±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 771
Total: 771
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Member Screenshots
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: Community Forums
06: Photo Gallery
07: Downloads
08: Home
09: Community Forums
10: Community Forums
11: Community Forums
12: Home
13: Home
14: Community Forums
15: Your Account
16: Community Forums
17: Home
18: Photo Gallery
19: Community Forums
20: Downloads
21: Home
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Photo Gallery
25: Member Screenshots
26: Home
27: Home
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Member Screenshots
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: CPGlang
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: Community Forums
41: Home
42: Community Forums
43: Member Screenshots
44: Community Forums
45: Member Screenshots
46: Downloads
47: Your Account
48: Home
49: Community Forums
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Member Screenshots
55: Community Forums
56: Home
57: Community Forums
58: Home
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Downloads
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: Home
68: Community Forums
69: Photo Gallery
70: CPGlang
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Photo Gallery
76: Member Screenshots
77: Community Forums
78: Photo Gallery
79: Home
80: Community Forums
81: Photo Gallery
82: Photo Gallery
83: News Archive
84: Community Forums
85: Community Forums
86: Home
87: Community Forums
88: Community Forums
89: Photo Gallery
90: Home
91: Community Forums
92: Photo Gallery
93: Community Forums
94: Downloads
95: Community Forums
96: Home
97: Photo Gallery
98: Photo Gallery
99: Community Forums
100: Home
101: Downloads
102: Community Forums
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Home
107: Community Forums
108: Community Forums
109: Community Forums
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Downloads
114: Community Forums
115: Downloads
116: Photo Gallery
117: Community Forums
118: News Archive
119: Community Forums
120: Community Forums
121: Community Forums
122: Your Account
123: Photo Gallery
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Community Forums
129: Community Forums
130: Community Forums
131: Community Forums
132: CPGlang
133: Community Forums
134: Photo Gallery
135: Photo Gallery
136: Member Screenshots
137: Community Forums
138: Photo Gallery
139: Downloads
140: Community Forums
141: Photo Gallery
142: Community Forums
143: Your Account
144: Community Forums
145: Community Forums
146: Community Forums
147: Your Account
148: Community Forums
149: Downloads
150: Community Forums
151: Community Forums
152: Photo Gallery
153: Community Forums
154: Community Forums
155: Downloads
156: Community Forums
157: Home
158: Community Forums
159: Community Forums
160: Photo Gallery
161: Home
162: Member Screenshots
163: Community Forums
164: Member Screenshots
165: Home
166: Home
167: Home
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Downloads
172: Downloads
173: Community Forums
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Home
177: Community Forums
178: Photo Gallery
179: Community Forums
180: Community Forums
181: Downloads
182: Home
183: Community Forums
184: Your Account
185: Your Account
186: Downloads
187: Photo Gallery
188: Community Forums
189: Member Screenshots
190: Community Forums
191: Statistics
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: CPGlang
195: Photo Gallery
196: Community Forums
197: Member Screenshots
198: Community Forums
199: Community Forums
200: Community Forums
201: Community Forums
202: Photo Gallery
203: Photo Gallery
204: Photo Gallery
205: Community Forums
206: Downloads
207: Statistics
208: Community Forums
209: Home
210: Photo Gallery
211: Community Forums
212: Home
213: Community Forums
214: Community Forums
215: Downloads
216: Community Forums
217: Community Forums
218: Community Forums
219: Photo Gallery
220: Member Screenshots
221: Downloads
222: Community Forums
223: Community Forums
224: News
225: Community Forums
226: Photo Gallery
227: Community Forums
228: CPGlang
229: Community Forums
230: Member Screenshots
231: Downloads
232: Photo Gallery
233: Community Forums
234: Home
235: Statistics
236: Downloads
237: Community Forums
238: Community Forums
239: Downloads
240: News Archive
241: Community Forums
242: Community Forums
243: Downloads
244: Home
245: Community Forums
246: Community Forums
247: Photo Gallery
248: CPGlang
249: Community Forums
250: Community Forums
251: Home
252: Community Forums
253: Statistics
254: Downloads
255: Downloads
256: Community Forums
257: Community Forums
258: Community Forums
259: Community Forums
260: Community Forums
261: Community Forums
262: Downloads
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Community Forums
266: Community Forums
267: Community Forums
268: Member Screenshots
269: Community Forums
270: Community Forums
271: Home
272: Downloads
273: Community Forums
274: Home
275: Downloads
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: Community Forums
280: Community Forums
281: Community Forums
282: Home
283: Community Forums
284: News
285: Community Forums
286: Community Forums
287: Community Forums
288: Community Forums
289: Community Forums
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Downloads
293: Community Forums
294: Photo Gallery
295: Community Forums
296: Photo Gallery
297: Home
298: Community Forums
299: Community Forums
300: Community Forums
301: Community Forums
302: Your Account
303: CPGlang
304: Photo Gallery
305: Downloads
306: Your Account
307: Home
308: Community Forums
309: Community Forums
310: Community Forums
311: Home
312: Community Forums
313: Community Forums
314: Community Forums
315: CPGlang
316: Community Forums
317: CPGlang
318: Home
319: Community Forums
320: Photo Gallery
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums
323: Photo Gallery
324: Community Forums
325: Community Forums
326: Photo Gallery
327: Community Forums
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: Community Forums
331: Community Forums
332: Downloads
333: Photo Gallery
334: Community Forums
335: Community Forums
336: Downloads
337: Home
338: Community Forums
339: Community Forums
340: Photo Gallery
341: Community Forums
342: Community Forums
343: Photo Gallery
344: Member Screenshots
345: Photo Gallery
346: Downloads
347: Home
348: Statistics
349: Community Forums
350: Your Account
351: Photo Gallery
352: Home
353: News
354: Photo Gallery
355: Community Forums
356: Community Forums
357: Home
358: Community Forums
359: Community Forums
360: Community Forums
361: Community Forums
362: Photo Gallery
363: Community Forums
364: Your Account
365: Photo Gallery
366: Photo Gallery
367: Photo Gallery
368: Photo Gallery
369: Community Forums
370: Community Forums
371: Photo Gallery
372: Community Forums
373: Downloads
374: Community Forums
375: Home
376: Photo Gallery
377: Community Forums
378: Photo Gallery
379: Community Forums
380: Community Forums
381: Community Forums
382: Downloads
383: Community Forums
384: Your Account
385: Community Forums
386: Your Account
387: Community Forums
388: Community Forums
389: Community Forums
390: Downloads
391: Community Forums
392: Home
393: Community Forums
394: Community Forums
395: Community Forums
396: Community Forums
397: Home
398: Photo Gallery
399: Community Forums
400: Community Forums
401: Community Forums
402: Community Forums
403: Photo Gallery
404: Home
405: Downloads
406: Photo Gallery
407: Community Forums
408: Community Forums
409: Photo Gallery
410: Your Account
411: Community Forums
412: Community Forums
413: Home
414: Community Forums
415: Community Forums
416: Home
417: Community Forums
418: Community Forums
419: Community Forums
420: Community Forums
421: Community Forums
422: Community Forums
423: Community Forums
424: Community Forums
425: Community Forums
426: Photo Gallery
427: Photo Gallery
428: Community Forums
429: Home
430: Photo Gallery
431: CPGlang
432: Community Forums
433: Community Forums
434: Community Forums
435: Community Forums
436: Community Forums
437: Community Forums
438: Photo Gallery
439: CPGlang
440: Member Screenshots
441: Downloads
442: Downloads
443: Community Forums
444: Community Forums
445: Community Forums
446: Community Forums
447: Photo Gallery
448: Downloads
449: Community Forums
450: Downloads
451: Community Forums
452: Community Forums
453: Community Forums
454: Downloads
455: Community Forums
456: Home
457: Member Screenshots
458: Downloads
459: Home
460: Photo Gallery
461: Community Forums
462: Community Forums
463: Community Forums
464: Community Forums
465: Community Forums
466: Community Forums
467: Community Forums
468: Community Forums
469: Photo Gallery
470: Community Forums
471: Photo Gallery
472: Community Forums
473: Community Forums
474: Community Forums
475: Community Forums
476: Community Forums
477: Photo Gallery
478: Community Forums
479: Community Forums
480: Community Forums
481: Community Forums
482: Member Screenshots
483: Downloads
484: Photo Gallery
485: Photo Gallery
486: Downloads
487: Community Forums
488: Photo Gallery
489: CPGlang
490: Community Forums
491: Member Screenshots
492: Community Forums
493: Home
494: Community Forums
495: Photo Gallery
496: Downloads
497: Community Forums
498: Community Forums
499: Community Forums
500: Photo Gallery
501: Downloads
502: Community Forums
503: Downloads
504: Downloads
505: Home
506: Home
507: Community Forums
508: Community Forums
509: Community Forums
510: Your Account
511: Photo Gallery
512: Community Forums
513: Community Forums
514: Community Forums
515: Community Forums
516: Community Forums
517: CPGlang
518: Community Forums
519: Community Forums
520: Home
521: Home
522: Photo Gallery
523: Community Forums
524: Community Forums
525: Downloads
526: Photo Gallery
527: Community Forums
528: Community Forums
529: Community Forums
530: Community Forums
531: Community Forums
532: Community Forums
533: Downloads
534: Community Forums
535: Community Forums
536: Community Forums
537: Community Forums
538: Photo Gallery
539: Home
540: Community Forums
541: Community Forums
542: Community Forums
543: Photo Gallery
544: Community Forums
545: CPGlang
546: Downloads
547: Downloads
548: Community Forums
549: Community Forums
550: Community Forums
551: Community Forums
552: Community Forums
553: Community Forums
554: Downloads
555: Photo Gallery
556: Community Forums
557: Community Forums
558: Photo Gallery
559: Community Forums
560: Community Forums
561: CPGlang
562: Home
563: Community Forums
564: Community Forums
565: Home
566: Community Forums
567: Community Forums
568: Home
569: Photo Gallery
570: Community Forums
571: Community Forums
572: Community Forums
573: Member Screenshots
574: Statistics
575: Your Account
576: Home
577: Community Forums
578: Community Forums
579: Community Forums
580: Home
581: Photo Gallery
582: Community Forums
583: Community Forums
584: Community Forums
585: Photo Gallery
586: Community Forums
587: Community Forums
588: Community Forums
589: Community Forums
590: Community Forums
591: Community Forums
592: Community Forums
593: Photo Gallery
594: Community Forums
595: Community Forums
596: CPGlang
597: Statistics
598: Photo Gallery
599: Photo Gallery
600: Community Forums
601: Community Forums
602: Community Forums
603: Community Forums
604: Photo Gallery
605: Community Forums
606: News Archive
607: Downloads
608: Photo Gallery
609: Community Forums
610: Community Forums
611: Community Forums
612: Community Forums
613: Community Forums
614: Home
615: Community Forums
616: Home
617: Community Forums
618: Community Forums
619: Community Forums
620: Community Forums
621: Photo Gallery
622: Community Forums
623: Community Forums
624: Downloads
625: Community Forums
626: Downloads
627: Photo Gallery
628: Home
629: Community Forums
630: Home
631: Your Account
632: Community Forums
633: Community Forums
634: Community Forums
635: Photo Gallery
636: Downloads
637: Community Forums
638: Community Forums
639: Community Forums
640: Community Forums
641: Community Forums
642: Community Forums
643: Community Forums
644: Community Forums
645: Downloads
646: Photo Gallery
647: Downloads
648: Downloads
649: Downloads
650: Community Forums
651: Community Forums
652: Downloads
653: Photo Gallery
654: Statistics
655: Community Forums
656: Downloads
657: Community Forums
658: Community Forums
659: Statistics
660: Community Forums
661: Community Forums
662: Your Account
663: CPGlang
664: Community Forums
665: CPGlang
666: Community Forums
667: Photo Gallery
668: Community Forums
669: Downloads
670: Community Forums
671: Community Forums
672: Downloads
673: Photo Gallery
674: Community Forums
675: Community Forums
676: Community Forums
677: Community Forums
678: Community Forums
679: Community Forums
680: Home
681: CPGlang
682: Photo Gallery
683: Community Forums
684: Community Forums
685: Downloads
686: Photo Gallery
687: Community Forums
688: Photo Gallery
689: Community Forums
690: Community Forums
691: Community Forums
692: Community Forums
693: Community Forums
694: Community Forums
695: Community Forums
696: Downloads
697: Community Forums
698: Downloads
699: Photo Gallery
700: Community Forums
701: News
702: Community Forums
703: Community Forums
704: CPGlang
705: Photo Gallery
706: Community Forums
707: Community Forums
708: Community Forums
709: Community Forums
710: Home
711: Community Forums
712: Downloads
713: Community Forums
714: Community Forums
715: Community Forums
716: Community Forums
717: Community Forums
718: Community Forums
719: Community Forums
720: Your Account
721: Community Forums
722: Community Forums
723: Community Forums
724: Home
725: Community Forums
726: Community Forums
727: Photo Gallery
728: Photo Gallery
729: Community Forums
730: Photo Gallery
731: Community Forums
732: Community Forums
733: Home
734: Downloads
735: Community Forums
736: Community Forums
737: Home
738: Community Forums
739: Community Forums
740: Your Account
741: Community Forums
742: News Archive
743: Community Forums
744: Community Forums
745: Photo Gallery
746: Community Forums
747: CPGlang
748: Community Forums
749: Community Forums
750: Home
751: Home
752: Community Forums
753: Community Forums
754: Community Forums
755: Community Forums
756: Community Forums
757: Community Forums
758: Community Forums
759: Community Forums
760: Community Forums
761: Community Forums
762: Community Forums
763: Community Forums
764: Community Forums
765: Community Forums
766: Community Forums
767: Community Forums
768: Photo Gallery
769: Photo Gallery
770: Photo Gallery
771: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Preserved Tanks in Brazil
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Maple_Leaf_Eh
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 517

PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 3:18 am
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Brazil

- Doug_Kibbey
The M3 Stuart pic might have been a year or two before. It took me three tries to get a "sanctioned" tour of the whole post with the CO. Gate guards and even lieutenants don't want to take a chance of "doing something wrong" where a foreign national is involved. Strings were pulled locally and I got the $2 tour.

Some of the M3 pics were taken "at a distance" in the previous years (meaning covertly through the car window). When first approached, the guards didn't even want me taking pics of the M3 and M41, which are actually outside of the post gate. OPSEC, you know. Laughing


We tend to poo poo security as we focus on the vehicles. But many countries have long-running disputes with their neighbours. Foreign nationals prowling an active duty military base usually are suspected of espionage. Why else would someone be wandering around a base when the beaches have better scenery?
Back to top
View user's profile
Pzkpfw-e
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jul 21, 2010
Posts: 1202

PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 8:36 am
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Brazil

Remember that a group of English plane spotters got arrested in Greece, not so long ago, taking pictures & noting tail numbers of their clapped-out F16s!
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 9:44 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Brazil

- Maple_Leaf_Eh

We tend to poo poo security as we focus on the vehicles. But many countries have long-running disputes with their neighbours. Foreign nationals prowling an active duty military base usually are suspected of espionage. Why else would someone be wandering around a base when the beaches have better scenery?


Oh, I know. I had the unfair advantage of being accompanied by my wife at that time, who was a native of Mafra and Curitiba. She tried to 'splain it to 'em on two different visits but relations between the Brazilian gov't and mine are not the best.

A third trip produced results when she enlisted the aid of a retired officer the family knew.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:05 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Brazil

- Doug_Kibbey
The M3 Stuart pic might have been a year or two before. It took me three tries to get a "sanctioned" tour of the whole post with the CO. Gate guards and even lieutenants don't want to take a chance of "doing something wrong" where a foreign national is involved. Strings were pulled locally and I got the $2 tour.

Some of the M3 pics were taken "at a distance" in the previous years (meaning covertly through the car window). When first approached, the guards didn't even want me taking pics of the M3 and M41, which are actually outside of the post gate. OPSEC, you know. :lol:

Somewhere here on C-C I think there's a whole thread on my visit there, you can probably search for it. I withheld some pics then at the CO's request because he was kinda' embarrassed about the state of some areas of the motor pool. I think it's been upgraded by now, and I know he was promoted and moved on up.

Rio Negro is right on the river (guess which one :lol: ) at the edge of the state of Parana. Immediately across the river is Mafra in the state of Santa Catarina. Colloquially, it is often called "Rio Mafra" because the two towns are essentially one, separated by a couple of bridges across a hundred meter span of river.

...


Thanks Doug, photo's added and dates amended:

Location 37700: 5º Regimento de Carros de Combate, Vila Militar, Rio Negro



M3A1 Stuart, M41C


Now for some more:

Location 37540: Museu Eduardo André Matarazzo, Bebedouro, São Paulo

FT-17


Location 37560: Postos RodoServ Sorriso, Pardinho, São Paulo



M41C


Location 37600: Praça Presidente Antônio Carlos, Juiz de Fora, Minas Gerais

[img]http://preservedtanks.com/Albums/American/1250-M3%20Lee%23Grant/3157247376-b69450cdb8_M3_Juiz_LMCiuffo_c.jpg[/img]

M3A3


Location 37840: 1º Regimento de Carros de Combate, Santa Maria, Rio Grande do Sul

[img]http://preservedtanks.com/Albums/American/1304-M4%20%28Late%20Production%29%20Sherman/1VoltaVovo_M4_1RCC_YT_Bianosoares_c.jpg[/img]

M4


Location 37850: Carlos Pereira Collection, Panambi, Rio Grande do Sul

M4

_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:42 am
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Brazil

- TrevorLarkum
[q
[img]http://preservedtanks.com/Albums/American/1250-M3%20Lee%23Grant/3157247376-b69450cdb8_M3_Juiz_LMCiuffo_c.jpg[/img]

M3A3




Those "light tube" things are a lot more appealing at night and lit than in the daylight... Rolling Eyes

Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 5:57 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Brazil

- Doug_Kibbey
Those "light tube" things are a lot more appealing at night and lit than in the daylight... :roll:



Agreed - but it's still a good picture so I've added it to the tank's page.


- Massimo_Foti
I am still not 100% about the info I have on brazilian L3 tanks. I have the strong feeling there could be more, not listed in the PDF.

Massimo


I think I've found another one:

Location 37250: 15º Regimento de Cavalaria Mecanizado-Escola, Vila Militar, Rio de Janeiro



M41C, 2xL3

- I followed up the L3/35 in your Register and it certainly looks to me like the one I found in StreetView sitting outside is a different one to the one you list. Just click on the StreetView links if you want a closer link.

BTW, if anyone is tracking M3s and M8s, note the ones on display here.

_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Brazil

- TrevorLarkum


Agreed - but it's still a good picture so I've added it to the tank's page.


That's fine.


BTW, with regard to tracking all these vehicles in Brazil, be aware that at least as recently as 2005 or so, there was an individual there that privately owned quite a number of former government Stuarts and other vehicles. It was a virtual stash that would be the envy of any Stuart collector, though few, if any, were in "restored" condition. IIRC, there were legal issues about anyone trying to purchase or return any to the U.S. I've seen a couple of pics of this collection and a wild guess from memory was that he owned anywhere from 10-20 vehicles.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:14 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Brazil

- Doug_Kibbey

BTW, with regard to tracking all these vehicles in Brazil, be aware that at least as recently as 2005 or so, there was an individual there that privately owned quite a number of former government Stuarts and other vehicles. It was a virtual stash that would be the envy of any Stuart collector, though few, if any, were in "restored" condition. IIRC, there were legal issues about anyone trying to purchase or return any to the U.S. I've seen a couple of pics of this collection and a wild guess from memory was that he owned anywhere from 10-20 vehicles.


I think you are referring to this:
www.militarytrader.com...iscovered/

One of the tank end up in Switzerland:
www.flickr.com/photos/...4249113513

At least another one is in England:
www.flickr.com/photos/...6270470716

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:18 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Brazil

- TrevorLarkum

- Massimo_Foti
I am still not 100% about the info I have on brazilian L3 tanks. I have the strong feeling there could be more, not listed in the PDF.

Massimo


I think I've found another one:

Location 37250: 15º Regimento de Cavalaria Mecanizado-Escola, Vila Militar, Rio de Janeiro



M41C, 2xL3

- I followed up the L3/35 in your Register and it certainly looks to me like the one I found in StreetView sitting outside is a different one to the one you list. Just click on the StreetView links if you want a closer link.


I've updated the PDF just two weeks ago, and I added it already (Rafal gave me a pointer). Thanks for letting me know anyway.

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:28 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Brazil

- Massimo_Foti
- Doug_Kibbey

BTW, with regard to tracking all these vehicles in Brazil, be aware that at least as recently as 2005 or so, there was an individual there that privately owned quite a number of former government Stuarts and other vehicles. It was a virtual stash that would be the envy of any Stuart collector, though few, if any, were in "restored" condition. IIRC, there were legal issues about anyone trying to purchase or return any to the U.S. I've seen a couple of pics of this collection and a wild guess from memory was that he owned anywhere from 10-20 vehicles.


I think you are referring to this:

Massimo


Yes, that seems likely. Existence of this collection (which is hardly what it seemed to be...we're not speaking of a Littlefieldesque sort of character here) was fairly well known. The vehicles were exposed to the elements on this guys fazenda or something and he was sort of eccentric.

I was reminded of a guy in Missouri west of St. Louis near where I lived in the country who had 4-5 antique Harley-Davidsons left out in the front yard to rust, but was very unreceptive to any inquiries about buying any of them.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:43 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Brazil

- Massimo_Foti

I think you are referring to this:
www.militarytrader.com...iscovered/

One of the tank end up in Switzerland:
www.flickr.com/photos/...4249113513

At least another one is in England:
www.flickr.com/photos/...6270470716


Thanks for the reminder - I'd forgotten about that collection. The story is in Classic Military Vehicle magazine 91, December 2008 (though bizarrely the front cover says 'Argentine M3 Stuarts'). Mike Stallwood was being pretty vague when he said the location was '125 miles north of Sao Paulo'. I did some digging and found it was at Itupeva, and I've started a write up here:

Location 37590: Private Collection, Itupeva, São Paulo



I've recently learned that the remainder of the collection moved to Braganca Paulista, and I've more information and pictures on the way, so I'll rewrite that entry soon. I'll also add those two Stuarts, plus the ones that then went on to Staman (which will neatly lead me back to working on Preserved Tanks in the Netherlands).


Meanwhile, other new entries:

Location 37530: 11ª Brigada de Infantaria Leve, Jardim Chapadão, Campinas, São Paulo

M74 TRV


Location 37280: Museu a Céu Aberto, Praça Dos Ex-Combatentes, São Gonçalo, Rio de Janeiro Region

[img]http://preservedtanks.com/Albums/American/1250-M3%20Lee%23Grant/9_M3_ExCombatentes_SGTurismo_c.jpg[/img]

M3A3 Lee


Location 37860: 29º Batalhão de Infanteria Blindado, Boi Morto, Santa Maria, Rio Grande do Sul



M3A1 Stuart


Location 37750: 29º Batalhão de Infanteria Blindado, Boi Morto, Santa Maria, Rio Grande do Sul



M3A1 Stuart


- TrevorLarkum


I've researched this further and rewritten it:

Location 37850: Steindorff Viaturas, Panambi, Rio Grande do Sul

M3 x3, M41C x3, M5 HST, M4


Meanwhile I've added new models into the database so I can track different models of the X1 individually:

Preserved X1 Light Tanks

_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:20 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Brazil

I think I already send you quite a good amount of shots covering the swiss Stuart, including pictures taken during restoration.
The collection includes also: Alvis Striker (on sale right now), Alvis Sabre, M5 half-track, BMP-1, M29 Weasel. All runners. The Stuart arrived also with a spare diesel engine.
I have pictures of all of them, apart the Striker here:
www.flickr.com/photos/...249113513/

As for the one in Bovington, you can grab my shots directly from Flickr if you like.

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
bialy-r
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: May 06, 2009
Posts: 1233
Location: POLAND
PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:53 am
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Brazil

Some M3 Stuarts

www.steindorffviaturas...p?codigo=7

www.steindorffviaturas...p?codigo=8

www.steindorffviaturas...?codigo=10
Back to top
View user's profile
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:57 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Brazil

- Massimo_Foti
I think I already send you quite a good amount of shots covering the swiss Stuart, including pictures taken during restoration.
The collection includes also: Alvis Striker (on sale right now), Alvis Sabre, M5 half-track, BMP-1, M29 Weasel. All runners. The Stuart arrived also with a spare diesel engine.
I have pictures of all of them, apart the Striker here:
www.flickr.com/photos/...249113513/

As for the one in Bovington, you can grab my shots directly from Flickr if you like.

Massimo


I'll be working on those Stuarts next, thanks for use of the photos. I'll also try and track down any of the other tanks that originated at Itupeva.



- bialy-r


Yes, those are some of the links I used to write up the tanks there:

- TrevorLarkum
- TrevorLarkum


I've researched this further and rewritten it:

Location 37850: Steindorff Viaturas, Panambi, Rio Grande do Sul

M3 x3, M41C x3, M5 HST, M4




Anyway, my flights were booked yesterday and I got jabbed this morning, so it looks like it's on, for the end of August. If anyone has any requests for photo's just ask, and I'll try to accommodate them. I'm unlikely to get outside the Rio area, though, so these are the collections I'll try to get to, with the Linhares one closest to Rio centre the most likely:

Preserved Tanks in Rio de Janeiro

Meanwhile I'm away on a brief holiday nearer home so will be off the forum for a few days.

_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Massimo_Foti
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2008
Posts: 5397
Location: Lugano, Switzerland
PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 7:35 pm
Post subject: Re: Preserved Tanks in Brazil

Now that I think about it, the other M3 Stuart in Bovington comes from Brasil too. It was donated by the brasilian army and it's a runner:
www.flickr.com/photos/...6270470716

Massimo
Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 2 of 4
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum