±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 504
Total: 504
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Downloads
03: Community Forums
04: Photo Gallery
05: Photo Gallery
06: CPGlang
07: Photo Gallery
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Community Forums
11: Photo Gallery
12: Community Forums
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: Community Forums
19: Your Account
20: Community Forums
21: Downloads
22: Home
23: Community Forums
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Community Forums
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: Community Forums
35: Home
36: Community Forums
37: Your Account
38: Community Forums
39: Photo Gallery
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Photo Gallery
43: Community Forums
44: Photo Gallery
45: Community Forums
46: Community Forums
47: Community Forums
48: Community Forums
49: Community Forums
50: Community Forums
51: Photo Gallery
52: Community Forums
53: Photo Gallery
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Home
57: Community Forums
58: Community Forums
59: Downloads
60: Home
61: Statistics
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Photo Gallery
65: Community Forums
66: CPGlang
67: Community Forums
68: Downloads
69: Photo Gallery
70: Community Forums
71: Photo Gallery
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Photo Gallery
77: Community Forums
78: Photo Gallery
79: Photo Gallery
80: Photo Gallery
81: Photo Gallery
82: CPGlang
83: Community Forums
84: Community Forums
85: Photo Gallery
86: Community Forums
87: Photo Gallery
88: Community Forums
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Photo Gallery
93: Photo Gallery
94: Community Forums
95: Photo Gallery
96: Community Forums
97: Home
98: Community Forums
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Community Forums
102: Community Forums
103: CPGlang
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Your Account
107: Home
108: Photo Gallery
109: Community Forums
110: Photo Gallery
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Community Forums
114: Community Forums
115: Downloads
116: Home
117: Downloads
118: Community Forums
119: Community Forums
120: Downloads
121: Home
122: Home
123: Home
124: Home
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Photo Gallery
129: Your Account
130: Community Forums
131: Community Forums
132: Community Forums
133: Community Forums
134: Community Forums
135: Downloads
136: Photo Gallery
137: Community Forums
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: Home
141: Community Forums
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Photo Gallery
145: Community Forums
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: Downloads
151: Community Forums
152: Community Forums
153: Community Forums
154: Community Forums
155: Home
156: Photo Gallery
157: Community Forums
158: Community Forums
159: Community Forums
160: Community Forums
161: Photo Gallery
162: Community Forums
163: Community Forums
164: Community Forums
165: Community Forums
166: Community Forums
167: Community Forums
168: Statistics
169: Statistics
170: Community Forums
171: Photo Gallery
172: Member Screenshots
173: Community Forums
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Home
177: Community Forums
178: Home
179: Community Forums
180: Community Forums
181: Photo Gallery
182: Photo Gallery
183: CPGlang
184: Home
185: Home
186: Community Forums
187: Community Forums
188: Community Forums
189: Community Forums
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: Community Forums
193: Downloads
194: Community Forums
195: Your Account
196: Community Forums
197: Community Forums
198: Home
199: Home
200: Photo Gallery
201: Photo Gallery
202: Community Forums
203: Downloads
204: Community Forums
205: Community Forums
206: Community Forums
207: Community Forums
208: CPGlang
209: Community Forums
210: Home
211: Community Forums
212: Home
213: Community Forums
214: Home
215: Community Forums
216: Photo Gallery
217: Community Forums
218: Photo Gallery
219: Home
220: Community Forums
221: Community Forums
222: Community Forums
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Community Forums
227: Community Forums
228: Photo Gallery
229: Community Forums
230: Photo Gallery
231: Community Forums
232: Community Forums
233: Photo Gallery
234: Photo Gallery
235: Community Forums
236: Community Forums
237: Community Forums
238: News
239: Community Forums
240: Community Forums
241: Community Forums
242: Community Forums
243: Community Forums
244: Community Forums
245: Community Forums
246: Community Forums
247: Search
248: Community Forums
249: Community Forums
250: Community Forums
251: Downloads
252: Photo Gallery
253: Community Forums
254: Home
255: Photo Gallery
256: Community Forums
257: Community Forums
258: Community Forums
259: Home
260: Downloads
261: Photo Gallery
262: Community Forums
263: CPGlang
264: Community Forums
265: Home
266: Community Forums
267: Home
268: Community Forums
269: Photo Gallery
270: Community Forums
271: Photo Gallery
272: Home
273: Photo Gallery
274: Community Forums
275: CPGlang
276: Community Forums
277: Photo Gallery
278: Community Forums
279: Downloads
280: Photo Gallery
281: Community Forums
282: Community Forums
283: Community Forums
284: Community Forums
285: Member Screenshots
286: Community Forums
287: Home
288: Home
289: Photo Gallery
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Community Forums
293: Community Forums
294: Community Forums
295: Community Forums
296: Photo Gallery
297: Community Forums
298: Community Forums
299: Community Forums
300: Community Forums
301: Community Forums
302: Community Forums
303: Community Forums
304: Community Forums
305: Community Forums
306: Community Forums
307: Community Forums
308: Home
309: Photo Gallery
310: Community Forums
311: Community Forums
312: Community Forums
313: Community Forums
314: Photo Gallery
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: Community Forums
318: Community Forums
319: Downloads
320: Community Forums
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums
323: Community Forums
324: Community Forums
325: Community Forums
326: Community Forums
327: Photo Gallery
328: Community Forums
329: Photo Gallery
330: Community Forums
331: Community Forums
332: Community Forums
333: Community Forums
334: Community Forums
335: Community Forums
336: Community Forums
337: Downloads
338: Community Forums
339: Community Forums
340: Community Forums
341: Community Forums
342: Community Forums
343: Community Forums
344: Photo Gallery
345: Downloads
346: Community Forums
347: News
348: Community Forums
349: Home
350: Community Forums
351: Community Forums
352: Photo Gallery
353: Community Forums
354: Community Forums
355: Community Forums
356: Community Forums
357: Community Forums
358: Statistics
359: Photo Gallery
360: Community Forums
361: Community Forums
362: Community Forums
363: Community Forums
364: Photo Gallery
365: Community Forums
366: Community Forums
367: Community Forums
368: Photo Gallery
369: Community Forums
370: Downloads
371: Photo Gallery
372: Community Forums
373: Community Forums
374: Home
375: Photo Gallery
376: Community Forums
377: Photo Gallery
378: Community Forums
379: Photo Gallery
380: Home
381: Photo Gallery
382: Photo Gallery
383: Community Forums
384: Community Forums
385: CPGlang
386: Community Forums
387: Community Forums
388: Community Forums
389: Community Forums
390: Community Forums
391: Home
392: Community Forums
393: Downloads
394: Photo Gallery
395: Home
396: Photo Gallery
397: Community Forums
398: Your Account
399: Community Forums
400: Community Forums
401: Community Forums
402: Community Forums
403: CPGlang
404: Photo Gallery
405: Photo Gallery
406: Photo Gallery
407: Your Account
408: Photo Gallery
409: Community Forums
410: Community Forums
411: Community Forums
412: Community Forums
413: Home
414: Community Forums
415: Community Forums
416: Community Forums
417: Community Forums
418: Community Forums
419: Community Forums
420: Home
421: Photo Gallery
422: Home
423: Community Forums
424: Community Forums
425: Community Forums
426: Photo Gallery
427: Community Forums
428: Community Forums
429: Downloads
430: CPGlang
431: Community Forums
432: Community Forums
433: Photo Gallery
434: Home
435: Home
436: Community Forums
437: Photo Gallery
438: Home
439: Community Forums
440: Member Screenshots
441: Community Forums
442: Home
443: Photo Gallery
444: Photo Gallery
445: Community Forums
446: Community Forums
447: Community Forums
448: Photo Gallery
449: Community Forums
450: Photo Gallery
451: Community Forums
452: Community Forums
453: Community Forums
454: Photo Gallery
455: Home
456: CPGlang
457: Community Forums
458: Community Forums
459: Community Forums
460: Community Forums
461: Downloads
462: Photo Gallery
463: CPGlang
464: CPGlang
465: Community Forums
466: Community Forums
467: Community Forums
468: Photo Gallery
469: Community Forums
470: Community Forums
471: Home
472: Community Forums
473: Community Forums
474: Photo Gallery
475: Community Forums
476: Member Screenshots
477: Community Forums
478: Community Forums
479: Community Forums
480: Home
481: Downloads
482: Community Forums
483: Photo Gallery
484: Community Forums
485: Community Forums
486: Home
487: Downloads
488: Downloads
489: Community Forums
490: Downloads
491: Community Forums
492: Community Forums
493: Community Forums
494: Community Forums
495: Community Forums
496: Community Forums
497: Photo Gallery
498: Home
499: Community Forums
500: Community Forums
501: Community Forums
502: Photo Gallery
503: Photo Gallery
504: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
T-28 & T95
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:37 pm
Post subject: Re: T-28 & T95

- bsmart
C-8 I think was another Army plane (The DeHaviland Buffalo?)


Oooh, Oooh!...I know that one!

"The first four aircraft produced in 1964-65 were delivered to the U.S. Army under the designation YAC-2 (later changed to CV-7A and subsequently C-8A) but, as already stated, no American production order followed."

...and you will sometimes see the designation DHC-5A, but as it wasn't adopted, this is sort of a "limbo" name....


...and the A.F. F110 name for a Phantom was the "Spectre", but Ernst Blofeld put a stop to that with a blackmail scheme involving a satellite equipped with what he called a "Laser"....
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:48 pm
Post subject: Re: T-28 & T95

- Doug_Kibbey
- bsmart
C-8 I think was another Army plane (The DeHaviland Buffalo?)


Oooh, Oooh!...I know that one!

"The first four aircraft produced in 1964-65 were delivered to the U.S. Army under the designation YAC-2 (later changed to CV-7A and subsequently C-8A) but, as already stated, no American production order followed."

...and you will sometimes see the designation DHC-5A, but as it wasn't adopted, this is sort of a "limbo" name....
I think the C-8 was coming around just about the time of the 'Key West Agreement' that limited the Army to no 'large' or 'combat' Fixed wing Aircraft. The C-7 caribou was put as the armies upper limit and the C-8 bing a little larger would have had to be an Air Force Aircraft after the agreement. The Air Force said 'We have the old C-123s and the new C-130s we don't need another cargo plane to take dollars away from fighters and bombers. Oh and by the way don't even think about hanging guns, rockets or bombs on the O-2 Mohawks you have, even if they have six hardpoints under the wings and are stressed for tactical manouvers.

_________________
Bob Smart (bsmart@xecu.net)
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Jinx
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 186
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:40 pm
Post subject: Re: T-28 & T95

- bsmart
The Air Force got the F-5 for the fighter version of the T-38



Was this before or after the U.S. Navy used the designation F5D-1 for their prototype fighter (also known as the Skylancer)?
Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:02 pm
Post subject: Re: T-28 & T95

- Jinx
- bsmart
The Air Force got the F-5 for the fighter version of the T-38



Was this before or after the U.S. Navy used the designation F5D-1 for their prototype fighter (also known as the Skylancer)?
The F5D had lost out to the F8U before the 'merger' of designations.

This was one of those 'poliitical decisions'. The F5D Skylancer. was a good fighter and seemed to have as much potential as the F8U Crusader. But Douglas at the time was building the F4D, AD, A3D, A4D, B-66 as well as a thriving Commercial business. Vought had no other business and there was some thought that it got the award to keep business spread around. Several years later the F8U-3 lost out to the F4H-1 and there were claims that with the successful F8U line still chugging along it was time to throw some Buisness in the direction of the struggling McDonnell company

_________________
Bob Smart (bsmart@xecu.net)


Last edited by bsmart on Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:29 pm; edited 2 times in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
JeffStringer
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 637

PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:16 pm
Post subject: Re: T-28 & T95

All this for that little question! Laughing
Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:20 pm
Post subject: Re: T-28 & T95

- JeffStringer
All this for that little question! lol
And when as the small scale of a question ever limited the amount we can stretch the thread Smile

Actually I just found a mistake in my list of Fighters!

The F-7 was not the F7U Cutlass.

Quiz Bonus 2 - What plane became the F-7?

_________________
Bob Smart (bsmart@xecu.net)


Last edited by bsmart on Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:31 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:30 pm
Post subject: Re: T-28 & T95

- Doug_Kibbey

...and the A.F. F110 name for a Phantom was the "Spectre", but Ernst Blofeld put a stop to that with a blackmail scheme involving a satellite equipped with what he called a "Laser"....


...Hey!...where's my extra credit for the F110 bonus question?!
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:35 pm
Post subject: Re: T-28 & T95

- Doug_Kibbey
- Doug_Kibbey

...and the A.F. F110 name for a Phantom was the "Spectre", but Ernst Blofeld put a stop to that with a blackmail scheme involving a satellite equipped with what he called a "Laser"....


...Hey!...where's my extra credit for the F110 bonus question?!
My apologies I didn't see the F110 part of your response when I was scanning the list before leaving work (did you add it to the C-7/C-8 answer later ?)

You get credit for the correct answer for the name Spectre. Also bonus points for the clarification of the Caribou/Buffalo

I'm still looking for the F-6, F-7 and F-10 (The F-7 is a very interesting story)

_________________
Bob Smart (bsmart@xecu.net)


Last edited by bsmart on Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:31 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:49 pm
Post subject: Re: T-28 & T95

- bsmart
- Doug_Kibbey
- Doug_Kibbey

...and the A.F. F110 name for a Phantom was the "Spectre", but Ernst Blofeld put a stop to that with a blackmail scheme involving a satellite equipped with what he called a "Laser"....


...Hey!...where's my extra credit for the F110 bonus question?!
My apologies I didn't see the F110 part of yoiur response when I was scanning the list before leaving work (did you add it to the C-7/C-8 answer later ?)

You get credit for the correct answer for the name Spectre. Also bonus points for the clarification of the Caribou/Buffalo

I'm still looking for the F-6, F-7 and F-10 (The F-7 is a very interesting story)


Yep, about 1 minute later...you were probably already typing while I debated editing, or posting anew (I thought you were busy on the other thread...).

Oh, don't tell the A.F., but I saw a few Mohawks with rockets mounted in "I" Corps, Vietnam at Phu Bai....probably deniably, but they was there. Wink

The F-7 is NOT the F107, is it....that Super Sabre with the intake mounted dorsally over the cockpit (which was ugly as sin, but reportedly a good airplane...but lost out to two engines in the F-4)?
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Jinx
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 186
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:00 pm
Post subject: Re: T-28 & T95

- bsmart
- Jinx
- bsmart
The Air Force got the F-5 for the fighter version of the T-38



Was this before or after the U.S. Navy used the designation F5D-1 for their prototype fighter (also known as the Skylancer)?
The F5D had lost out to the F8U before the 'merger' of designations.



Thank you very much for that.

I could say something about the merits of retiring numbers after they are used (hey, it works in baseball!).....but i doubt it would do any good.

(And i guess that would have led to such designations as the M-14907 Abrams and the B-1661 Lancer.....)


- bsmart
This was one of those 'political decisions'. The F5D Skylancer. was a good fighter and seemed to have as much potential as the F8U Crusader. But Douglas at the time was building the F4D, AD, A3D, A4D, B-66 as well as a thriving Commercial business. Vought had no other business and there was some thought that it got the award to keep business spread around. Several years later the F8U-3 lost out to the F4H-1 and there were claims that with the successful F8U line still chugging along it was time to throw some Buisness in the direction of the struggling McDonnell company



And one could point out that neither McDonnell nor Douglas are still around (except for the bits that are buried in the bowels of Boeing, i mean).

And it looks like the practice of throwing the business around is still being followed, don't you think?

Of course, there aren't nearly so many aircraft manufacturers in the U.S., anymore.....so it makes sense to keep the survivors alive. However they have to do it.
Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:34 am
Post subject: Re: T-28 & T95

"And one could point out that neither McDonnell nor Douglas are still around"

Lets see Vought isn't around, neither is Convair (well I guess as you put it 'buried in the bowels of Lockheed Martin' :-)) Lockheed & Martin have merged (and neither produce airplanes in the location they originally did) Republic is gone, North American disapeared in the bowels of somebody, Northrup & Grumman have merged but are hardly 'aircraft companies' anymore.

_________________
Bob Smart (bsmart@xecu.net)
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:40 am
Post subject: Re: T-28 & T95

Oh, don't tell the A.F., but I saw a few Mohawks with rockets mounted in "I" Corps, Vietnam at Phu Bai....probably deniably, but they was there. Wink

Those were just 'spotting rockets' right Smile to be used to mark the target so the real shooters could attack it I'm sure Smile

The F-7 is NOT the F107, is it....that Super Sabre with the intake mounted dorsally over the cockpit (which was ugly as sin, but reportedly a good airplane...but lost out to two engines in the F-4)?[/quote]

Actually the F-107 lost out to the F-105. Nope, I don't know of any USAF aircraft except the Phantom that were renumbered.

_________________
Bob Smart (bsmart@xecu.net)
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
DCCLarke
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 62

PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:33 am
Post subject: Re: T-28 & T95

Bob, please check your private messages on the board.

Best,
David
Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:40 am
Post subject: Re: T-28 & T95

I posted a list of 'M-numbers' earlier in this thread. I got it from the old list somewhile back (a year or so ago?) Does anyone remember who posted it to the list? Was it you Neil?

The reason I ask is a couple folks have asked if they can take it to other lists. I don't want to claim ownership just because I thought to save it as a text file. So if someone else remembers who posted it I would appreciate their coming forward so the proper compiler can get credit

_________________
Bob Smart (bsmart@xecu.net)
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:57 am
Post subject: Re: T-28 & T95

- bsmart
I posted a list of 'M-numbers' earlier in this thread. I got it from the old list somewhile back (a year or so ago?) Does anyone remember who posted it to the list? Was it you Neil?

The reason I ask is a couple folks have asked if they can take it to other lists. I don't want to claim ownership just because I thought to save it as a text file. So if someone else remembers who posted it I would appreciate their coming forward so the proper compiler can get credit


I can't answer your question, Bob, but I know that list (or one awfully like it) turned up elsewhere tonight when I was searching for something else:

www.mil-veh.org/archiv.../0507.html

BTW, it sure didn't look like 11 pages, single-spaced, until I printed it!
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 2 of 4
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum