±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 569
Total: 569
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Photo Gallery
03: Home
04: Photo Gallery
05: Community Forums
06: Home
07: Member Screenshots
08: Home
09: Community Forums
10: Photo Gallery
11: Photo Gallery
12: Photo Gallery
13: Community Forums
14: Statistics
15: Photo Gallery
16: Home
17: Home
18: Photo Gallery
19: Photo Gallery
20: Photo Gallery
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Community Forums
32: Community Forums
33: Photo Gallery
34: Community Forums
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: Home
41: Community Forums
42: Photo Gallery
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Community Forums
46: Community Forums
47: Member Screenshots
48: Photo Gallery
49: Community Forums
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Community Forums
53: Photo Gallery
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Photo Gallery
57: Home
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: CPGlang
63: Community Forums
64: Community Forums
65: Home
66: Member Screenshots
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: Photo Gallery
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Home
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Downloads
77: Member Screenshots
78: Community Forums
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: Photo Gallery
85: Community Forums
86: Community Forums
87: Community Forums
88: Community Forums
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: Photo Gallery
95: Community Forums
96: Community Forums
97: Photo Gallery
98: Community Forums
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Home
102: Photo Gallery
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: Your Account
106: Photo Gallery
107: Home
108: Community Forums
109: Community Forums
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Home
113: Community Forums
114: Community Forums
115: Community Forums
116: Photo Gallery
117: Photo Gallery
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: Community Forums
121: Community Forums
122: Community Forums
123: Community Forums
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Community Forums
129: Member Screenshots
130: Community Forums
131: Community Forums
132: Your Account
133: Member Screenshots
134: Home
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: Photo Gallery
138: Home
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Community Forums
143: Home
144: Community Forums
145: Community Forums
146: Photo Gallery
147: Community Forums
148: Photo Gallery
149: Community Forums
150: Photo Gallery
151: Photo Gallery
152: Community Forums
153: Community Forums
154: Community Forums
155: Community Forums
156: Community Forums
157: Community Forums
158: Community Forums
159: Community Forums
160: Community Forums
161: Photo Gallery
162: Community Forums
163: Community Forums
164: Community Forums
165: Home
166: Photo Gallery
167: Community Forums
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: CPGlang
171: Community Forums
172: Photo Gallery
173: Community Forums
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Home
177: Community Forums
178: Member Screenshots
179: Community Forums
180: Photo Gallery
181: Community Forums
182: Photo Gallery
183: Community Forums
184: Community Forums
185: Home
186: Home
187: Photo Gallery
188: Home
189: Community Forums
190: Photo Gallery
191: Home
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: Community Forums
195: Photo Gallery
196: Member Screenshots
197: Community Forums
198: Downloads
199: LinkToUs
200: Home
201: CPGlang
202: Photo Gallery
203: Photo Gallery
204: Community Forums
205: Home
206: Photo Gallery
207: Statistics
208: Community Forums
209: Photo Gallery
210: Photo Gallery
211: Community Forums
212: CPGlang
213: Community Forums
214: Community Forums
215: Community Forums
216: Community Forums
217: CPGlang
218: Downloads
219: Community Forums
220: CPGlang
221: Photo Gallery
222: Community Forums
223: Home
224: Community Forums
225: Downloads
226: Community Forums
227: Community Forums
228: Community Forums
229: Community Forums
230: Community Forums
231: Community Forums
232: Community Forums
233: Community Forums
234: Community Forums
235: Community Forums
236: Member Screenshots
237: Photo Gallery
238: Community Forums
239: Community Forums
240: Community Forums
241: Home
242: Your Account
243: Community Forums
244: Community Forums
245: Photo Gallery
246: Community Forums
247: Community Forums
248: Community Forums
249: Community Forums
250: Community Forums
251: Community Forums
252: Photo Gallery
253: Photo Gallery
254: Community Forums
255: Home
256: Photo Gallery
257: Photo Gallery
258: CPGlang
259: Photo Gallery
260: Community Forums
261: Home
262: Community Forums
263: Home
264: Community Forums
265: Statistics
266: Photo Gallery
267: Photo Gallery
268: Community Forums
269: Community Forums
270: Photo Gallery
271: Statistics
272: Community Forums
273: Community Forums
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: Community Forums
280: Community Forums
281: Community Forums
282: Home
283: Community Forums
284: Photo Gallery
285: Community Forums
286: Community Forums
287: Photo Gallery
288: Community Forums
289: Community Forums
290: Photo Gallery
291: Community Forums
292: Community Forums
293: Community Forums
294: Community Forums
295: Community Forums
296: Photo Gallery
297: Community Forums
298: Photo Gallery
299: Community Forums
300: Community Forums
301: Community Forums
302: Community Forums
303: Community Forums
304: Community Forums
305: Community Forums
306: Your Account
307: Photo Gallery
308: Home
309: Downloads
310: Community Forums
311: Community Forums
312: Community Forums
313: Community Forums
314: Community Forums
315: Photo Gallery
316: Community Forums
317: Community Forums
318: Community Forums
319: Community Forums
320: Member Screenshots
321: Downloads
322: Photo Gallery
323: Community Forums
324: Community Forums
325: News
326: Home
327: Community Forums
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: Home
331: Community Forums
332: Community Forums
333: Statistics
334: Community Forums
335: Community Forums
336: Downloads
337: Community Forums
338: Member Screenshots
339: Community Forums
340: Home
341: Community Forums
342: Community Forums
343: Home
344: Community Forums
345: Home
346: Community Forums
347: Photo Gallery
348: Community Forums
349: Community Forums
350: Downloads
351: Photo Gallery
352: Community Forums
353: Photo Gallery
354: Community Forums
355: Community Forums
356: Photo Gallery
357: Community Forums
358: Community Forums
359: Your Account
360: Community Forums
361: Community Forums
362: Community Forums
363: Downloads
364: CPGlang
365: Community Forums
366: Community Forums
367: Downloads
368: Community Forums
369: Community Forums
370: Your Account
371: Photo Gallery
372: Community Forums
373: Downloads
374: Photo Gallery
375: Photo Gallery
376: Community Forums
377: Downloads
378: Photo Gallery
379: Home
380: Community Forums
381: Home
382: Member Screenshots
383: Downloads
384: Home
385: Downloads
386: Community Forums
387: CPGlang
388: Community Forums
389: Community Forums
390: Photo Gallery
391: Photo Gallery
392: Photo Gallery
393: Photo Gallery
394: Community Forums
395: Photo Gallery
396: Community Forums
397: Community Forums
398: Community Forums
399: Community Forums
400: CPGlang
401: Home
402: Photo Gallery
403: Community Forums
404: Community Forums
405: Community Forums
406: Community Forums
407: Community Forums
408: Home
409: Community Forums
410: Community Forums
411: Downloads
412: Home
413: Home
414: Community Forums
415: Photo Gallery
416: Member Screenshots
417: Home
418: Statistics
419: Community Forums
420: Community Forums
421: Community Forums
422: Community Forums
423: Community Forums
424: Photo Gallery
425: Community Forums
426: Community Forums
427: Photo Gallery
428: Community Forums
429: Your Account
430: Photo Gallery
431: Community Forums
432: Community Forums
433: Community Forums
434: Community Forums
435: Community Forums
436: Community Forums
437: Community Forums
438: Photo Gallery
439: Community Forums
440: Member Screenshots
441: Community Forums
442: Community Forums
443: Community Forums
444: Community Forums
445: Home
446: Community Forums
447: Community Forums
448: Photo Gallery
449: Community Forums
450: Community Forums
451: News Archive
452: Community Forums
453: Community Forums
454: Photo Gallery
455: Community Forums
456: Community Forums
457: Statistics
458: Community Forums
459: Community Forums
460: Photo Gallery
461: Statistics
462: Community Forums
463: Photo Gallery
464: Photo Gallery
465: Community Forums
466: Community Forums
467: Community Forums
468: Community Forums
469: Community Forums
470: Your Account
471: Community Forums
472: Community Forums
473: Community Forums
474: Photo Gallery
475: Community Forums
476: Community Forums
477: Photo Gallery
478: Your Account
479: Photo Gallery
480: Community Forums
481: CPGlang
482: Community Forums
483: Photo Gallery
484: Community Forums
485: Downloads
486: Community Forums
487: Your Account
488: Community Forums
489: Community Forums
490: Community Forums
491: Community Forums
492: Community Forums
493: Community Forums
494: Photo Gallery
495: Community Forums
496: Community Forums
497: Community Forums
498: Community Forums
499: Community Forums
500: Photo Gallery
501: Community Forums
502: Community Forums
503: Community Forums
504: Community Forums
505: Community Forums
506: Community Forums
507: Community Forums
508: Photo Gallery
509: Photo Gallery
510: Community Forums
511: Community Forums
512: Community Forums
513: Community Forums
514: CPGlang
515: Community Forums
516: Community Forums
517: Community Forums
518: Community Forums
519: Community Forums
520: Community Forums
521: Community Forums
522: Photo Gallery
523: Home
524: Community Forums
525: CPGlang
526: Community Forums
527: Your Account
528: Your Account
529: Photo Gallery
530: Community Forums
531: Community Forums
532: Photo Gallery
533: Home
534: Home
535: Home
536: Community Forums
537: Member Screenshots
538: CPGlang
539: Community Forums
540: Home
541: Statistics
542: Photo Gallery
543: Community Forums
544: Photo Gallery
545: Community Forums
546: Home
547: Photo Gallery
548: Community Forums
549: Home
550: Home
551: Photo Gallery
552: Community Forums
553: Community Forums
554: Photo Gallery
555: Community Forums
556: Photo Gallery
557: Home
558: Community Forums
559: Community Forums
560: Home
561: Community Forums
562: Community Forums
563: Community Forums
564: Community Forums
565: Photo Gallery
566: Downloads
567: Community Forums
568: Community Forums
569: Home

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
RichardIsner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 04, 2006
Posts: 13

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:00 am
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

Hi, all,

It is great to see that the Elephant got some attention. Sadly, it will likkely end up on a concrete plinth to continue its rusting in the salt air of the Chesapeake. I can remember taking pictures of the beast in 1973! (Ok, I admit it...I am getting old!)

I can remember the Tiger I, the Panzer II and the Marder II, before they went to Germany. I realize many people will hate me for this, but I am glad they went! The Panzer II looks very nice...at least in the last photos I saw. I think the Marder is under cover as well. As for the Tiger I, I would love to see Kevin Wheatcroft restore it to running condition, fill in the side cut-outs with steel, and display it in England. If the Tiger does ever make it back here, I hope it goes into the musuem at Knox! I love APG, but putting any vehicle on concrete there is probably a death sentence. I mean no offense to the folks who work hard and volunteer at APG, or to its staff. They have precious little, and money is just not there. But I would rather see the vehicles restored and shown at selected times and special events, then put back in their stables out of the weather. I can drive to Aberdeen any day in 2 hours, but I would hate to see a wonderful and very significant relic go to what is its graveyard.

Now, if the Army would let some private collectors with deep pockets fix 'em up...that would be another story.

Anyway, hope they put some zimm on the Elephant.

Richard Isner
Back to top
View user's profile
Sundrtonge
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 17, 2006
Posts: 35

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:25 am
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

If anyone is interested I have recently gotten my hands on some slides of Aberdeen (23 slides) showing various items of interest to include the Elephant in the dark yellow color. The slides are from the seventies and I have taken them to a photo lab to get put on disk. I think there may be a picture of at least the King tiger there as well maybe the tiger I (cant remember). I will be pickeing them up on thursday so perhaps I can post em over the weekend if interested.

-Dave
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:37 am
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

- RichardIsner


Now, if the Army would let some private collectors with deep pockets fix 'em up...that would be another story.


Yeah Richard, but if they did that they'd only be open to the public one day a year - if we're so lucky Wink

To provide a more reasoned response, I'd rather focus on getting the Ordnance Museum the funds it needs to have a real museum - whether its at APG or at Fort Lee. I'd prefer a museum of well-preserved non-running vehicles (perhaps with a small number of runners) that can be seen by millions of people day in and day out instead of an entirely running collection that is seen by a few thousand people once a year... But to each his own I guess...

Furthermore, with all due respect to Don and the Patton Museum volunteers, there's no insurance that the "armor museum" that winds up at Fort Benning will be anything like the current museum at Fort Knox - at the very least it wont have the benefit of an in-place crew of dedicated volunteers that it currently does. For better or worse, there might be very little difference between the Ordnance and Armor museums in 5 or 10 years.

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:27 am
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

Well I've been holding some pictures from moving day on you Laughing

These were taken when we opened the hatch to drop some bug bombs in the fighting compartment. These are all taken sticking the camera down the hatch.

First one is pretty much straight down


This one is looking aft


This one is holding the camera down in and looking forward and up. The whitge area is the sliding arc hatch in the forward left corner of the compartment


Last interior shot is looking down and towards the right rear corner.


The recoil guard can be seen in most of the pictures to give you an idea of the relationship of the photos

One last photo. While we were waiting for the HETT to get there I was offered a chance togo for a ride in the M88 (They wouldn't let me drive Crying or Very sad ) We spent almost 10 minutes driving around he big field behind where the Elephant had been sitting. This one is from across the field as we were pointed back at the Elephant

_________________
Bob Smart (bsmart@xecu.net)
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Sundrtonge
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 17, 2006
Posts: 35

PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:03 pm
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

Well here goes. Its my first picture using photobucket, thought id try it over my own site this time. One of the other pics is of the King tiger (with a little of the tiger I (in grey in the background). I assume this is the King at Ft Knox.

Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:11 pm
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

That picture is from a LOOONNNGGG time ago! It was taken prior to 1985. You can tell because there are no concrete pads. The pads were installed in 1985 (or so) making a good 'Epoch Boundry' for judging photos.

_________________
Bob Smart (bsmart@xecu.net)
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Sundrtonge
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 17, 2006
Posts: 35

PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:14 pm
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

Its hard to tell on the slides, I think it says June 84 ( I originally thought they were from teh 70's).

If this works I will post the King picture (look in the background for the Tiger I as well).

-Dave
Back to top
View user's profile
Sundrtonge
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 17, 2006
Posts: 35

PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:22 pm
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

Here is the other shot of the Elephant. Again I am sorry if the pics dont post to forum rules, still learning.

-Dave

Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:42 pm
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

Why was the Elefant moved to the railhead?

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
piney
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 2330
Location: Republic of Southern New Jersey
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:38 pm
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

I'll let Bob address thst but here is a further trip down memory lane, I apologize in advance for the picture quality, but I just shot pictures of the slides since I haven't had a chance to get them transferred yet
August 1979


March 1980 during the boy scout repaint era


some other goodies, a really colorful 1978 scheme


This is behind the fence now but here's the inscription


These are just plain gone







drooling yet Bob Wink

Jeff Lewis
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:31 pm
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

- the_shadock
Why was the Elefant moved to the railhead?

P-O


Back at some time in the past the Elephant was sent to Anniston to be worked on. At Anniston the removed the casemate (at least partially with a cutting torch Evil or Very Mad ) It sat at Anniston uncompleted and eventually was sent back to Aberdeen. There it was unloaded from the railcar and sat for at least 7 years until last month

_________________
Bob Smart (bsmart@xecu.net)
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
piney
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 2330
Location: Republic of Southern New Jersey
PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:50 am
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

Anniston at work!

Evil or Very Mad

Jeff Lewis
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 2:30 pm
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

Hi Folks!

- piney
Anniston at work!

Evil or Very Mad

Jeff Lewis


My guess would be that the folks at Anniston couldn't get those plates to come off and planned to replace them with copies when they put the top back on. To bad they didn't get around to finishing what they started.

My SWAG on Anniston's work.
Sgt, Scouts out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 10:15 pm
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

- piney


These are just plain gone





Now at Saumur - given back to France in 1987.





Sigh... The thin-skins... I've simply been told they are all "gone" now...

The trucks in the background may be at the Transportation or Quartermaster Museums, but I havent been able to confirm that...







Sd.Kfz. 234/1 sPz Sp Wg 2cm Gun Armored Car I believe... You gotta think its somewhere... They scrapped stuff in the 50s... But I have a hard time believing they would have in the 80s... Possibly overseas...







Hmm... Whats this one???

As for the SdKfz 251 SPW next to it, its probably the one the March 1995 issue of the Journal of Military Ordnance reported as "shipped out."

Neil


Last edited by Neil_Baumgardner on Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:38 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile
Garry_Redmon
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 398
Location: Kentucky
PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 2:15 am
Post subject: Re: FLASH UPDATE -- The Abedeen Elephant has been moved

That is the Beobachtungspanzer RK 7 otherwise known as the SdKfz 254. It was an Austrian-made vehicle designed by Saurer that was used as an OP vehicle with armored artillery units.

_________________
armorfortheages.com/
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 2 of 3
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum