±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 206
Total: 206
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Downloads
02: Member Screenshots
03: Member Screenshots
04: Community Forums
05: Member Screenshots
06: Community Forums
07: Community Forums
08: Community Forums
09: News Archive
10: CPGlang
11: Community Forums
12: Community Forums
13: Photo Gallery
14: CPGlang
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: Home
22: Photo Gallery
23: Home
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Member Screenshots
27: Community Forums
28: CPGlang
29: News
30: Photo Gallery
31: Photo Gallery
32: Photo Gallery
33: Photo Gallery
34: Community Forums
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Home
39: Community Forums
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Downloads
43: Photo Gallery
44: Community Forums
45: Community Forums
46: Downloads
47: Community Forums
48: Photo Gallery
49: Community Forums
50: CPGlang
51: Community Forums
52: Community Forums
53: Home
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Photo Gallery
57: Community Forums
58: Community Forums
59: News Archive
60: Home
61: Photo Gallery
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Community Forums
65: Photo Gallery
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: Home
71: Community Forums
72: Home
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Photo Gallery
76: Photo Gallery
77: Community Forums
78: Photo Gallery
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Photo Gallery
83: Community Forums
84: Community Forums
85: Community Forums
86: Photo Gallery
87: Community Forums
88: Community Forums
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Photo Gallery
92: Community Forums
93: Home
94: Photo Gallery
95: CPGlang
96: Community Forums
97: Community Forums
98: Community Forums
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Home
102: Home
103: Community Forums
104: Photo Gallery
105: Community Forums
106: Community Forums
107: News Archive
108: Community Forums
109: Community Forums
110: Home
111: Home
112: Home
113: Photo Gallery
114: Community Forums
115: Home
116: Community Forums
117: Photo Gallery
118: Photo Gallery
119: Photo Gallery
120: News Archive
121: Photo Gallery
122: Photo Gallery
123: Community Forums
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Home
128: Community Forums
129: Community Forums
130: Community Forums
131: Community Forums
132: Photo Gallery
133: Member Screenshots
134: Photo Gallery
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: Photo Gallery
138: Downloads
139: Home
140: Community Forums
141: Your Account
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Photo Gallery
145: Photo Gallery
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Photo Gallery
149: Photo Gallery
150: Your Account
151: Community Forums
152: Photo Gallery
153: Community Forums
154: Photo Gallery
155: Community Forums
156: Photo Gallery
157: Member Screenshots
158: Community Forums
159: Photo Gallery
160: Community Forums
161: Home
162: Home
163: Community Forums
164: Home
165: Photo Gallery
166: Downloads
167: Photo Gallery
168: Community Forums
169: Home
170: Community Forums
171: Home
172: Community Forums
173: Community Forums
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Photo Gallery
177: Community Forums
178: Community Forums
179: Community Forums
180: Community Forums
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: News Archive
184: Community Forums
185: Community Forums
186: Photo Gallery
187: Community Forums
188: Photo Gallery
189: Community Forums
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: Photo Gallery
193: Community Forums
194: Community Forums
195: Photo Gallery
196: Downloads
197: Community Forums
198: Community Forums
199: Your Account
200: Community Forums
201: Community Forums
202: Photo Gallery
203: Community Forums
204: News Archive
205: Community Forums
206: Photo Gallery

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
new panther turns up at Beltring
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
jtrowbridge5
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 234

PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:07 am
Post subject: new panther turns up at Beltring

A Panther Ausf "A" owned by Rex Cadman [owner of beltring] on show for the first time at this years Beltring show.

dennis

Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:38 am
Post subject: Re: new panther turns up at Beltring

Hi Dennis! Hi Folks!

Looking good! Any idea want the history behind that AFV is.
Like where is was found and who did all that great work?

Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
jtrowbridge5
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 234

PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:48 am
Post subject: Re: new panther turns up at Beltring

Roy,
I think they have big ideals for this panther I was told they have the engine and most of the body fittings[they were removed for a quick paint job] They are talking of having a British tank diesel engine fitted so it seems they intend to get it running.
dennis
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 12:47 pm
Post subject: Re: new panther turns up at Beltring

- Roy_A_Lingle
Hi Dennis! Hi Folks!
who did all that great work?
Sgt, Scouts Out!


IIRC the only original stuff on this is the suspension and lower half of the hull. A lot of 'reconstructing' went into it and it shows in places like the welds & armour cuts.

Cool

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
jtrowbridge5
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 234

PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 12:56 pm
Post subject: Re: new panther turns up at Beltring

have included owners panzer 4 in the same album
dennis
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Garry_Redmon
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 398
Location: Kentucky
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:25 pm
Post subject: Re: new panther turns up at Beltring

- JimWeb
- Roy_A_Lingle
Hi Dennis! Hi Folks!
who did all that great work?
Sgt, Scouts Out!


IIRC the only original stuff on this is the suspension and lower half of the hull. A lot of 'reconstructing' went into it and it shows in places like the welds & armour cuts.

Cool


Jim,
Could you please point out which photo(s) show the reconstructing and specifically where they are in the photo.

Thanks,
Garry

_________________
armorfortheages.com/
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:23 pm
Post subject: Re: new panther turns up at Beltring

- Garry_Redmon

Could you please point out which photo(s) show the reconstructing and specifically where they are in the photo.


If I had the time maybe. Might I suggest you look at some decent images of the Panther and arrive at your own conclusion. If not then look at JTs image of the

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:27 pm
Post subject: Re: new panther turns up at Beltring

- Garry_Redmon

Could you please point out which photo(s) show the reconstructing and specifically where they are in the photo.


If I had the time maybe. Might I suggest you look at some decent images of the Panther and arrive at your own conclusion. If not then look at JTs image entitled 'Poor panther condition'

news.webshots.com/phot...7170hqcAfW

They quite clearly show the edges of the glacis plate which are ,typically, for a Panther machined flat and not cut with a blowtorch. I'm sure if you do a greater comparison you'll notice other minor (and I stress minor) anomolies.

Cool

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:50 pm
Post subject: Re: new panther turns up at Beltring

- JimWeb
- Garry_Redmon

Could you please point out which photo(s) show the reconstructing and specifically where they are in the photo.


If I had the time maybe. Might I suggest you look at some decent images of the Panther and arrive at your own conclusion. If not then look at JTs image entitled 'Poor panther condition'

news.webshots.com/phot...7170hqcAfW

They quite clearly show the edges of the glacis plate which are ,typically, for a Panther machined flat and not cut with a blowtorch. I'm sure if you do a greater comparison you'll notice other minor (and I stress minor) anomolies.

Cool


I noticed that too. Idon't remember seeing such a 'rough' fit on the armor plates.

Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 9:37 pm
Post subject: Re: new panther turns up at Beltring

Well here it is before restoration started and more complete than rumoured - looks like they replaced the glacis plate and made a right horlicks of it considering they had an almost complete one to copy.

www.zundapp.co.uk/kwlata.jpg

Cool

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
davemarian
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jul 22, 2007
Posts: 9

PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 2:06 pm
Post subject: Re: new panther turns up at Beltring

- JimWeb


They quite clearly show the edges of the glacis plate which are ,typically, for a Panther machined flat and not cut with a blowtorch. I'm sure if you do a greater comparison you'll notice other minor (and I stress minor) anomolies.

Cool


Hello!! I'm pretty sure that the edges of the glacis plates were never fully machined. One of the original ideas with the Panther, was to flame cut the plates and weld up the sometimes large gaps. This (for the most part) eliminated the second process of machining the edges and bevels prior to welding. This process is described in the Spielberger book. The linked pictures look like a factory cut and welded front plate. just my .02 DAVE
Back to top
View user's profile
zundappuk
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 65
Location: Behind the Westwall, really!
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:16 pm
Post subject: Re: new panther turns up at Beltring

- JimWeb
Well here it is before restoration started and more complete than rumoured - looks like they replaced the glacis plate and made a right horlicks of it considering they had an almost complete one to copy.

www.zundapp.co.uk/kwlata.jpg

Cool


Jim,

Not quite. That picture reference is from my website, and is one I took a couple of years ago of the 3rd Panther in the Wheatcroft collection. The Cadmans Panther hull/turret is original and came from the French Tank museum in exchange for restoration work they had done for the museum.

They have owned this Panther for some time, a small photo of it appeared
in the late and long lamented "wheels and Tracks" magazine when it arrived in their collection at least 5 years ago.

David
Back to top
View user's profile
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:44 pm
Post subject: Re: new panther turns up at Beltring

Third panther? I was only aware of two - the one at Beltring and another (more complete) still under restoration?

Cool

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
Rikard_Hufschmied
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 458
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:04 pm
Post subject: Re: new panther turns up at Beltring

- JimWeb
Third panther? I was only aware of two - the one at Beltring and another (more complete) still under restoration?

Cool


Jim,

You're mistaking Rex Cadman for Kevin Wheatcroft. Mr.Wheatcroft has three (all Ausf.A's) and the Cadmans may have one more than the one now picture confimed (rumors about a Bergepanther).

_________________
Frustra Nate Vive Devincere
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:20 pm
Post subject: Re: new panther turns up at Beltring

The trouble with a lot of this is there is nothing but rumours to go on Sad

Cool

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum