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Neil_Baumgardner Power User

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Doug_Kibbey Power User

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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: M48 Patton at the Armed Forces Retirement Home |
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It's been upgunned, but the cupola is not right for an A5. I'd have to check about the air cleaners and such, but I have my doubts about those.
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MarkHolloway Power User

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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:05 pm Post subject: Re: M48 Patton at the Armed Forces Retirement Home |
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I remember once looking through an M48A5 TM and it mentioned a version with this cupola. All of the ones I ever saw were the low-profile cupola. But I do believe this is an M48A5 with the cupola that was on the A3.
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tanker2010 Power User

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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:57 pm Post subject: Re: M48 Patton at the Armed Forces Retirement Home |
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Yes, it's an early A5. The A5 was basicly a M48A3 MOD B with a 105MM. The ones with the Urdan cupola were a M48A5PI.
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binder001 Power User

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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: M48 Patton at the Armed Forces Retirement Home |
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Interesting shots. I didn't know any of the early M48A5s got saved. When the weather and sun angles allow, how about some frontal shots?
Thanks for posting
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Joe_D Power User

Offline Joined: Jan 29, 2006 Posts: 2061 Location: Razorback Country
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:37 pm Post subject: Re: M48 Patton at the Armed Forces Retirement Home |
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This one is rare,
IAW the TM only SN's 3001 to 3374 came with the Modified (bulged hatch) M1 cupola. She definately was a former A3, still has the 90mm travel lock. Air cleaners are correct for an early A5 too, Even the 4 tone paint is period to include the black star. Surpised she survived the big AVLB conversion/production at Anniston for the Division '86 requirements. Great find Neil  !
If you can, get the SN to see if the TM is correct, should be the same place as the M60.
Joe D
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Neil_Baumgardner Power User

Offline Joined: Jan 24, 2006 Posts: 3942 Location: Arlington, VA
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:28 pm Post subject: Re: M48 Patton at the Armed Forces Retirement Home |
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The problem wasnt the sun & angles but access! You normally cant get inside the retirement home grounds unless you are a resident or a visitor... So I took those pics through a fence...
I'll try to call their public affairs folks this week to see if I can somehow get in - maybe this weekend if they'll let me...
FWIW, TACOM says the SN is 554.
Neil
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Neil_Baumgardner Power User

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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:28 pm Post subject: Re: M48 Patton at the Armed Forces Retirement Home |
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BTW, I just got set up to check this out tomorrow afternoon.
Neil
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Neil_Baumgardner Power User

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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: M48 Patton at the Armed Forces Retirement Home |
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- Joe_D
This one is rare,
IAW the TM only SN's 3001 to 3374 came with the Modified (bulged hatch) M1 cupola. She definately was a former A3, still has the 90mm travel lock. Air cleaners are correct for an early A5 too, Even the 4 tone paint is period to include the black star. Surpised she survived the big AVLB conversion/production at Anniston for the Division '86 requirements. Great find Neil  !
If you can, get the SN to see if the TM is correct, should be the same place as the M60.
You hit the nail on the head as always Joe - this one is SN A3008.
I couldnt find an RN painted on it anywhere, except for "008" which (partially) matches the SN.
Neil
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Joe_D Power User

Offline Joined: Jan 29, 2006 Posts: 2061 Location: Razorback Country
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:57 am Post subject: Re: M48A5 Patton at the Armed Forces Retirement Home |
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Thanks for the update Neil,
We can assume this is the 8th M48A5 made. Makes me wonder if She came from Aberdeen after the school house finished with her. Would explain the low number and the great condition She's in. I'm not tracking M48A5's like I do the 60 series but I don't think any of the others still around are the early models with the M1 cupola. Might be one of a very small number left (Maybe the only one  ).
Joe D
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Tom_Willoughby Power User

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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:01 pm Post subject: Re: M48A5 Patton at the Armed Forces Retirement Home |
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My unit actually used one like that for a weekend gunnery at Indiantown Gap in PA. It was the mid 80s. The tanks belonged to the PA Guard. So some of them did end up in Reserve units. Most of the 48A5s I saw or crewed had low profile cupolas, and top loading aluminum air cleaners. In the late 80s right before we gave up the 48s some new rebuilds arrived at Fort Drum MATES, they had top loading armored air cleaners and non directional tracks. Rumor had it that these were slated for DIVAD chassis but after the program had been cancel they stayed tanks.
Tom Willoughby
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Joe_D Power User

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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: M48A5 Patton at the Armed Forces Retirement Home |
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Hey Tom,
One of those FT Drum 48's you mention is now a static display outside Chattannooga TN. Thought you'd like to know.
Joe D
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Tom_Willoughby Power User

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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:15 pm Post subject: Re: M48A5 Patton at the Armed Forces Retirement Home |
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Joe,
Thats a better fate then a lot of them got dumped in the ocean as artificial reefs. M60s and M551s as well. It was called Reef EX. Quite a shame.
Tom
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Neil_Baumgardner Power User

Offline Joined: Jan 24, 2006 Posts: 3942 Location: Arlington, VA
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: M48A5 Patton at the Armed Forces Retirement Home |
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BTW, I just got an e-mail from a gentleman who appears to have been tracking AFVs in the VA/DC/MD/PA area since the 90s (in some cases the 70s!). According to him there is an M47 Patton in a DC playground I need to go investigate.
He also identified an M60A3 in Grasonville MD, and M114s in Cumberland and Gaithersburg MD. I am incorporating into register V3.0...
Neil
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bsmart Power User

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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:43 pm Post subject: Re: M48A5 Patton at the Armed Forces Retirement Home |
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- Neil_Baumgardner
BTW, I just got an e-mail from a gentleman who appears to have been tracking AFVs in the VA/DC/MD/PA area since the 90s (in some cases the 70s!). According to him there is an M47 Patton in a DC playground I need to go investigate.
He also identified an M60A3 in Grasonville MD, and M114s in Cumberland and Gaithersburg MD. I am incorporating into register V3.0...
Neil
Neil - I can check on Gaithersburg at lunchtime if you send me an address. And I have family contacts in Grasonville if you have at least a partial location (It ain't that big a place  )
_________________ Bob Smart (bsmart@xecu.net)
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