±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 637
Total: 637
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Community Forums
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: Home
06: Home
07: Home
08: Photo Gallery
09: Home
10: Home
11: Home
12: Downloads
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: Photo Gallery
19: Community Forums
20: Photo Gallery
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Downloads
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Home
29: Downloads
30: Community Forums
31: Downloads
32: Community Forums
33: Home
34: News Archive
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Home
38: Photo Gallery
39: Photo Gallery
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Community Forums
46: Photo Gallery
47: Downloads
48: Community Forums
49: Community Forums
50: Community Forums
51: Downloads
52: Downloads
53: Community Forums
54: Member Screenshots
55: Photo Gallery
56: Photo Gallery
57: Community Forums
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Photo Gallery
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Home
65: Home
66: Community Forums
67: News Archive
68: Photo Gallery
69: Community Forums
70: Photo Gallery
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: News Archive
79: Home
80: Community Forums
81: Downloads
82: Community Forums
83: Member Screenshots
84: Photo Gallery
85: Home
86: Photo Gallery
87: Community Forums
88: Community Forums
89: Community Forums
90: Home
91: CPGlang
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: Photo Gallery
95: Home
96: Community Forums
97: Photo Gallery
98: Community Forums
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Community Forums
102: Community Forums
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Community Forums
109: Community Forums
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: Photo Gallery
115: Home
116: Photo Gallery
117: Home
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: Community Forums
121: Community Forums
122: Community Forums
123: Downloads
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Community Forums
129: Home
130: Downloads
131: Downloads
132: Community Forums
133: Home
134: Community Forums
135: Your Account
136: Home
137: Community Forums
138: Photo Gallery
139: Downloads
140: Photo Gallery
141: Community Forums
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Community Forums
145: Your Account
146: Home
147: Community Forums
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: Member Screenshots
151: Photo Gallery
152: Home
153: Community Forums
154: Community Forums
155: Downloads
156: Photo Gallery
157: Photo Gallery
158: Community Forums
159: Photo Gallery
160: Home
161: Community Forums
162: Community Forums
163: Community Forums
164: CPGlang
165: Community Forums
166: Statistics
167: Community Forums
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Home
172: Home
173: Community Forums
174: Member Screenshots
175: Community Forums
176: Photo Gallery
177: Community Forums
178: Search
179: Community Forums
180: Community Forums
181: Community Forums
182: Your Account
183: Community Forums
184: Community Forums
185: Community Forums
186: Home
187: Community Forums
188: Photo Gallery
189: Community Forums
190: Community Forums
191: News
192: Home
193: Photo Gallery
194: News Archive
195: Photo Gallery
196: Home
197: Home
198: Community Forums
199: Community Forums
200: Photo Gallery
201: Community Forums
202: Community Forums
203: Home
204: Photo Gallery
205: Community Forums
206: Community Forums
207: Community Forums
208: Community Forums
209: Community Forums
210: Community Forums
211: Community Forums
212: CPGlang
213: Photo Gallery
214: Photo Gallery
215: Community Forums
216: Community Forums
217: Community Forums
218: Community Forums
219: Community Forums
220: Community Forums
221: Photo Gallery
222: Home
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: Photo Gallery
226: Community Forums
227: Community Forums
228: Community Forums
229: Community Forums
230: Community Forums
231: Photo Gallery
232: Member Screenshots
233: Community Forums
234: Community Forums
235: Community Forums
236: Statistics
237: Home
238: Photo Gallery
239: Downloads
240: Community Forums
241: Home
242: Home
243: Community Forums
244: Home
245: Community Forums
246: CPGlang
247: Downloads
248: Home
249: Community Forums
250: Community Forums
251: Photo Gallery
252: Community Forums
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Home
256: Photo Gallery
257: Community Forums
258: Community Forums
259: Community Forums
260: Community Forums
261: Your Account
262: Community Forums
263: Downloads
264: News Archive
265: Photo Gallery
266: Home
267: Photo Gallery
268: Community Forums
269: Community Forums
270: Community Forums
271: Home
272: Community Forums
273: Community Forums
274: Photo Gallery
275: Community Forums
276: Community Forums
277: Photo Gallery
278: Community Forums
279: Photo Gallery
280: Your Account
281: Photo Gallery
282: Home
283: Downloads
284: Community Forums
285: Photo Gallery
286: Community Forums
287: Home
288: Community Forums
289: Community Forums
290: Community Forums
291: Photo Gallery
292: Community Forums
293: Community Forums
294: Home
295: Photo Gallery
296: Photo Gallery
297: Photo Gallery
298: Photo Gallery
299: Photo Gallery
300: Treasury
301: Community Forums
302: Community Forums
303: Photo Gallery
304: News
305: Photo Gallery
306: Community Forums
307: Community Forums
308: Community Forums
309: Photo Gallery
310: Home
311: Community Forums
312: Downloads
313: Community Forums
314: Community Forums
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: Downloads
318: Home
319: Community Forums
320: Community Forums
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums
323: Community Forums
324: Community Forums
325: Community Forums
326: Photo Gallery
327: Community Forums
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: Community Forums
331: Photo Gallery
332: Home
333: Home
334: Community Forums
335: Community Forums
336: Community Forums
337: Community Forums
338: News Archive
339: Community Forums
340: Community Forums
341: Community Forums
342: Photo Gallery
343: Community Forums
344: Community Forums
345: Home
346: Community Forums
347: Community Forums
348: Community Forums
349: Downloads
350: Community Forums
351: Community Forums
352: Community Forums
353: Member Screenshots
354: Home
355: Community Forums
356: Community Forums
357: Community Forums
358: Community Forums
359: Home
360: Treasury
361: Community Forums
362: Community Forums
363: Your Account
364: Community Forums
365: Community Forums
366: Community Forums
367: Statistics
368: Community Forums
369: Community Forums
370: Community Forums
371: Photo Gallery
372: Community Forums
373: Photo Gallery
374: CPGlang
375: Photo Gallery
376: Community Forums
377: Photo Gallery
378: Photo Gallery
379: Community Forums
380: Community Forums
381: Community Forums
382: Photo Gallery
383: Photo Gallery
384: Community Forums
385: Community Forums
386: Photo Gallery
387: Community Forums
388: Home
389: Community Forums
390: Community Forums
391: Photo Gallery
392: Photo Gallery
393: Community Forums
394: Photo Gallery
395: Community Forums
396: Photo Gallery
397: Community Forums
398: Photo Gallery
399: Community Forums
400: Community Forums
401: Community Forums
402: Photo Gallery
403: Photo Gallery
404: Photo Gallery
405: Community Forums
406: Community Forums
407: Community Forums
408: Community Forums
409: Community Forums
410: Community Forums
411: Community Forums
412: Community Forums
413: Community Forums
414: Community Forums
415: Community Forums
416: Community Forums
417: Community Forums
418: Community Forums
419: Photo Gallery
420: Community Forums
421: Community Forums
422: Your Account
423: Community Forums
424: Downloads
425: Community Forums
426: Community Forums
427: Community Forums
428: Community Forums
429: Community Forums
430: Community Forums
431: Home
432: Downloads
433: Photo Gallery
434: Photo Gallery
435: Photo Gallery
436: Photo Gallery
437: Photo Gallery
438: Community Forums
439: Community Forums
440: Home
441: CPGlang
442: Community Forums
443: Photo Gallery
444: Community Forums
445: Community Forums
446: Photo Gallery
447: Community Forums
448: Community Forums
449: Community Forums
450: Community Forums
451: Community Forums
452: Member Screenshots
453: Photo Gallery
454: Photo Gallery
455: CPGlang
456: Home
457: Community Forums
458: Home
459: Photo Gallery
460: Community Forums
461: Your Account
462: Community Forums
463: Downloads
464: Community Forums
465: Community Forums
466: Community Forums
467: Community Forums
468: Community Forums
469: Community Forums
470: Community Forums
471: Photo Gallery
472: Photo Gallery
473: Photo Gallery
474: Photo Gallery
475: Community Forums
476: Community Forums
477: Community Forums
478: Community Forums
479: Community Forums
480: Community Forums
481: Community Forums
482: Downloads
483: Your Account
484: Community Forums
485: Member Screenshots
486: Community Forums
487: Community Forums
488: Community Forums
489: Community Forums
490: Community Forums
491: Community Forums
492: Community Forums
493: Community Forums
494: Community Forums
495: Community Forums
496: Community Forums
497: Community Forums
498: Community Forums
499: Community Forums
500: Community Forums
501: Community Forums
502: Community Forums
503: Community Forums
504: Photo Gallery
505: Home
506: Community Forums
507: Community Forums
508: Community Forums
509: Community Forums
510: Community Forums
511: Community Forums
512: Community Forums
513: Home
514: Community Forums
515: Your Account
516: Community Forums
517: Home
518: Community Forums
519: Statistics
520: Photo Gallery
521: Community Forums
522: Community Forums
523: Community Forums
524: Community Forums
525: Community Forums
526: Community Forums
527: Downloads
528: Community Forums
529: Home
530: Home
531: Home
532: Community Forums
533: Home
534: Community Forums
535: Community Forums
536: Photo Gallery
537: Community Forums
538: Community Forums
539: Home
540: Community Forums
541: Community Forums
542: Community Forums
543: Photo Gallery
544: Photo Gallery
545: Photo Gallery
546: Community Forums
547: Community Forums
548: Photo Gallery
549: News Archive
550: Community Forums
551: Community Forums
552: Community Forums
553: Community Forums
554: Community Forums
555: Community Forums
556: Community Forums
557: Home
558: Home
559: Community Forums
560: Downloads
561: Community Forums
562: Home
563: Photo Gallery
564: Photo Gallery
565: Photo Gallery
566: Photo Gallery
567: CPGlang
568: Home
569: Community Forums
570: Photo Gallery
571: Community Forums
572: Community Forums
573: Photo Gallery
574: Home
575: Member Screenshots
576: Community Forums
577: Community Forums
578: Community Forums
579: Community Forums
580: Community Forums
581: Home
582: Community Forums
583: Community Forums
584: Home
585: Photo Gallery
586: Photo Gallery
587: Photo Gallery
588: Community Forums
589: Community Forums
590: Your Account
591: Community Forums
592: Community Forums
593: Home
594: Photo Gallery
595: Photo Gallery
596: Community Forums
597: Community Forums
598: Photo Gallery
599: Community Forums
600: Community Forums
601: Photo Gallery
602: Community Forums
603: Community Forums
604: Community Forums
605: Community Forums
606: Home
607: Community Forums
608: News Archive
609: Community Forums
610: Community Forums
611: Community Forums
612: Community Forums
613: Home
614: CPGlang
615: Community Forums
616: Community Forums
617: Community Forums
618: Community Forums
619: Community Forums
620: Community Forums
621: Downloads
622: Home
623: Your Account
624: Community Forums
625: Community Forums
626: Home
627: Community Forums
628: Home
629: Home
630: Community Forums
631: Home
632: Community Forums
633: Community Forums
634: Photo Gallery
635: Community Forums
636: Community Forums
637: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Wings and Wheels 2010 Ursel Belgium
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Michel_Krauss
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 30, 2009
Posts: 953
Location: Zuid-Holland, The Netherlands
PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:34 pm
Post subject: Wings and Wheels 2010 Ursel Belgium

Hi folks

visited the Wings and wheels show at Ursel Belgium last weekend

And because they had some AFV's there, some picture's Cool

Sherman Firefly


Piranha IIIC 8x8 AIV


M5A1 light tank Stuart



other vehicle's around


Michel

_________________
I'm Not Crazy, I'm Just Not You
Back to top
View user's profile
Michel_Krauss
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 30, 2009
Posts: 953
Location: Zuid-Holland, The Netherlands
PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 10:06 pm
Post subject: Re: Wings and Wheels 2010 Ursel Belgium

Some more

AEC Mk II MATADOR


M24 Chaffee


Michel

_________________
I'm Not Crazy, I'm Just Not You
Back to top
View user's profile
Michel_Krauss
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 30, 2009
Posts: 953
Location: Zuid-Holland, The Netherlands
PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 11:00 am
Post subject: Re: Wings and Wheels 2010 Ursel Belgium

Last to show, other wise I get in trouble with the moderators

First of all an LVT
I think it is an LVT 4, however I'm not sure
So if some one could give me the right answer

This one is also from the new For Freedom Museum at Knokke, Belgium



Finaly the second Sherman Firefly at the show an sort of 1+1 = 1 Mr. Green
This Firefly is made up of two different vehicle's, you can see weld seam running accros the side of the vehicle

The other side looks the same
The weld seam run across the additional welded on armour plate, through the turret ring all around


For more vehicle's there:
s1015.photobucket.com/...=slideshow

michel

_________________
I'm Not Crazy, I'm Just Not You
Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 10:00 pm
Post subject: Re: Wings and Wheels 2010 Ursel Belgium

Michael - I'm not sure the last firefly was made from two vehicles. It appears to be an M4 Composite which has a cast front plate on a welded hull. They came that way from teh factory

_________________
Bob Smart (bsmart@xecu.net)
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Michel_Krauss
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 30, 2009
Posts: 953
Location: Zuid-Holland, The Netherlands
PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 10:52 pm
Post subject: Re: Wings and Wheels 2010 Ursel Belgium

Well I'm not an Sherman expert
I realy cannot tell you if the ever made an welded hull with an cast front section Neutral

However it is very unlikely that they would make an additional armour plate out of 2 parts, weld it to each section of the tank hull and then weld the two hull sections to 1 hull

Like they did with this tank


Would be easier to weld the 2 hull sections together and after that weld the addtional armour plate to the side

Or is that to much logic .... Confused

Michel

_________________
I'm Not Crazy, I'm Just Not You
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 11:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Wings and Wheels 2010 Ursel Belgium

Michel,

I agree with Bob, it is a Sherman Composite, also called Hybrid by the British troops. It was built at the Detroit factory with a front cast hull and rear welded hull. The fact that the side appliqué armor is made of 2 parts is common to all of the M4 Composite, I cannot tell why.

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Michel_Krauss
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 30, 2009
Posts: 953
Location: Zuid-Holland, The Netherlands
PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 11:17 pm
Post subject: Re: Wings and Wheels 2010 Ursel Belgium

okay, making the additional armour plate out of 1 part is to much logic Mr. Green

At least now I know what the mean with an hybride hull Laughing

However this leaves me with 2 questions:
- first the small top armour plate has his own stamped in markings: MB4-224, is that an common thing to do
- how many hybride hulls are there still around ??

Michel

_________________
I'm Not Crazy, I'm Just Not You
Back to top
View user's profile
C_Sherman
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 590

PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 11:41 pm
Post subject: Re: Wings and Wheels 2010 Ursel Belgium

- Michel_Krauss
okay, making the additional armour plate out of 1 part is to much logic Mr. Green

At least now I know what the mean with an hybride hull Laughing

However this leaves me with 2 questions:
- first the small top armour plate has his own stamped in markings: MB4-224, is that an common thing to do
- how many hybride hulls are there still around ??

Michel


I was ready shout "Composite", but it was already done before I could. So, it is a "composite" hull Sherman.

The reason the armor plates have different serial is that they were not field fabrications. They were fabricated in a factory, and possibly even applied during manufacturing of the new tank. Even if they were applied in the field, modifications like this were often supplied in a kit that included everything from the armor plates themselves to the welding rod and instructions for installing them. (They still do it that way...the Add-On Armor for our HMMWVs in Iraq in 2004 came like this.)

Industry being what it is, each little bit has it's own part number and other markings. So the individual parts of the add-on armor each have their own part number, drawing, and possibly even production area! Shocked Typically, the part number or drawing number would be (is) stamped or cast into the part, so it could (can) be distinguished from other similar parts...or in the case of that small snip of armor plate, distinguished from scrap metal.

On the other hand, it could be a conspiracy by deep-thinking industry magnates, to confuse future tank spotters and enthusiasts... Twisted Evil Wink

Chuck

_________________
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it
will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.
-Herm Albright

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc!
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 5:26 am
Post subject: Re: Wings and Wheels 2010 Ursel Belgium

- Michel_Krauss


Would be easier to weld the 2 hull sections together and after that weld the addtional armour plate to the side

Or is that to much logic .... Confused

Michel


Michel,

I realize that we didn't answer one of your question.
Yes, it is logical that the additional armor has a welding which is similar to the welding on the hull.
As you can see, the hull is not flat at the place where the appliqué armor was welded, because of the rounded aspect of the cast front hull. If you weld a 1-piece armor plate, it will not fit to the cast part of the hull.

Kurt Laughlin wrote an interesting article about the applique armor, that you can rear here :
http://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scribd.com%2Fdoc%2F30827701%2FApplique-Armor-on-M4-Series-Medium-Tanks&ei=c3lnTIfZHcre4AaP8pmZBA&usg=AFQjCNE78lRDL3hAsvSy4e_3WU3Zj7xVGQ&sig2=6hwvCKhpKXulzlMLsFoyfA

To quote Kurt Laughlin :
"Obviously, mating flat plates on the irregularly curved cast hull required additional measures. While still located 1-inch above the sponson edge, the FSMWO directed that the plates were “cut to suit”. Photographs show several variations in the cut configuration. The left and right rear plates were normally split near the top while the right front plate was cut into two to five pieces to match the compound curves in this area. At some point formed plates that better conformed to the cast hull were issued but the introduction date is unknown."

You will also find other appliqué armor made-up of several bits on M4A1s, like here :





P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Michel_Krauss
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 30, 2009
Posts: 953
Location: Zuid-Holland, The Netherlands
PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 8:57 am
Post subject: Re: Wings and Wheels 2010 Ursel Belgium

Hi folks,

thanks for the answers

However still 1 question remaining: are there any other Sherman hybride hulls still around


P-O

would be something for your website
Sherman hulls variations and what strange things (additional armour) can be found on them Mr. Green

Michel

_________________
I'm Not Crazy, I'm Just Not You
Back to top
View user's profile
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 9:17 am
Post subject: Re: Wings and Wheels 2010 Ursel Belgium

- Michel_Krauss
However still 1 question remaining: are there any other Sherman hybride hulls still around


yes, of course. Have a look there :
http://the.shadock.free.fr/Surviving_Sherman_Fireflies.pdf

- Michel_Krauss

P-O

would be something for your website
Sherman hulls variations and what strange things (additional armour) can be found on them Mr. Green

Michel


it is planned to be added soon. I was waiting to have better shots of some of the armored plates before creating the page.

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Michel_Krauss
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 30, 2009
Posts: 953
Location: Zuid-Holland, The Netherlands
PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 10:29 am
Post subject: Re: Wings and Wheels 2010 Ursel Belgium

P-O

you can use the picture's if needed
I have some more of diffferent angle's also

I also added some more picture's of Ursel to my photobucket album
s1015.photobucket.com/...=slideshow

Going through the picture's it appears that there where more Dutch vehicle's then Belgium one's Twisted Evil

Michel

_________________
I'm Not Crazy, I'm Just Not You
Back to top
View user's profile
Tichenor
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Dec 06, 2007
Posts: 461
Location: Antwerp
PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 12:24 pm
Post subject: Re: Wings and Wheels 2010 Ursel Belgium

Michel

That M4 composite is from a private collector near Antwerp, it is an original hull that was recovered from a range some 20 years ago. The turret was aquired a few years later. He has been regular seen at different shows here in Belgium and even in France.

Second question; I have about 26 composite Shermans at the register, most of them can been found in Belgium, Argentina, USA, South Africa and a few in Italy and Australia.
In Belgium there is one as monument in Willebroek (between Antwerp and Brussels) and two at the range in Brasschaat.

Tichenor
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Tichenor
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Dec 06, 2007
Posts: 461
Location: Antwerp
PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Wings and Wheels 2010 Ursel Belgium

Michel

You have labeled the M4 Composite wrong at your photobucket album, it should read Sherman Ic Hybrid. The British used Sherman I for the M4, II for the M4A1, III for the M4A2, IV for the M4A3 and V for the M4A4. the letter c was added for the 17pdr and b was used for the 105 (I believe).

Tichenor
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
the_shadock
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 27, 2006
Posts: 2865
Location: Normandy, France
PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:33 pm
Post subject: Re: Wings and Wheels 2010 Ursel Belgium



this is not an AEC Matador as labelled, but an AEC Armoured Car :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AEC_Armoured_Car

(of which I should create a PDF file listing the survivors soon).

the AEC matador is an artillery tractor :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AEC_Matador

P-O

_________________
soldat_ryan @ hotmail.com

Looking for photos of Sherman manufacturer's plates
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum