±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 636
Total: 636
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: CPGlang
02: Downloads
03: Home
04: Community Forums
05: Downloads
06: Community Forums
07: Community Forums
08: Home
09: CPGlang
10: Statistics
11: Photo Gallery
12: Community Forums
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: Community Forums
19: Downloads
20: Member Screenshots
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Your Account
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Community Forums
29: Photo Gallery
30: Community Forums
31: Photo Gallery
32: Community Forums
33: Home
34: Home
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Member Screenshots
39: Statistics
40: Community Forums
41: Member Screenshots
42: Community Forums
43: Photo Gallery
44: Home
45: Community Forums
46: News Archive
47: Photo Gallery
48: Community Forums
49: Community Forums
50: Your Account
51: Community Forums
52: News
53: Photo Gallery
54: Community Forums
55: Home
56: Photo Gallery
57: Community Forums
58: Member Screenshots
59: Community Forums
60: Photo Gallery
61: Community Forums
62: Photo Gallery
63: Photo Gallery
64: Community Forums
65: Downloads
66: Community Forums
67: Community Forums
68: CPGlang
69: Community Forums
70: Community Forums
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Photo Gallery
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Member Screenshots
77: Community Forums
78: Downloads
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Photo Gallery
84: Community Forums
85: Community Forums
86: Photo Gallery
87: Community Forums
88: Community Forums
89: Your Account
90: Community Forums
91: Photo Gallery
92: Community Forums
93: Statistics
94: Community Forums
95: Community Forums
96: Community Forums
97: Home
98: Community Forums
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Your Account
102: Home
103: Downloads
104: Community Forums
105: Home
106: Home
107: Home
108: Home
109: Downloads
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Photo Gallery
113: Community Forums
114: Home
115: Community Forums
116: CPGlang
117: Photo Gallery
118: Photo Gallery
119: News Archive
120: Community Forums
121: Community Forums
122: Community Forums
123: Home
124: Community Forums
125: Your Account
126: Community Forums
127: Photo Gallery
128: Community Forums
129: Community Forums
130: Home
131: Home
132: Community Forums
133: Photo Gallery
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Downloads
137: Community Forums
138: Photo Gallery
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Photo Gallery
143: Downloads
144: Community Forums
145: Community Forums
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Community Forums
149: Home
150: Community Forums
151: Community Forums
152: Home
153: Community Forums
154: Community Forums
155: Photo Gallery
156: Photo Gallery
157: Downloads
158: Downloads
159: Community Forums
160: Community Forums
161: CPGlang
162: Community Forums
163: Home
164: Community Forums
165: Community Forums
166: Community Forums
167: Home
168: Downloads
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: Photo Gallery
172: Photo Gallery
173: Photo Gallery
174: Statistics
175: Home
176: Home
177: Community Forums
178: Community Forums
179: Community Forums
180: Community Forums
181: Community Forums
182: Home
183: Photo Gallery
184: Community Forums
185: Community Forums
186: Community Forums
187: Community Forums
188: Community Forums
189: Community Forums
190: Community Forums
191: Photo Gallery
192: Photo Gallery
193: Community Forums
194: Community Forums
195: Community Forums
196: Community Forums
197: Community Forums
198: Downloads
199: Community Forums
200: Community Forums
201: Your Account
202: Community Forums
203: Community Forums
204: Community Forums
205: Photo Gallery
206: Community Forums
207: Home
208: Community Forums
209: Home
210: Community Forums
211: Community Forums
212: Community Forums
213: Home
214: Member Screenshots
215: Downloads
216: Downloads
217: Community Forums
218: Community Forums
219: Community Forums
220: Photo Gallery
221: Community Forums
222: Photo Gallery
223: Community Forums
224: Photo Gallery
225: Community Forums
226: News
227: Member Screenshots
228: Community Forums
229: Community Forums
230: Community Forums
231: Home
232: Community Forums
233: Community Forums
234: Community Forums
235: Community Forums
236: Home
237: Community Forums
238: Community Forums
239: Home
240: Downloads
241: Community Forums
242: Home
243: Community Forums
244: Community Forums
245: Community Forums
246: Community Forums
247: Downloads
248: Community Forums
249: Community Forums
250: Community Forums
251: Community Forums
252: Photo Gallery
253: Photo Gallery
254: Community Forums
255: Community Forums
256: Community Forums
257: Community Forums
258: News Archive
259: Home
260: Community Forums
261: Home
262: Photo Gallery
263: Downloads
264: Home
265: Community Forums
266: Photo Gallery
267: Community Forums
268: Photo Gallery
269: Photo Gallery
270: Community Forums
271: Community Forums
272: Community Forums
273: Downloads
274: Photo Gallery
275: Community Forums
276: Community Forums
277: Member Screenshots
278: Photo Gallery
279: Community Forums
280: Community Forums
281: Community Forums
282: Community Forums
283: Community Forums
284: Community Forums
285: Community Forums
286: Community Forums
287: Community Forums
288: Community Forums
289: Community Forums
290: Community Forums
291: Photo Gallery
292: Downloads
293: Community Forums
294: Community Forums
295: Photo Gallery
296: Community Forums
297: Community Forums
298: Community Forums
299: Photo Gallery
300: Community Forums
301: Community Forums
302: Photo Gallery
303: Community Forums
304: Community Forums
305: Community Forums
306: Community Forums
307: Home
308: Home
309: Community Forums
310: Community Forums
311: Photo Gallery
312: Downloads
313: Community Forums
314: Community Forums
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: Community Forums
318: Community Forums
319: Photo Gallery
320: Community Forums
321: Community Forums
322: Photo Gallery
323: Community Forums
324: Photo Gallery
325: Photo Gallery
326: Photo Gallery
327: Downloads
328: Community Forums
329: Photo Gallery
330: Community Forums
331: Community Forums
332: CPGlang
333: Community Forums
334: Downloads
335: Community Forums
336: Home
337: Community Forums
338: Community Forums
339: Home
340: Home
341: CPGlang
342: Downloads
343: Community Forums
344: Photo Gallery
345: Community Forums
346: Photo Gallery
347: Community Forums
348: Community Forums
349: Photo Gallery
350: Community Forums
351: Community Forums
352: Photo Gallery
353: Community Forums
354: Photo Gallery
355: Community Forums
356: Photo Gallery
357: Photo Gallery
358: Home
359: Photo Gallery
360: Home
361: News Archive
362: Community Forums
363: Community Forums
364: Community Forums
365: Photo Gallery
366: Home
367: Community Forums
368: Photo Gallery
369: Community Forums
370: Community Forums
371: Community Forums
372: Photo Gallery
373: Photo Gallery
374: Photo Gallery
375: Community Forums
376: Community Forums
377: Photo Gallery
378: Community Forums
379: Home
380: Community Forums
381: Photo Gallery
382: Member Screenshots
383: Photo Gallery
384: Community Forums
385: Community Forums
386: Photo Gallery
387: Community Forums
388: Community Forums
389: Photo Gallery
390: Community Forums
391: Community Forums
392: Community Forums
393: Photo Gallery
394: Community Forums
395: Community Forums
396: Home
397: Community Forums
398: Community Forums
399: Community Forums
400: Community Forums
401: Community Forums
402: Community Forums
403: Photo Gallery
404: Home
405: Community Forums
406: Photo Gallery
407: Photo Gallery
408: Community Forums
409: Community Forums
410: Community Forums
411: Photo Gallery
412: Community Forums
413: Community Forums
414: Community Forums
415: Community Forums
416: Community Forums
417: Community Forums
418: Downloads
419: Home
420: Community Forums
421: Community Forums
422: Community Forums
423: Community Forums
424: Community Forums
425: Community Forums
426: Community Forums
427: Community Forums
428: Community Forums
429: Your Account
430: Community Forums
431: Community Forums
432: Photo Gallery
433: Community Forums
434: Home
435: Photo Gallery
436: CPGlang
437: Photo Gallery
438: Community Forums
439: Community Forums
440: Community Forums
441: Home
442: Community Forums
443: Community Forums
444: Community Forums
445: Statistics
446: Community Forums
447: Community Forums
448: CPGlang
449: Community Forums
450: Community Forums
451: Community Forums
452: Photo Gallery
453: Community Forums
454: Community Forums
455: Home
456: Home
457: Community Forums
458: Community Forums
459: Home
460: Community Forums
461: Photo Gallery
462: Statistics
463: Downloads
464: Community Forums
465: Photo Gallery
466: Community Forums
467: Community Forums
468: Photo Gallery
469: Community Forums
470: Member Screenshots
471: Community Forums
472: Downloads
473: Community Forums
474: Community Forums
475: Your Account
476: Home
477: Photo Gallery
478: Community Forums
479: Community Forums
480: News
481: Home
482: Photo Gallery
483: Community Forums
484: Community Forums
485: Photo Gallery
486: Community Forums
487: Community Forums
488: Home
489: Photo Gallery
490: Community Forums
491: Photo Gallery
492: Home
493: Photo Gallery
494: Photo Gallery
495: Community Forums
496: Community Forums
497: Community Forums
498: Community Forums
499: Photo Gallery
500: Community Forums
501: Community Forums
502: Downloads
503: Community Forums
504: Your Account
505: Community Forums
506: Photo Gallery
507: Photo Gallery
508: Photo Gallery
509: Photo Gallery
510: Community Forums
511: Community Forums
512: Community Forums
513: Downloads
514: Community Forums
515: Photo Gallery
516: Community Forums
517: Community Forums
518: Community Forums
519: Photo Gallery
520: Photo Gallery
521: Community Forums
522: Photo Gallery
523: Member Screenshots
524: Photo Gallery
525: Community Forums
526: Community Forums
527: News
528: Community Forums
529: Community Forums
530: Community Forums
531: Community Forums
532: Community Forums
533: Community Forums
534: Home
535: Downloads
536: Community Forums
537: Community Forums
538: Community Forums
539: Photo Gallery
540: Community Forums
541: Community Forums
542: Community Forums
543: Community Forums
544: Community Forums
545: Community Forums
546: Photo Gallery
547: Photo Gallery
548: Community Forums
549: Community Forums
550: Community Forums
551: Community Forums
552: Community Forums
553: Your Account
554: Community Forums
555: Community Forums
556: Community Forums
557: Home
558: Photo Gallery
559: Photo Gallery
560: Community Forums
561: Community Forums
562: CPGlang
563: Community Forums
564: Home
565: Photo Gallery
566: Community Forums
567: Community Forums
568: Photo Gallery
569: Community Forums
570: Photo Gallery
571: Community Forums
572: Community Forums
573: Community Forums
574: Downloads
575: Photo Gallery
576: Downloads
577: Downloads
578: Home
579: Home
580: Photo Gallery
581: Community Forums
582: Groups
583: Home
584: Community Forums
585: Community Forums
586: Community Forums
587: Community Forums
588: Community Forums
589: Community Forums
590: Community Forums
591: Community Forums
592: Community Forums
593: Photo Gallery
594: Photo Gallery
595: Community Forums
596: Home
597: Community Forums
598: Community Forums
599: Community Forums
600: Home
601: Community Forums
602: Community Forums
603: Community Forums
604: Community Forums
605: CPGlang
606: Community Forums
607: Photo Gallery
608: Home
609: Home
610: Community Forums
611: Photo Gallery
612: Home
613: Member Screenshots
614: Community Forums
615: Community Forums
616: Your Account
617: Community Forums
618: Photo Gallery
619: Your Account
620: Community Forums
621: Community Forums
622: Community Forums
623: Community Forums
624: Community Forums
625: Community Forums
626: Member Screenshots
627: Community Forums
628: Community Forums
629: Photo Gallery
630: CPGlang
631: Community Forums
632: Community Forums
633: News Archive
634: Home
635: Community Forums
636: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
T114/M114 Serial Number locations
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page Previous  1, 2
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Kurt_Laughlin
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 577

PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:48 pm
Post subject: Re: T114/M114 Serial Number locations

The likely reason for the different numbers on the rear is that one is the build number or place on the assembly line while the other is the Ordnance serial or acceptance number. You can imagine how the first vehicle in the line finishes up and gets SN 1, the second SN 2, and so on, but what happens if a defect is discovered in a vehicle on the line? The likely scenario is that it gets pulled out, repaired, and re-inserted. That knocks the two number series out of alignment until after the defective vehicle gets accepted.

Evidence shows that early vehicles have little or no difference between the two numbers but that it grows as the numbers increase.

KL
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
silviop15
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 03, 2015
Posts: 415

PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:16 pm
Post subject: Re: T114/M114 Serial Number locations

Makes sense. The number under the rear, right, lifting hook is 176.
Back to top
View user's profile
TrevorLarkum
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 16, 2007
Posts: 1596
Location: Northampton, England
PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 10:34 pm
Post subject: Re: T114/M114 Serial Number locations

So presumably the lower of the two numbers is the build number and the higher is the acceptance number?

_________________
Trevor

Dr Trevor Larkum
Preserved Tanks: PreservedTanks.com
Armour Archive: ArmourArchive.co.uk
EVs
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Kurt_Laughlin
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 577

PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:53 pm
Post subject: Re: T114/M114 Serial Number locations

- TrevorLarkum
So presumably the lower of the two numbers is the build number and the higher is the acceptance number?


I'd say just the opposite. If hulls 201 thru 205 get taken out of line, serial number 201 will be assigned to build number 206. The position, as on M41s and M42s, is more definitive.

KL
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
silviop15
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 03, 2015
Posts: 415

PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:37 pm
Post subject: Re: T114/M114 Serial Number locations

Agreed.
Back to top
View user's profile
Kurt_Laughlin
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 577

PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 1:58 am
Post subject: Re: T114/M114 Serial Number locations

I had to run to work today so here is some further discussion. On M41s and M42s it has been determined that the left number is the BN, the right number is the Ordnance SN:
www.com-central.net/in...m41+serial

So, here's a sample:
M41
BN - SN
377 - 378
980 - 980
1091 - 1086
2510 - 2506
2920 - 2925
2985 - 2982
3010 - 3007
3023 - 3019
3225 - 3225

M42
BN - SN
304 - 303
537 - 537
1183 - 1181
1621 - 1620
1689 - 1677
1673 - 1686

KL
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
vagabond
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Dec 05, 2009
Posts: 1388
Location: Constantly moving across US
PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 2:19 am
Post subject: Re: T114/M114 Serial Number locations

So on the example photos from Fort Carson that I posted earlier in this thread, the Build Number would be the LEFT stamping of 1266 and the Ordnance SN would be the RIGHT stamping of 1268 - correct?
Back to top
View user's profile
silviop15
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 03, 2015
Posts: 415

PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 2:45 am
Post subject: Re: T114/M114 Serial Number locations

No.

The LEFT number, matches the serial number on the dataplate, which matches the number stamped behind the dataplate on the hull.
Back to top
View user's profile
Kurt_Laughlin
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 577

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:34 am
Post subject: Re: T114/M114 Serial Number locations

- vagabond
So on the example photos from Fort Carson that I posted earlier in this thread, the Build Number would be the LEFT stamping of 1266 and the Ordnance SN would be the RIGHT stamping of 1268 - correct?


That's an M114. You can't extrapolate the positions from M41s and M42s. I included those examples to address the "which is usually lower?" question.

KL
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
vagabond
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Dec 05, 2009
Posts: 1388
Location: Constantly moving across US
PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 9:33 pm
Post subject: Re: T114/M114 Serial Number locations

Ok. I mistakenly applied Kurt's example of M41/42 rear plates to M114s.

Let's see if I have this correct for M114s now:

The number below the LEFT rear lifting hook corresponds to the SN.

The number stamped below the RIGHT lifting hook might be the Build number?

Is it strange that the build number would be lower than the SN? For Silvio's M114 the SN is 180 and the RIGHT rear stamping is 176.

Similar situation on the Ft Carson examples - the Left number is lower than the right on both M114 displayed there.
Back to top
View user's profile
silviop15
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 03, 2015
Posts: 415

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 9:41 pm
Post subject: Re: T114/M114 Serial Number locations

Seems about right.

Since when does the army make sense? Razz
Back to top
View user's profile
Kurt_Laughlin
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 577

PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:33 am
Post subject: Re: T114/M114 Serial Number locations

Greater than, equal to, and less than are all possible. For example:

BN - SN
1 - 1
2 - 2
3 - 3
4 - Oops, throws a track during the test drive.
5 - 4
6 - Oops, engine blows a gasket during the 50 mile run-in.
7 - 5
Track re-set, BN 4 put back into the line
4 - 6
8 - 7
Engine repaired, BN 6 put back into the line
6 - 8
9 - 9
10 - 10

Or let's say that the Ordnance inspector only applies SNs at the end of the shift, and does it by walking from one end of the parking area to the other:

BN, as parked
104 - 100 - 101 - 103 - 102
SN, as assigned
100 - 101 - 102 - 103 - 104

KL
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 2 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page Previous  1, 2



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum