads
621: Community Forums
622: Home
623: Community Forums
624: Photo Gallery
625: Community Forums
626: Community Forums
627: News
628: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
M551 Vietnam Question
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
cfbush2000
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 13, 2006
Posts: 6

PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:29 pm
Post subject: M551 Vietnam Question

Hello,
I'm doing a Vietnam era Sheridan and would like to add the stowage rack that some had mounted on the rear hull. I have a few pictures showing the racks from the side of the vehicle. What I have not been able to find is a picture from the back of the tank, showing the rack in full.
Any help (pictures, drawings, descriptions) would be welcome.
Thanks

Chuck Bush
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:34 pm
Post subject: Re: M551 Vietnam Question

Chuck,
See if something here can help:

www.vhpamuseum.org/11t...hcav.shtml

Also check Howard Thompson's incredible 1/8th scale model of "Arizona"

www.sampson-jeff.com/t.../index.htm
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:03 pm
Post subject: Re: M551 Vietnam Question

[img][/img][img][/img][img][/img]
Here are shots of the Sheridan at Fort Irwin, painted up in 11th ACR markings. I only have two shots that show the rear area of the turret. this vehicle is missing all its swim gear and the "tea cup" armor that was atop the turret MG. I hope this helps.

_________________
SFC Jeff Button "High Angle Hell"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:17 pm
Post subject: Re: M551 Vietnam Question

Jeff,
Sheridans in Vietnam service generally had an "add-on" rack or two (along with any number of other modifications) that expanded their carrying capacity. The one at Ft. Irwin lacks all of the typical VN mods.
I have closeups of the rear of the magnificent example at the MVTF ("Littlefield Collection"), but it is done up as a late example of a 3/73rd Armor, 82nd Abn. vehicle and not Vietnam.

Doug
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:45 pm
Post subject: Re: M551 Vietnam Question

This is a "plain vanilla" M551 from my M551 AR/AAV Training Course at Ft. Knox in '71:


...and this, the 3/73rd Armor, 82nd Abn example at the MVTF (Littlefield's):
(Both are like the Ft. Irwin example...neither is typical of Sheridans in Vietnam service)



Refer to my first post in this thread for images of the VN style rack (and in Mr. Thompson's incredibly detailed model)
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:55 am
Post subject: Re: M551 Vietnam Question

Hull racks (unofficial)...best views I have:


Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
cfbush2000
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 13, 2006
Posts: 6

PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:08 am
Post subject: Re: M551 Vietnam Question

Thanks for the help Folks. Now I just need to get in gear and scratch the rack.

Chuck
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:11 am
Post subject: Re: M551 Vietnam Question

Don't try to make it look too "finished"....it's just flat welded steel bits...easy to scratch build. Show us pics when you finish!
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Jens_O_Mehner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 511
Location: Giessen, Germany
PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:27 am
Post subject: Re: M551 Vietnam Question

Look dear,

that nice Mr Kibbey has posted some more of his nice Sheridan photos- apparently he has been holding out on us! (Why, that...)

Mmmmmore puh-leaze, Mr Kibbey Wink

Cheers,

Jens O.
Back to top
View user's profile
cfbush2000
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 13, 2006
Posts: 6

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:20 am
Post subject: Re: M551 Vietnam Question

- Doug_Kibbey
Don't try to make it look too "finished"....it's just flat welded steel bits...easy to scratch build. Show us pics when you finish!


More info! If I may ask a bit more.
1. Was the rack welded directly to the deck? It looks like it is directly over the tool mounts. On some pics it looks elevated.
2. Did the rack extend over the lifting eyes?
3. I know, I'm obsessing here. I'm really an OOB kind of modeller, but sometimes get hung up on a point, like this.
Chuck.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:16 am
Post subject: Re: M551 Vietnam Question

- cfbush2000

More info! If I may ask a bit more.
1. Was the rack welded directly to the deck? It looks like it is directly over the tool mounts. On some pics it looks elevated.
2. Did the rack extend over the lifting eyes?
3. I know, I'm obsessing here. I'm really an OOB kind of modeller, but sometimes get hung up on a point, like this.
Chuck.


Hi Chuck! Hi Folks!

1. NO, rack was steel, hull is aluminum, and even at the direct support level no one had welding gear for aluminum.

The rack had four legs which covered four bolt hole over the rear angled engine deck. If I remember right, those four bolts would be at the far corners of that deck.

2. I not sure, but after looking at C19s rack for a bit, it looks like the rear (bottom) leg is not at the corner of the rack. That would mean the rack does extend behond the edges of the engine deck and possible cover up the lift points some. One way to try and get the width is to find four 20 mm ammo cans, four five gallon water cans or four C-Ration boxs or a fix of water cans and boxes equal to four. Total of eight items in the rack. The 20 mm ammo cans where used by each crew member as a water and dust prouf storage box for personel gear.

3. You can only keep asking questions until you are not hung up.

Here is another (poor) side view of an empty rack for a Charlie Troop Sheridan that was headed home.



Spot Report!
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.


Last edited by Roy_A_Lingle on Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:27 am; edited 3 times in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:21 am
Post subject: Re: M551 Vietnam Question

- cfbush2000
- Doug_Kibbey
Don't try to make it look too "finished"....it's just flat welded steel bits...easy to scratch build. Show us pics when you finish!


More info! If I may ask a bit more.
1. Was the rack welded directly to the deck? It looks like it is directly over the tool mounts. On some pics it looks elevated.
2. Did the rack extend over the lifting eyes?
3. I know, I'm obsessing here. I'm really an OOB kind of modeller, but sometimes get hung up on a point, like this.
Chuck.


Chuck,
I really can't give you any more info on what's a pretty minor detail to recall after 35 years, but I wouldn't sweat it too much either. A certain "latitude" for a field mod like this is acceptable given the improvised nature and circumstances (and some were likely damaged, repaired, altered).

It's the Roy and Doug tag team show...
Well...edit that...Roy got on while I was typing and posted the same pic of his I was putting up...better answer, too! And to the best of my knowledge, you can't weld aluminum to steel directly...but I've been wrong before. Rolling Eyes

that nice Mr Kibbey has posted some more of his nice Sheridan photos- apparently he has been holding out on us! (Why, that...)

Mmmmmore puh-leaze, Mr Kibbey


Not a bit of it Jens...haven't been holding out. Smile Most or all of those pics are either up on my VHPA pages, or had been posted on the "old" forum before...well maybe not the one of the bustle at Littlefield's. I editted a couple down to show some detail for Chuck. All my vehicle pics from VN have been posted on at least one site...usually more than one, over the years.
I have detail shots from the MVTF, but most of those are WAY esoteric and not really unique.

Something special you need?
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:53 am
Post subject: Re: M551 Vietnam Question

Hi Folks!

Don't know if these will be of much help.

The top one comes out of "Find the Bastards...Then Pile On" by SMAJ Bill Squires, page 59.



This one is from article out of the January February 2000 issue of Armor magazine, page 23



Spot Report from the Doug and Roy team!
Doug what happiened to the HHT M88 operator?
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:03 am
Post subject: Re: M551 Vietnam Question

- Roy_A_Lingle
Spot Report from the Doug and Roy team!
Doug what happiened to the HHT M88 operator?
Sgt, Scouts Out!


Roy...
'dunno....I emailed him and posted a reply on the old forum so he'd know where to find us. Then again, not everyone is as obsessive about checking in on the forum as some of us are.... Rolling Eyes
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
cfbush2000
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 13, 2006
Posts: 6

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:13 am
Post subject: Re: M551 Vietnam Question

You guys are amazing!
Roy...Those pics are just what I was looking for. Thanks.
I'll post a pic when I get the rack done.
Thanks again guys.
Chuck
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 3
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum