±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 633
Total: 633
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Downloads
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: Photo Gallery
06: Community Forums
07: Downloads
08: Community Forums
09: Home
10: Community Forums
11: Home
12: Home
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Photo Gallery
16: Your Account
17: Home
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Downloads
27: Home
28: Downloads
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Photo Gallery
32: Community Forums
33: Home
34: Community Forums
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: Member Screenshots
41: Community Forums
42: Photo Gallery
43: Community Forums
44: Member Screenshots
45: Community Forums
46: Photo Gallery
47: News
48: Community Forums
49: Home
50: News
51: Community Forums
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Home
56: Community Forums
57: Photo Gallery
58: Home
59: Community Forums
60: Home
61: Community Forums
62: Photo Gallery
63: Community Forums
64: Home
65: Home
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: Community Forums
69: Community Forums
70: Community Forums
71: Community Forums
72: Home
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: Your Account
79: Home
80: Home
81: Community Forums
82: Photo Gallery
83: Community Forums
84: Community Forums
85: Photo Gallery
86: Community Forums
87: Community Forums
88: News
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Downloads
92: Photo Gallery
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: Community Forums
96: CPGlang
97: Community Forums
98: Community Forums
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Community Forums
102: Community Forums
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Photo Gallery
109: Community Forums
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: Home
115: Home
116: Home
117: Community Forums
118: Home
119: Photo Gallery
120: Photo Gallery
121: Community Forums
122: Home
123: Home
124: Photo Gallery
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Downloads
129: Community Forums
130: Community Forums
131: Member Screenshots
132: Community Forums
133: Community Forums
134: Downloads
135: Community Forums
136: Photo Gallery
137: Photo Gallery
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: Photo Gallery
141: Community Forums
142: Photo Gallery
143: Your Account
144: News
145: Community Forums
146: Community Forums
147: Member Screenshots
148: Home
149: CPGlang
150: Community Forums
151: Photo Gallery
152: Community Forums
153: Community Forums
154: Downloads
155: Community Forums
156: Community Forums
157: Home
158: Photo Gallery
159: Community Forums
160: Downloads
161: Photo Gallery
162: CPGlang
163: Community Forums
164: Community Forums
165: Photo Gallery
166: Community Forums
167: Community Forums
168: Photo Gallery
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Photo Gallery
172: Downloads
173: Photo Gallery
174: Community Forums
175: Home
176: Home
177: Community Forums
178: Community Forums
179: Photo Gallery
180: Home
181: News
182: Community Forums
183: Community Forums
184: Home
185: Community Forums
186: Photo Gallery
187: Member Screenshots
188: Community Forums
189: Downloads
190: Photo Gallery
191: Community Forums
192: Photo Gallery
193: Member Screenshots
194: Community Forums
195: Downloads
196: Community Forums
197: Community Forums
198: Community Forums
199: Community Forums
200: Home
201: Community Forums
202: Photo Gallery
203: Community Forums
204: Your Account
205: Community Forums
206: Home
207: Community Forums
208: Home
209: Community Forums
210: Home
211: Community Forums
212: Your Account
213: Community Forums
214: Photo Gallery
215: Community Forums
216: Community Forums
217: Photo Gallery
218: Community Forums
219: Community Forums
220: Community Forums
221: Community Forums
222: Photo Gallery
223: Home
224: CPGlang
225: Your Account
226: Downloads
227: Community Forums
228: Community Forums
229: Member Screenshots
230: Community Forums
231: Downloads
232: Community Forums
233: Community Forums
234: Photo Gallery
235: Community Forums
236: Community Forums
237: Community Forums
238: LinkToUs
239: Community Forums
240: Photo Gallery
241: Community Forums
242: Photo Gallery
243: CPGlang
244: Community Forums
245: Community Forums
246: Community Forums
247: Member Screenshots
248: Community Forums
249: Community Forums
250: Home
251: Community Forums
252: Community Forums
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Home
256: Community Forums
257: Community Forums
258: Photo Gallery
259: Community Forums
260: Downloads
261: Community Forums
262: Community Forums
263: Member Screenshots
264: Photo Gallery
265: Community Forums
266: Community Forums
267: Downloads
268: Community Forums
269: Photo Gallery
270: Photo Gallery
271: Community Forums
272: Community Forums
273: Community Forums
274: Community Forums
275: Home
276: Community Forums
277: Home
278: Downloads
279: Home
280: Community Forums
281: Home
282: Community Forums
283: Statistics
284: Community Forums
285: Photo Gallery
286: Downloads
287: Community Forums
288: Community Forums
289: Home
290: Community Forums
291: Home
292: Community Forums
293: Photo Gallery
294: Home
295: Community Forums
296: Home
297: Photo Gallery
298: Photo Gallery
299: Downloads
300: Downloads
301: Community Forums
302: Community Forums
303: Photo Gallery
304: Community Forums
305: Community Forums
306: Community Forums
307: Community Forums
308: Home
309: Community Forums
310: CPGlang
311: CPGlang
312: Community Forums
313: Home
314: Community Forums
315: Your Account
316: Photo Gallery
317: Home
318: Community Forums
319: Community Forums
320: Community Forums
321: Community Forums
322: News Archive
323: Member Screenshots
324: Community Forums
325: Community Forums
326: Photo Gallery
327: Home
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: Member Screenshots
331: Community Forums
332: Community Forums
333: Your Account
334: Community Forums
335: Community Forums
336: Community Forums
337: Photo Gallery
338: Home
339: Photo Gallery
340: Member Screenshots
341: Community Forums
342: Community Forums
343: Community Forums
344: Photo Gallery
345: News Archive
346: Community Forums
347: Community Forums
348: Community Forums
349: Community Forums
350: Community Forums
351: Home
352: Community Forums
353: Photo Gallery
354: Community Forums
355: Community Forums
356: Community Forums
357: Community Forums
358: Home
359: Community Forums
360: Community Forums
361: Community Forums
362: Community Forums
363: Photo Gallery
364: Home
365: Home
366: Community Forums
367: Community Forums
368: Member Screenshots
369: Community Forums
370: Downloads
371: Community Forums
372: Member Screenshots
373: Community Forums
374: Photo Gallery
375: Community Forums
376: Downloads
377: Community Forums
378: Home
379: Community Forums
380: Community Forums
381: Downloads
382: Community Forums
383: Home
384: Photo Gallery
385: Community Forums
386: Photo Gallery
387: Community Forums
388: Photo Gallery
389: Community Forums
390: Downloads
391: Photo Gallery
392: CPGlang
393: Community Forums
394: Home
395: Photo Gallery
396: Community Forums
397: Home
398: Photo Gallery
399: Community Forums
400: Photo Gallery
401: Community Forums
402: Community Forums
403: Community Forums
404: Member Screenshots
405: Member Screenshots
406: Community Forums
407: Community Forums
408: Downloads
409: Community Forums
410: Community Forums
411: Home
412: Photo Gallery
413: Community Forums
414: Community Forums
415: Community Forums
416: Downloads
417: Community Forums
418: Community Forums
419: Community Forums
420: Community Forums
421: Community Forums
422: Member Screenshots
423: Community Forums
424: Home
425: Home
426: Community Forums
427: Community Forums
428: Community Forums
429: Home
430: Community Forums
431: Community Forums
432: Community Forums
433: Community Forums
434: Community Forums
435: Home
436: Community Forums
437: Community Forums
438: Community Forums
439: Community Forums
440: Community Forums
441: Photo Gallery
442: Home
443: Home
444: Community Forums
445: Community Forums
446: Community Forums
447: Community Forums
448: Home
449: Community Forums
450: Downloads
451: Community Forums
452: Photo Gallery
453: Community Forums
454: Community Forums
455: Community Forums
456: Community Forums
457: Community Forums
458: Community Forums
459: Community Forums
460: Photo Gallery
461: Community Forums
462: Community Forums
463: Home
464: Community Forums
465: Community Forums
466: Photo Gallery
467: Photo Gallery
468: Community Forums
469: Member Screenshots
470: Community Forums
471: Community Forums
472: Home
473: Community Forums
474: Community Forums
475: Photo Gallery
476: Photo Gallery
477: Home
478: Photo Gallery
479: Community Forums
480: Your Account
481: Home
482: Community Forums
483: Community Forums
484: Community Forums
485: Downloads
486: Photo Gallery
487: Community Forums
488: Community Forums
489: Community Forums
490: Community Forums
491: Community Forums
492: Community Forums
493: Community Forums
494: Community Forums
495: News Archive
496: Community Forums
497: Downloads
498: Community Forums
499: Community Forums
500: Member Screenshots
501: Community Forums
502: Community Forums
503: Community Forums
504: Community Forums
505: Community Forums
506: Member Screenshots
507: Community Forums
508: Downloads
509: Home
510: Downloads
511: Photo Gallery
512: Member Screenshots
513: Community Forums
514: Community Forums
515: Home
516: Home
517: Home
518: Community Forums
519: Community Forums
520: Photo Gallery
521: Community Forums
522: Photo Gallery
523: Community Forums
524: Community Forums
525: Community Forums
526: Community Forums
527: Downloads
528: Community Forums
529: Your Account
530: Community Forums
531: Community Forums
532: Community Forums
533: Community Forums
534: Statistics
535: Home
536: Community Forums
537: Community Forums
538: Photo Gallery
539: Your Account
540: Home
541: Community Forums
542: Community Forums
543: Community Forums
544: Community Forums
545: Community Forums
546: Community Forums
547: Community Forums
548: Home
549: Community Forums
550: Community Forums
551: Community Forums
552: Community Forums
553: Community Forums
554: Photo Gallery
555: Home
556: Community Forums
557: Community Forums
558: Photo Gallery
559: Photo Gallery
560: Photo Gallery
561: Community Forums
562: Photo Gallery
563: Photo Gallery
564: Community Forums
565: Photo Gallery
566: Community Forums
567: Community Forums
568: Community Forums
569: Community Forums
570: News Archive
571: Downloads
572: Community Forums
573: Community Forums
574: Community Forums
575: Community Forums
576: Downloads
577: Community Forums
578: Community Forums
579: Community Forums
580: Home
581: Community Forums
582: Community Forums
583: Your Account
584: Community Forums
585: Community Forums
586: Your Account
587: Photo Gallery
588: Community Forums
589: Community Forums
590: Photo Gallery
591: Photo Gallery
592: Community Forums
593: Photo Gallery
594: Photo Gallery
595: Community Forums
596: Photo Gallery
597: Photo Gallery
598: Community Forums
599: Community Forums
600: Member Screenshots
601: News
602: Home
603: Community Forums
604: Community Forums
605: Community Forums
606: News Archive
607: Home
608: Community Forums
609: Community Forums
610: Community Forums
611: Community Forums
612: Community Forums
613: Community Forums
614: Community Forums
615: Community Forums
616: Community Forums
617: Community Forums
618: Community Forums
619: Home
620: Photo Gallery
621: Your Account
622: Community Forums
623: Photo Gallery
624: Community Forums
625: Downloads
626: Community Forums
627: Member Screenshots
628: Community Forums
629: Community Forums
630: Community Forums
631: Photo Gallery
632: Community Forums
633: CPGlang

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Somali pirates hijacked a ship with 30 T72s enroute to Kenya
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Maple_Leaf_Eh
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 517

PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 4:10 am
Post subject: Somali pirates hijacked a ship with 30 T72s enroute to Kenya

Story on the news today has a band of pirates on board a Ukranian ship somewhere off the coast of Somali, holding the cargo for ransom. It is unusual because the contents are T72 tanks, spares and ammo enroute to Kenya. All on the up and up, but just a strange cargo for the journalists to get excited about. My bets are the ship doesn't get to port before it is sunk out from underneath the crooks.
Back to top
View user's profile
buglerbilly
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 147

PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:26 pm
Post subject: Re: Somali pirates hijacked a ship with 30 T72s enroute to K

As interesting is the fact it was destined for Kenya.

I didn't know they had T-72's but rather Vickers types.

Regards,

BUG
Back to top
View user's profile
buglerbilly
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 147

PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:44 pm
Post subject: Re: Somali pirates hijacked a ship with 30 T72s enroute to K

Just answered my own question, from Wikipedia......

T-72: 110 from Ukraine in 2007 with more planned for delivery in 2008. 33 T-72's ordered from Ukraine were hijacked by Somalian pirates


Regards,

BUG
Back to top
View user's profile
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2066
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:18 pm
Post subject: Re: Somali pirates hijacked a ship with 30 T72s enroute to Kenya

It just amazes me how these bloody Pirates are able to take on these ships.

I guess it shows the difference in approach civilians have towards security watch as opposed to the military. I just can't see a boat(s) approaching unnoticed to board these ships unless a crew member was in on it. One good pair of night vision goggles and a 24 hour watch should stop all this. Issue a quality "Hunting Rifles" with the proper optics and the fun would start.

Pirates, Terrorists, Hi-Jackers, all the same to me, no trail, just a quick execution at High Seas in international waters and problem solved.

Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Maple_Leaf_Eh
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 517

PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:59 am
Post subject: Re: Somali pirates hijacked a ship with 30 T72s enroute to Kenya

Speaking carefully here, the shipping lanes are optimized for speed and fuel economy. The master has an owner who wants his ship delivering cargo. The shipping lanes off Somalia have been bumped further offshore to put more open ocean between the coast, the speed boats, the mother ships and the potential prey.

The typical self-protection methods are high speed, nothing hanging over the side, high pressure hoses, full running lights, calling contacts on open frequencies, and hope. The masters don't authorize any use of force, because word would spread and terrorists being spiteful, would find revenge. Instead of AK fire or grappling hooks, it will be RPGs to the wheelhouse, and the force escalates. Instead of locking the crew in a cabin, they'll be killed. Don't put it past these criminals to bring Recoilless Rifles to a knife fight next time.

I disagree that collusion must be a contributing factor. The average merchant crew are Phillipinos, Koreans or Pakistanis. But I agree that aimed rifle fire and plenty of it, would be a simple subtraction exercise.
Back to top
View user's profile
piney
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 2330
Location: Republic of Southern New Jersey
PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:31 pm
Post subject: Re: Somali pirates hijacked a ship with 30 T72s enroute to Kenya

noted in the news today that the pirates press spokesman(?, guess everybody has to have one nowadays) said they would be willing to fight if anyone tried to stop them. My only question would be the easiest way to sink the tub, aircraft, gunfire or torpedoes. good riddance to the pirates. If this happened a few times I bet the incidence of piracy would go waaaay down


Piney
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2066
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:49 pm
Post subject: Re: Somali pirates hijacked a ship with 30 T72s enroute to Kenya

Spokesman huh,

I guess next they'll be going to the UN to be granted combatant status.

That way when they start getting their A**es kicked they can run to them and get a cease fire arranged, like all these other groups in the world. Then they get legitimized and now a have bargaining rights when in reality they are nothing more than thieves and criminals with some deluded followers.

Oh well, it's all a matter of business with the owners, cheaper to pay and not fight right now compared to how many ships get through.

Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Rikard_Hufschmied
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 458
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:33 am
Post subject: Re: Somali pirates hijacked a ship with 30 T72s enroute to K

I have a couple of friends who sailed the China Seas, Strait of Malacca and the waters around Indonesia, Philippines and PNG in the early 90's. Piracy was on an all time high at the time so they had shotguns and pistols stored in the hold and they had around the clock guard duty. They even considered a deck mounted 0.50 cal. M2HB but the ship would have then been classified as a war ship and that would have complicated things beyond belief.

Nothing happened to them, not even the smallest incident, but they were told they were lucky.

_________________
Frustra Nate Vive Devincere
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Joe_D
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: 2066
Location: Razorback Country
PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:30 am
Post subject: Re: Somali pirates hijacked a ship with 30 T72s enroute to K

Rikard said:

They even considered a deck mounted 0.50 cal. M2HB but the ship would have then been classified as a war ship and that would have complicated things beyond belief.


I didn't even think of that, makes sense. Who would want a ship coming into their port decked out with heavy weapons.

Big question, with the cargo being tanks, why wasn't there some sort of security detachment/ guard force assigned to protect it? Whenever the US ships stuff like this we send a detachment of Soldiers/Marines/Security on board. I would have hoped the Kenyan or Ukrainian Government would have had a team to travel with the equipment. Chalk it up to lessons learned.

Joe D
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Maple_Leaf_Eh
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 517

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:34 pm
Post subject: Re: Somali pirates hijacked a ship with 30 T72s enroute to Kenya

When the Canadians redeployed from Kosovo in '00 after an initial deployment and one roto, they chartered a big Roll On Roll Off oceangoing ferry. Everything from AFVs to containers of ammunition went on board. The prudent thinkers put three grunts on too. They had no ROEs for the ship, just that the cargo wasn't tampered.

Well, the company and its chartering company got into an argument with a third party, and the master refused to put into port. After turning circles in the ocean for two weeks, the ship was boarded by a naval boarding party. The rest of the trip was peaceful. It was called Operation Megaphone for people who track these things.
Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:37 am
Post subject: Re: Somali pirates hijacked a ship with 30 T72s enroute to Kenya

I saw a report on another website that the tanks as well as the other equipment on the ship (ammunition, RPGs, small arms, etc) were destined to the 'South Somali Army' a breakaway faction in Somalia and only transiting through Kenya.

_________________
Bob Smart (bsmart@xecu.net)
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 1:00 am
Post subject: Re: Somali pirates hijacked a ship with 30 T72s enroute to Kenya

South Sudan

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Jim_Coles
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 56

PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 1:29 am
Post subject: Re: Somali pirates hijacked a ship with 30 T72s enroute to Kenya

I note a news article that quotes the pirate leader as saying his men were prepared to fight to the death. Between the US and Russian ships keeping an eye on them, perhaps there are some Marines/Naval Spetsnaz that could accommodate them?
Back to top
View user's profile
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:52 am
Post subject: Re: Somali pirates hijacked a ship with 30 T72s enroute to Kenya

Since direct action (while in the spotlight) would give more publicity to the 'lower life forms' (ie pirates/terrorists, whatever), let them enjoy the 15 minutes of fame.

Then, after things calm down...

let the UAV's quietly patrol, aquire certain targets, and observe as the targets are dispatched to the after life.

Case closed

ALTHOUGH... A highly public Special Ops 'HIT', does have its benefits.

Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:12 am
Post subject: Re: Somali pirates hijacked a ship with 30 T72s enroute to Kenya

- Neil_Baumgardner
South Sudan

Neil


You're right

I need to start paying more attention to that part of the world. Just found out the other night that my son at Ft Gordon will be deploying to Djibouti in the spring

_________________
Bob Smart (bsmart@xecu.net)
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum