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Sorry its taken me a long time to get around to this... Had a family emergency a few weeks back, plus been really distracted by work & other things... Slowly getting back to normal, although my final semester of grad school starts up next week...

Anyway, here's some of the pictures I took inside the Saumur Musée des Blindés.

I'll actually go room by room.... You start off in the Salle "Première Guerre Mondiale" right at the entrance, with the Schneider & St Chamond that used to be at Aberdeen...







There's also an FT-17TSF (command tank) chassis tucked away in the corner on a flatbed truck...



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Next is the Next is the Salle Campagne de France 1940.

FCM 36 (only surviving example - was outside awaiting restoration when I last visited in 2004)





Char B1 bis (turret is actually from a S-35 and this isnt its original name)







Renault R-35





Renault R-39





AMR-33



Renault ACG-1 (only surviving example - was a range target)





The SOMUA S-35 was at the carousel instead - I'll post it later in that thread.

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Now what many consider the main attraction - the Salle Allemande (Seconde Guerre Mondiale)...

First the panzers...

The PzKpfw I was at the carousel, so I'll post it later...

PzKpfw II Luchs



PzKpfw III



PzKpfw IV







PzKpfw V Panther (didnt seem to take enough pics)





PzKpfw VI Tiger I





Story behind it...





PzKpfw VI Tiger II





Requisite "group" shot... The meeting of AFV News discussion board USA (myself) & France (the_shadock) members...



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To close out the German room - unfortunately some of these came out a bit washed out due to the lighting conditions... Lesson learned, when in doubt use the tripod...

GW Lorraine(f) Marder I





PzJg 38(t) Marder III Ausf M





PzJg 38(t) Marder III Pak 36(r)





JgPz IV/48



JgPz IV/70





Jagdpanther





Swiss G13 Hetzer





GW 39H(f) FH18(Sf)



GW PzKpfw II Wespe





Wespe





Hummel



Mobelwagen



Bergepanther



StuG III



StuH 42



Brumbar



SdKfz 250-9 SPW



SdKfz 251-7 SPW



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I'll let ya'll "digest" those for now before moving on to the Salle Les Allies & more modern vehicles... Please let me know if someone wants more pictures of a particular subject, I may just have them...

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Hi Neil! Hi Folks!

Thank you very much for taking the time and trouble to post these!

Looking forward to the modern allied vehicles.
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WOW !

Thanks,
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- Neil_Baumgardner

Requisite "group" shot... The meeting of AFV News discussion board USA (myself) & France (the_shadock) members...



Neil


That's THE picture I was waiting for..

Thanks Neil

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Renault ACG-1 (only surviving example - was a range target)


The roadwheels and a great part of the track links on the right side are missing on that tank, but you can't see it from this view. Also, there was a big hole in the righ side of the hull and that was replaced by steel sheets, only for that tank to be restored more or less cosmetically.

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Joe, dont worry, I have some specific info for you coming your way.

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Okay, befored getting to the Allied WWII vehicles, you first go through the very small Salle Italienne, the Salle Curiosités and then the Salle Pacte de Varsovie...

So first off the two Italian AFVs...

M15/42 tank



Semovente da 75-18 su M41



ELC bis from the room of curiosities... (also has an M3 made to look like an SPW and an M24 Chaffee made to look like a Panther if anyone really wants to see those)



And the Warsaw Pact vehicles (also had a BMP-1, BRDM-2, BTR-70, BTR-152, MT-LB, OT-64, PT-76, RM-70T and an SPR-1 if anyone really wants to see those)

T-54



T-62



Type 69 (sign said T-54/55)



T-72 trainer (the runner was at the carousel)



Yugoslav BOV-3 recovered from Bosnia



Next the allied WWII vehicles...

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Now the Salle Les Alliés (Seconde Guerre Mondiale)...

Sort of trying to go chronologically...

Vickers Mk VIB - with the original data plate on the hull!





Matilda II





Valentine



Churchill with some battle(?) damage





Centaur



Crusader AA



Comet



M4(75) Sherman - what model?





M5A1 Stuart



Sexton



Staghound - even found what appears to be the Ordnance catalogue number (G135) and possibly an SN on the lower front hull



(Don can you check the LST building Staghound to see if it has a similar stamp?)



KV-1 & SU-100 diorama





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Now Salle France - modern era French AFVs...

Two of my personal favorites, the ARL-44 and AMX-50B...















I even found a few models of AMX-50 variants in the museum





M8 HMC



AMX-40



Leclerc with a fake turret



The France room also has an AML-90, AMX-10P, AMX-10RC, AMX-13T SS-1, AMX-30B2 and AMX-30 demining vehicle, AMX-30 Pluton, EBR, ERC-90, and VAB if anyone really wants to see those...

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- Neil_Baumgardner

M4(75) Sherman - what model?







Seems to be an M4(75) because of the cut on the low area of the rear vertical plate.

- Neil_Baumgardner


KV-1 & SU-100 diorama






SU-100M from the Egyptian army captured by the French troops in Port-Saïd (Egypt) in November 1956. Three other ones were captured by the British troops and are now in Aberdeen, Bovington and Duxford museums.

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P-O,
I just sent you some pictures of possible SNs off APG's S-35.

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