±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 586
Total: 586
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Your Account
02: Community Forums
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: CPGlang
06: Community Forums
07: Home
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Home
11: Home
12: Community Forums
13: Photo Gallery
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Home
17: Community Forums
18: Community Forums
19: Photo Gallery
20: Statistics
21: Photo Gallery
22: Community Forums
23: Photo Gallery
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Your Account
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: Downloads
35: Community Forums
36: Home
37: Community Forums
38: Home
39: Community Forums
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: Home
45: Photo Gallery
46: Community Forums
47: Home
48: Community Forums
49: Community Forums
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: CPGlang
55: Home
56: Photo Gallery
57: Home
58: Community Forums
59: Downloads
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: CPGlang
71: Community Forums
72: Downloads
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: Home
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Photo Gallery
83: Photo Gallery
84: Community Forums
85: Photo Gallery
86: Community Forums
87: Community Forums
88: Photo Gallery
89: Photo Gallery
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Home
94: Community Forums
95: Community Forums
96: Community Forums
97: Community Forums
98: Community Forums
99: Community Forums
100: Home
101: Your Account
102: Community Forums
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Photo Gallery
107: Photo Gallery
108: Community Forums
109: Community Forums
110: Community Forums
111: Home
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: Community Forums
115: Photo Gallery
116: Community Forums
117: Community Forums
118: Photo Gallery
119: Search
120: Community Forums
121: Community Forums
122: Community Forums
123: Home
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Community Forums
129: Statistics
130: Home
131: Downloads
132: Community Forums
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Photo Gallery
136: Community Forums
137: Community Forums
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Community Forums
145: CPGlang
146: Community Forums
147: Home
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: Home
151: Community Forums
152: Community Forums
153: Photo Gallery
154: Downloads
155: Community Forums
156: Community Forums
157: Community Forums
158: Community Forums
159: Community Forums
160: Home
161: Home
162: Community Forums
163: Community Forums
164: Community Forums
165: Community Forums
166: Photo Gallery
167: Community Forums
168: Community Forums
169: Photo Gallery
170: Photo Gallery
171: Community Forums
172: Community Forums
173: Community Forums
174: Community Forums
175: Photo Gallery
176: Community Forums
177: Photo Gallery
178: Community Forums
179: Downloads
180: Home
181: Photo Gallery
182: Community Forums
183: Community Forums
184: Community Forums
185: Photo Gallery
186: Home
187: Community Forums
188: Community Forums
189: Photo Gallery
190: Community Forums
191: Photo Gallery
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: Community Forums
195: Community Forums
196: Community Forums
197: Photo Gallery
198: Community Forums
199: Photo Gallery
200: Downloads
201: Community Forums
202: Photo Gallery
203: Photo Gallery
204: Community Forums
205: Downloads
206: Home
207: Photo Gallery
208: Your Account
209: Community Forums
210: Photo Gallery
211: Community Forums
212: Photo Gallery
213: Photo Gallery
214: CPGlang
215: Community Forums
216: Community Forums
217: Member Screenshots
218: Community Forums
219: Community Forums
220: Community Forums
221: Community Forums
222: Home
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Your Account
227: Community Forums
228: Community Forums
229: Community Forums
230: Community Forums
231: Community Forums
232: Home
233: Community Forums
234: Community Forums
235: Community Forums
236: Downloads
237: Community Forums
238: Community Forums
239: Community Forums
240: Community Forums
241: Photo Gallery
242: Community Forums
243: Community Forums
244: Community Forums
245: Community Forums
246: Community Forums
247: Community Forums
248: Community Forums
249: Community Forums
250: Community Forums
251: Community Forums
252: Community Forums
253: Statistics
254: Community Forums
255: Photo Gallery
256: Community Forums
257: Photo Gallery
258: Downloads
259: Community Forums
260: Community Forums
261: Community Forums
262: Photo Gallery
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Community Forums
266: News
267: Community Forums
268: Community Forums
269: Community Forums
270: Community Forums
271: Community Forums
272: Home
273: Community Forums
274: Community Forums
275: Downloads
276: Community Forums
277: Photo Gallery
278: Home
279: Photo Gallery
280: Community Forums
281: Community Forums
282: Community Forums
283: Home
284: Community Forums
285: Downloads
286: Photo Gallery
287: Community Forums
288: Community Forums
289: Photo Gallery
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Downloads
293: Photo Gallery
294: Community Forums
295: Photo Gallery
296: Home
297: Community Forums
298: Photo Gallery
299: Community Forums
300: Community Forums
301: Home
302: Community Forums
303: Home
304: Photo Gallery
305: Community Forums
306: Community Forums
307: Community Forums
308: Home
309: Community Forums
310: Home
311: Community Forums
312: Community Forums
313: Photo Gallery
314: Community Forums
315: Community Forums
316: Photo Gallery
317: Home
318: Community Forums
319: CPGlang
320: Community Forums
321: Community Forums
322: Photo Gallery
323: Community Forums
324: Photo Gallery
325: News
326: Photo Gallery
327: Home
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: Community Forums
331: Community Forums
332: Community Forums
333: Community Forums
334: Community Forums
335: Home
336: Photo Gallery
337: Community Forums
338: Community Forums
339: Community Forums
340: Photo Gallery
341: Community Forums
342: Photo Gallery
343: Photo Gallery
344: Community Forums
345: Community Forums
346: Community Forums
347: Community Forums
348: Community Forums
349: Community Forums
350: Community Forums
351: Home
352: Community Forums
353: Community Forums
354: Photo Gallery
355: Photo Gallery
356: Community Forums
357: Community Forums
358: Community Forums
359: Community Forums
360: Community Forums
361: Your Account
362: Community Forums
363: Community Forums
364: Downloads
365: Home
366: Community Forums
367: Home
368: Community Forums
369: Community Forums
370: Community Forums
371: Your Account
372: Photo Gallery
373: Community Forums
374: Community Forums
375: Photo Gallery
376: Community Forums
377: Community Forums
378: Downloads
379: Home
380: Community Forums
381: Community Forums
382: Photo Gallery
383: Community Forums
384: Community Forums
385: Photo Gallery
386: Community Forums
387: Community Forums
388: Community Forums
389: Community Forums
390: Photo Gallery
391: Community Forums
392: Photo Gallery
393: Community Forums
394: Community Forums
395: Community Forums
396: Statistics
397: Photo Gallery
398: Community Forums
399: Home
400: Photo Gallery
401: Home
402: Community Forums
403: Community Forums
404: Community Forums
405: News
406: Home
407: Community Forums
408: Photo Gallery
409: Community Forums
410: Photo Gallery
411: Community Forums
412: Community Forums
413: Community Forums
414: Home
415: Your Account
416: Home
417: Community Forums
418: Photo Gallery
419: Photo Gallery
420: Community Forums
421: Community Forums
422: Community Forums
423: Photo Gallery
424: Home
425: Member Screenshots
426: Photo Gallery
427: Community Forums
428: Community Forums
429: Community Forums
430: Community Forums
431: Community Forums
432: Community Forums
433: Your Account
434: Your Account
435: Your Account
436: Community Forums
437: Community Forums
438: Community Forums
439: News
440: Community Forums
441: Community Forums
442: Community Forums
443: Community Forums
444: Home
445: Community Forums
446: Community Forums
447: Community Forums
448: Photo Gallery
449: Community Forums
450: Photo Gallery
451: Member Screenshots
452: Community Forums
453: Statistics
454: Photo Gallery
455: Community Forums
456: Photo Gallery
457: Home
458: Community Forums
459: Photo Gallery
460: News
461: Photo Gallery
462: Community Forums
463: Photo Gallery
464: Community Forums
465: Community Forums
466: Community Forums
467: Community Forums
468: Community Forums
469: Community Forums
470: Community Forums
471: Home
472: Home
473: Community Forums
474: Community Forums
475: Community Forums
476: Community Forums
477: Community Forums
478: Community Forums
479: Photo Gallery
480: Home
481: Photo Gallery
482: Community Forums
483: Community Forums
484: Community Forums
485: Member Screenshots
486: Photo Gallery
487: Photo Gallery
488: CPGlang
489: Home
490: Downloads
491: Community Forums
492: Home
493: Home
494: Community Forums
495: Community Forums
496: Photo Gallery
497: Community Forums
498: Photo Gallery
499: Community Forums
500: Home
501: Community Forums
502: Photo Gallery
503: Downloads
504: Community Forums
505: Community Forums
506: Community Forums
507: Home
508: Community Forums
509: Community Forums
510: Community Forums
511: Your Account
512: Community Forums
513: Photo Gallery
514: Home
515: Community Forums
516: Community Forums
517: Community Forums
518: Community Forums
519: Community Forums
520: Statistics
521: Photo Gallery
522: Community Forums
523: Community Forums
524: Downloads
525: Your Account
526: Community Forums
527: Downloads
528: Photo Gallery
529: Photo Gallery
530: Community Forums
531: Downloads
532: Photo Gallery
533: Community Forums
534: Community Forums
535: Community Forums
536: Community Forums
537: Photo Gallery
538: Community Forums
539: Photo Gallery
540: Photo Gallery
541: Community Forums
542: Home
543: Community Forums
544: Community Forums
545: Community Forums
546: Your Account
547: Community Forums
548: Community Forums
549: Community Forums
550: Community Forums
551: Member Screenshots
552: Community Forums
553: Community Forums
554: Community Forums
555: Community Forums
556: Community Forums
557: Downloads
558: Community Forums
559: Community Forums
560: Photo Gallery
561: Community Forums
562: Photo Gallery
563: Home
564: Photo Gallery
565: Community Forums
566: Home
567: Member Screenshots
568: Community Forums
569: Community Forums
570: Photo Gallery
571: Community Forums
572: Community Forums
573: Community Forums
574: Community Forums
575: Home
576: Community Forums
577: Community Forums
578: Community Forums
579: Community Forums
580: Photo Gallery
581: Community Forums
582: Community Forums
583: Community Forums
584: Community Forums
585: Home
586: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
What model of Sherman is this one?
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page Previous  1, 2
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
tanker2010
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Aug 20, 2006
Posts: 264
Location: Kansas City, Mo.
PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:51 pm
Post subject: Re: What model of Sherman is this one?

Here's some enlarged shots of the welded on gun of this Indian Sherman.

usera.imagecave.com/ta...man_11.jpg

usera.imagecave.com/ta...man_12.jpg

usera.imagecave.com/ta...man_13.jpg

Typical bad museum job.
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
tanker2010
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Aug 20, 2006
Posts: 264
Location: Kansas City, Mo.
PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:57 pm
Post subject: Re: What model of Sherman is this one?

Here are some Indian Shermans.

Indian M4A1E4

usera.imagecave.com/ta...man_02.jpg

Indian M4A3E4

usera.imagecave.com/ta...man_01.jpg

usera.imagecave.com/ta...man_04.jpg

usera.imagecave.com/ta...man_06.jpg

Indian M4A4

usera.imagecave.com/ta...man_05.jpg
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
tanker2010
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Aug 20, 2006
Posts: 264
Location: Kansas City, Mo.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:01 am
Post subject: Re: What model of Sherman is this one?

Here are some Pakistani M4A1E4s. Some have the E9 suspenssion.

usera.imagecave.com/ta...man_01.jpg

usera.imagecave.com/ta...man_03.jpg

usera.imagecave.com/ta...man_09.jpg

usera.imagecave.com/ta...man_10.jpg

usera.imagecave.com/ta...man_19.jpg

Notice all are M4A1E4s.
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Tanklord
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 817
Location: Louisiana
PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:02 am
Post subject: Re: What model of Sherman is this one?

Excellent series of photos!

_________________
The only thing to do when a son-of-a-bitch looks
cross-eyed at you is to beat the hell out of him right
then and there
Back to top
View user's profile Yahoo Messenger
panamadan
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 174

PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 4:01 pm
Post subject: Re: What model of Sherman is this one?

Any photos of the turrets on the M4A1E9's or M4A1E4's? I'm looking to do a 'E4 as a model project.
Thanks, Dan
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Michel_Krauss
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 30, 2009
Posts: 953
Location: Zuid-Holland, The Netherlands
PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 6:25 pm
Post subject: Re: What model of Sherman is this one?

Dan,

I could help you out with picture's of some of the M4A1E9's here in the Netherlands

Can not help you with the E4

Michel

_________________
I'm Not Crazy, I'm Just Not You
Back to top
View user's profile
tanker2010
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Aug 20, 2006
Posts: 264
Location: Kansas City, Mo.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 7:08 pm
Post subject: Re: What model of Sherman is this one?

Any photos of the turrets on the M4A1E9's or M4A1E4's? I'm looking to do a 'E4 as a model project.


What makes it an E4 is the 76MM gun, and what makes it an E9 is the spaced out VVS suspenssion. The turrets are just low bustel turrets no different than the original 75MM turret. Most did have a loaders hatch added. Most MAP Shermans had 3 track blocks added to each side of the turret. Other than that jsut a normal turret.
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
panamadan
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 174

PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:47 am
Post subject: Re: What model of Sherman is this one?

Right, I know that, but am looking to see if they all had a low-bustle turret with MAP aditions or maybe some had a high-bustle turret. Here's a nice build using a high-bustle turret: www.track-link.net/for...blogs/7356
Thanks, Dan
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
tanker2010
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Aug 20, 2006
Posts: 264
Location: Kansas City, Mo.
PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:03 am
Post subject: Re: What model of Sherman is this one?

Jim W's good at getting stuff wrong sometimes. He used the high bustle turret because it had the loaders hatch, not because it was right. It says in the blog he was building it out of spare parts. You can comb through all the pictures you can find. I suspect you want to do a high bustle turret, because that's what you've got on hand?
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:45 pm
Post subject: Re: What model of Sherman is this one?

As I understand it the High bustle turret was adopted to give more clearance to the larger hatches of the later production 47 degree hull.

Now it is always possible that some were retrofitted to smaller hatch hulls during rebuilding (Never say Never with Shermans Rolling Eyes ) I suspect the hull would be an indicator for what kind of turret was installed

_________________
Bob Smart (bsmart@xecu.net)
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
panamadan
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 174

PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:39 pm
Post subject: Re: What model of Sherman is this one?

I do have the high-bustle at hand as well as low. However, I would need to add the loaders hatch to the low bustle, which really isn't too hard. I'd just like to find as many pics as I can before I start the project.
I imagine that both types of turrets were used on these tanks.
Love to see the work orders that show all the modifications that are added to the MAP Shermans.
Dan
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:23 pm
Post subject: Re: What model of Sherman is this one?

The only reason I think low bustle turrets wouldn't be used on large hatch hulls would be safety. When the turret is traversed to the rear you couldn't open the driver or BOG hatch. Putting a high bustle on a small hatch wouldn't matter since it would increase clearance. Now wheter anyone at the depot actually thought about the issue is open for debate Rolling Eyes

And wasn't the loaders hatch a mod that was made after production? So it might have been done to any or all of the MAP tanks. In fact if the 76mm took more space in the smaller original turret it might have been part of the mod to add a loaders hatch. But I'll admit I'm just guessing

_________________
Bob Smart (bsmart@xecu.net)
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
panamadan
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 174

PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:14 pm
Post subject: Re: What model of Sherman is this one?

Bob,
Yes, I understand that the loaders hatch was added post-war and have seen photos of the new hatch after it was added. I inagine it was added due to the 76mm and it makes plain sense to have two hatches up top. It look like the Tasca kit is going to get a new turret hatch! Laughing
Dan
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Kurt_Laughlin
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 577

PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:31 am
Post subject: Re: What model of Sherman is this one?

I would say most M4A3E4s had high bustle turrets simply because most M4A3(75)Ws had high bustle turrets. The ones that I've seen that didn't had applique armor on the right side. (These are believed to be recycled turrets from M32 conversions.) The south asian tanks shown above have the shadows characteristic of the modified turret contour. While they could be low bustle turrets, I suspect they are not.

The M4A1E6s are bit harder to fathom. I imagine that they used altered low bustle turrets.

I should note that the Ordnance Committee item on these conversions said nothing about adding - or a preference for - a loader's hatch under the turret modification list.

KL
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
tanker2010
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Aug 20, 2006
Posts: 264
Location: Kansas City, Mo.
PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:40 am
Post subject: Re: What model of Sherman is this one?

Yes, the A3s would have high bustle turrets, but not the A1s. Going from photos, most of the A1's had a loaders hatch added.
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 2 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page Previous  1, 2



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum