±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 818
Total: 818
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Community Forums
03: Photo Gallery
04: Home
05: Photo Gallery
06: Community Forums
07: Home
08: Home
09: Home
10: Home
11: Community Forums
12: Home
13: Community Forums
14: Home
15: Home
16: Member Screenshots
17: Home
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: Community Forums
22: Home
23: Community Forums
24: Home
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: Home
28: Home
29: News
30: Community Forums
31: Community Forums
32: Home
33: Community Forums
34: Photo Gallery
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Community Forums
38: Photo Gallery
39: Downloads
40: Home
41: Community Forums
42: Your Account
43: Community Forums
44: Your Account
45: Photo Gallery
46: Community Forums
47: Photo Gallery
48: Photo Gallery
49: Community Forums
50: Community Forums
51: Photo Gallery
52: Home
53: Community Forums
54: Downloads
55: Photo Gallery
56: Community Forums
57: Home
58: Home
59: Community Forums
60: Photo Gallery
61: Home
62: Community Forums
63: Home
64: Community Forums
65: Home
66: Community Forums
67: Home
68: Home
69: Community Forums
70: Community Forums
71: Community Forums
72: Downloads
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Photo Gallery
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: Photo Gallery
79: Home
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: Member Screenshots
85: Home
86: Home
87: Community Forums
88: Community Forums
89: Member Screenshots
90: Photo Gallery
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Downloads
94: Community Forums
95: Photo Gallery
96: Photo Gallery
97: Community Forums
98: Home
99: Photo Gallery
100: Home
101: Community Forums
102: Community Forums
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: News Archive
106: Home
107: Community Forums
108: Community Forums
109: Community Forums
110: Photo Gallery
111: Community Forums
112: Your Account
113: Home
114: Home
115: Member Screenshots
116: Community Forums
117: Home
118: Home
119: Community Forums
120: Home
121: Home
122: Community Forums
123: Photo Gallery
124: Community Forums
125: Photo Gallery
126: Home
127: Community Forums
128: Downloads
129: Community Forums
130: Community Forums
131: Community Forums
132: Member Screenshots
133: Your Account
134: Community Forums
135: Home
136: Community Forums
137: Home
138: Photo Gallery
139: Community Forums
140: Home
141: Community Forums
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Community Forums
145: Community Forums
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: Community Forums
151: Community Forums
152: Community Forums
153: Statistics
154: Photo Gallery
155: Community Forums
156: Home
157: Community Forums
158: Home
159: Photo Gallery
160: Home
161: Home
162: Home
163: Community Forums
164: Community Forums
165: Community Forums
166: Community Forums
167: CPGlang
168: Community Forums
169: Home
170: Home
171: Photo Gallery
172: Home
173: Community Forums
174: Community Forums
175: Home
176: Community Forums
177: Community Forums
178: Photo Gallery
179: Downloads
180: Community Forums
181: Photo Gallery
182: Photo Gallery
183: Community Forums
184: Home
185: Downloads
186: Downloads
187: Home
188: Home
189: Downloads
190: Community Forums
191: Your Account
192: Photo Gallery
193: Photo Gallery
194: Community Forums
195: News Archive
196: Photo Gallery
197: Photo Gallery
198: Community Forums
199: Community Forums
200: Community Forums
201: Community Forums
202: Community Forums
203: Downloads
204: Community Forums
205: Community Forums
206: Community Forums
207: Statistics
208: Photo Gallery
209: Community Forums
210: Home
211: Photo Gallery
212: Your Account
213: Community Forums
214: Photo Gallery
215: Community Forums
216: Photo Gallery
217: Home
218: News Archive
219: Community Forums
220: Community Forums
221: Community Forums
222: Community Forums
223: Community Forums
224: Community Forums
225: Community Forums
226: Community Forums
227: Home
228: Community Forums
229: Community Forums
230: Community Forums
231: Community Forums
232: Community Forums
233: Community Forums
234: Community Forums
235: Community Forums
236: Community Forums
237: Home
238: Community Forums
239: Photo Gallery
240: Home
241: Home
242: Community Forums
243: Community Forums
244: Community Forums
245: Community Forums
246: Photo Gallery
247: Downloads
248: Member Screenshots
249: Community Forums
250: Your Account
251: Community Forums
252: Photo Gallery
253: Home
254: Home
255: Community Forums
256: Downloads
257: Community Forums
258: Home
259: Community Forums
260: Home
261: Community Forums
262: Community Forums
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Photo Gallery
266: Community Forums
267: Community Forums
268: Home
269: Community Forums
270: Community Forums
271: Community Forums
272: Home
273: Home
274: Community Forums
275: Home
276: Home
277: Downloads
278: Photo Gallery
279: Photo Gallery
280: Your Account
281: Downloads
282: Home
283: Photo Gallery
284: Home
285: Home
286: Community Forums
287: Community Forums
288: Community Forums
289: Community Forums
290: News Archive
291: Community Forums
292: Community Forums
293: Home
294: Community Forums
295: Community Forums
296: Home
297: Photo Gallery
298: Photo Gallery
299: Photo Gallery
300: Community Forums
301: Home
302: CPGlang
303: Home
304: Home
305: Community Forums
306: Community Forums
307: Photo Gallery
308: Home
309: Community Forums
310: Community Forums
311: Community Forums
312: Community Forums
313: Your Account
314: Community Forums
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: Downloads
318: Community Forums
319: Community Forums
320: Community Forums
321: Community Forums
322: Downloads
323: Community Forums
324: Community Forums
325: Community Forums
326: Community Forums
327: Home
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: Home
331: Community Forums
332: Community Forums
333: Community Forums
334: Community Forums
335: Community Forums
336: Community Forums
337: Photo Gallery
338: Community Forums
339: Community Forums
340: Community Forums
341: Home
342: Community Forums
343: Community Forums
344: Home
345: Home
346: Community Forums
347: Community Forums
348: Home
349: Community Forums
350: Community Forums
351: Your Account
352: Community Forums
353: Community Forums
354: Community Forums
355: Downloads
356: Community Forums
357: Community Forums
358: Downloads
359: Downloads
360: Community Forums
361: Community Forums
362: Photo Gallery
363: Community Forums
364: Community Forums
365: Community Forums
366: Downloads
367: Home
368: Photo Gallery
369: Community Forums
370: Home
371: Home
372: Home
373: Community Forums
374: Photo Gallery
375: Home
376: CPGlang
377: Photo Gallery
378: Community Forums
379: CPGlang
380: Photo Gallery
381: Community Forums
382: Community Forums
383: Photo Gallery
384: Community Forums
385: Community Forums
386: Statistics
387: Community Forums
388: Community Forums
389: Community Forums
390: Community Forums
391: Home
392: Community Forums
393: Community Forums
394: Community Forums
395: Community Forums
396: Community Forums
397: Community Forums
398: Community Forums
399: Photo Gallery
400: Photo Gallery
401: Community Forums
402: Photo Gallery
403: Downloads
404: Downloads
405: Photo Gallery
406: Home
407: Community Forums
408: Community Forums
409: News
410: Community Forums
411: Community Forums
412: Community Forums
413: Community Forums
414: Home
415: Home
416: Community Forums
417: Community Forums
418: Home
419: Photo Gallery
420: Community Forums
421: Home
422: Your Account
423: Photo Gallery
424: Community Forums
425: Community Forums
426: Downloads
427: Home
428: Home
429: Photo Gallery
430: Community Forums
431: Community Forums
432: Downloads
433: Home
434: Home
435: Community Forums
436: Community Forums
437: Community Forums
438: Community Forums
439: Community Forums
440: Home
441: Home
442: Home
443: Community Forums
444: Photo Gallery
445: Community Forums
446: Community Forums
447: Community Forums
448: Community Forums
449: Downloads
450: Community Forums
451: Home
452: Home
453: Community Forums
454: Community Forums
455: Photo Gallery
456: News
457: Community Forums
458: Community Forums
459: Downloads
460: Community Forums
461: Home
462: Community Forums
463: Photo Gallery
464: Community Forums
465: CPGlang
466: Community Forums
467: Photo Gallery
468: Community Forums
469: Photo Gallery
470: Community Forums
471: Member Screenshots
472: Photo Gallery
473: Photo Gallery
474: Home
475: Community Forums
476: Community Forums
477: Community Forums
478: Community Forums
479: Community Forums
480: Community Forums
481: Photo Gallery
482: Community Forums
483: Community Forums
484: Downloads
485: Photo Gallery
486: Home
487: Community Forums
488: Photo Gallery
489: Home
490: Community Forums
491: Community Forums
492: Community Forums
493: Community Forums
494: Community Forums
495: Photo Gallery
496: Home
497: Community Forums
498: Downloads
499: Community Forums
500: Home
501: Community Forums
502: Community Forums
503: Community Forums
504: Home
505: Home
506: Community Forums
507: Photo Gallery
508: Downloads
509: Community Forums
510: Community Forums
511: Community Forums
512: Community Forums
513: Photo Gallery
514: Community Forums
515: Home
516: Community Forums
517: Downloads
518: Community Forums
519: Home
520: Community Forums
521: Home
522: Community Forums
523: Home
524: Photo Gallery
525: Home
526: Community Forums
527: Community Forums
528: Community Forums
529: Home
530: Photo Gallery
531: Home
532: Community Forums
533: Community Forums
534: Community Forums
535: Community Forums
536: Home
537: Community Forums
538: Photo Gallery
539: Community Forums
540: Home
541: Home
542: Community Forums
543: Photo Gallery
544: Community Forums
545: Community Forums
546: Community Forums
547: Community Forums
548: Home
549: Community Forums
550: Community Forums
551: Home
552: Photo Gallery
553: Downloads
554: News Archive
555: Community Forums
556: Home
557: Photo Gallery
558: Home
559: Community Forums
560: Community Forums
561: CPGlang
562: Statistics
563: Downloads
564: Community Forums
565: Downloads
566: Community Forums
567: Photo Gallery
568: Photo Gallery
569: Community Forums
570: Home
571: Community Forums
572: Community Forums
573: Your Account
574: Community Forums
575: Community Forums
576: Downloads
577: Home
578: Downloads
579: Home
580: Community Forums
581: Community Forums
582: Community Forums
583: Home
584: Photo Gallery
585: Community Forums
586: Community Forums
587: Home
588: Home
589: Community Forums
590: Community Forums
591: Community Forums
592: Home
593: Community Forums
594: Member Screenshots
595: Community Forums
596: Photo Gallery
597: Home
598: Photo Gallery
599: Community Forums
600: Community Forums
601: Photo Gallery
602: Community Forums
603: Home
604: Community Forums
605: Community Forums
606: Community Forums
607: Community Forums
608: Photo Gallery
609: Community Forums
610: Home
611: Community Forums
612: Community Forums
613: Community Forums
614: Community Forums
615: Photo Gallery
616: Photo Gallery
617: Community Forums
618: Community Forums
619: Community Forums
620: Your Account
621: Community Forums
622: Community Forums
623: Community Forums
624: Photo Gallery
625: Community Forums
626: Community Forums
627: Community Forums
628: Home
629: Home
630: Community Forums
631: Community Forums
632: Home
633: Community Forums
634: Community Forums
635: Home
636: Home
637: Home
638: Community Forums
639: Member Screenshots
640: Community Forums
641: Community Forums
642: CPGlang
643: Photo Gallery
644: Community Forums
645: Community Forums
646: Community Forums
647: Home
648: Community Forums
649: Statistics
650: Community Forums
651: Community Forums
652: Community Forums
653: Community Forums
654: Community Forums
655: Community Forums
656: Community Forums
657: Community Forums
658: Photo Gallery
659: Community Forums
660: Photo Gallery
661: Community Forums
662: Community Forums
663: Home
664: Community Forums
665: Community Forums
666: Community Forums
667: Photo Gallery
668: Photo Gallery
669: Community Forums
670: Home
671: Community Forums
672: Home
673: Home
674: Community Forums
675: Community Forums
676: Community Forums
677: Community Forums
678: Community Forums
679: Community Forums
680: Home
681: Community Forums
682: Community Forums
683: Community Forums
684: Downloads
685: Community Forums
686: Home
687: Community Forums
688: Home
689: Photo Gallery
690: Downloads
691: Community Forums
692: Community Forums
693: Community Forums
694: Photo Gallery
695: Community Forums
696: Your Account
697: Community Forums
698: Community Forums
699: News
700: Community Forums
701: Community Forums
702: Home
703: Photo Gallery
704: Home
705: Community Forums
706: Community Forums
707: Community Forums
708: Photo Gallery
709: Home
710: Community Forums
711: Community Forums
712: Photo Gallery
713: Photo Gallery
714: Community Forums
715: Photo Gallery
716: Community Forums
717: Community Forums
718: Community Forums
719: Community Forums
720: Photo Gallery
721: Your Account
722: Community Forums
723: Community Forums
724: Community Forums
725: Community Forums
726: Home
727: Community Forums
728: Community Forums
729: Community Forums
730: Community Forums
731: Photo Gallery
732: Community Forums
733: Community Forums
734: Your Account
735: Community Forums
736: Home
737: Community Forums
738: Community Forums
739: Community Forums
740: Community Forums
741: Downloads
742: Home
743: Community Forums
744: Community Forums
745: Downloads
746: Home
747: Community Forums
748: Community Forums
749: Community Forums
750: Photo Gallery
751: Community Forums
752: Community Forums
753: Community Forums
754: Community Forums
755: Community Forums
756: Your Account
757: Home
758: Community Forums
759: Community Forums
760: Community Forums
761: Community Forums
762: Your Account
763: Community Forums
764: Community Forums
765: Home
766: Home
767: Community Forums
768: Community Forums
769: Home
770: Community Forums
771: Community Forums
772: Community Forums
773: Community Forums
774: Home
775: Home
776: Community Forums
777: Community Forums
778: Photo Gallery
779: Community Forums
780: Community Forums
781: Home
782: Home
783: Community Forums
784: Photo Gallery
785: Home
786: Home
787: Photo Gallery
788: Community Forums
789: Community Forums
790: Home
791: Home
792: Community Forums
793: Home
794: Community Forums
795: Community Forums
796: Home
797: Home
798: Home
799: Photo Gallery
800: Community Forums
801: Community Forums
802: Community Forums
803: Home
804: Community Forums
805: Photo Gallery
806: Community Forums
807: Statistics
808: Photo Gallery
809: Community Forums
810: Downloads
811: Community Forums
812: Community Forums
813: Home
814: Home
815: Community Forums
816: Community Forums
817: Community Forums
818: Home

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Early WWII US amphibious tanks
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Maple_Leaf_Eh
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 517

PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:49 pm
Post subject: Early WWII US amphibious tanks

Several months ago I started reading "Panzer Operations, the Eastern Front Memoir of General (Erhard) Raus, 1941-1945", compiled by Steven Newton (2003).

He started WWI as a platoon leader, and ended as battalion commander. He stayed in the Austrian army between the wars, and eventually rose to be one of the most experienced German tank officers of WWII. The fact he was in almost constant contact from Barbarossa to the surrender in Berlin speaks to his adaptability and successes. He was extensively interviewed post-war, although reportedly he was poorly translated which confused some of his legacy.

The part I wanted to ask this forum was he mentions encountering up to 12 Russian-manned American-made amphibious tanks as his troops were 'bulling' their way forward paralleling the Baltic coast towards Leningrad on 12 July 1941. What could they have been?
Back to top
View user's profile
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:44 pm
Post subject: Re: Early WWII US amphibious tanks

Hi Maple! Hi Folks!

- Maple_Leaf_Eh

"Panzer Operations, the Eastern Front Memoir of General (Erhard) Raus, 1941-1945", compiled by Steven Newton (2003).

He was extensively interviewed post-war, although reportedly he was poorly translated which confused some of his legacy.

The part I wanted to ask this forum was he mentions encountering up to 12 Russian-manned American-made amphibious tanks as his troops were 'bulling' their way forward paralleling the Baltic coast towards Leningrad on 12 July 1941. What could they have been?


July 1941? American made amphibious tanks in July 1941? In Russia?

Could the Soviets have had some of Walter Christie's designs? Something like the type he tried to sell to the U.S.M.C in the mid 1920s. There is a photo in Kenneth W. Estes' book "Marines Under Armor". The second page of photos, which are between pages 106 and 107, has a photo of a Christie amphibious tank (really a tracked 75mm gun) making an admin landing on Culebra Island in 1924 (U.S. Naval Institute photo).

Maybe something new for the history books? Shocked
Sgt, Scouts out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Maple_Leaf_Eh
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 517

PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:15 pm
Post subject: Re: Early WWII US amphibious tanks

That is the only sort of thing that I could surmise. The well known M series tanks weren't amphibs, so the Christie series were the only obvious alternative.
Back to top
View user's profile
Cloudy
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 06, 2006
Posts: 75

PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:04 am
Post subject: Re: Early WWII US amphibious tanks

Perhaps he confused the T-37/38 light amphibious tanks with the American "Combat Car" or M2 series vehicles which they broadly resemble - although they would rather unlikely be sailing along the Baltic coast at any time...
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:09 am
Post subject: Re: Early WWII US amphibious tanks

Perhaps PT-1A amphibious tanks, a variant of the Christie BT-series tanks?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT_tank

BTW, the account recounted above says they were encountered while paralleling the Baltic coast - not they they were necessarily IN the Baltic...


Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Maple_Leaf_Eh
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 517

PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 2:01 am
Post subject: Re: Early WWII US amphibious tanks

p48 of above cited book, starting midparagraph, "The day long struggle against the swamp, caused by the accuracy of the available maps and the lack of engineer equipment prevented us from attacking near Novoselye on 11 July.

Next morning, our advance detachment attacked the flank of the Russian forces guarding the highway, whose presence south of a small swampy stream had been reported the day before. After a short sharp engagement, including a tank fight, we threw the flank guard back across the river. American amphibious tanks made their first appearance on the Russian front in this action. Six of them fell victim to our antitank and panzer fire at close range from a wooded area - three knocked out on land and three while crossing the small stream. The first German troops to gain the northern bank seized two of them that were still serviceable. [[Oops, I miscounted in my first posting saying there were at least 12.]]

The six foot deep stream was not fordable, so our engineers again had to construct a bridge for the Kampfgruppe's main body."

The map in the book shows this action to be in ESTONIA south of the LUGA RIVER, which is south of LENINGRAD, and between LAKE PEIPUS on the west and LAKE ILMEN on the east.

This battlegroup was panzer in only a small part. The majority of their some 60 tanks were Czech 38Ts with a few Pz IIs. Other parts of the division had similar lightweight vehicles except with a few Pz IIIs and a few IVs in the fourth tank company of the tank battalions.

Further to the post above, I poked around Wikipedia and found this reference, but it is definately a Russian amphibious scout tank, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-40 .
Back to top
View user's profile
Sabot
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 380
Location: Kentucky
PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:09 pm
Post subject: Re: Early WWII US amphibious tanks

Did the Soviets get any of the LVT variants through lend-lease? If so, perhaps it was one of those Amtracs like the Buffalo or Alligator.

_________________
RobG
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 4:51 pm
Post subject: Re: Early WWII US amphibious tanks

Hi Sobot! Hi Folks!

- Sabot

Did the Soviets get any of the LVT variants through lend-lease? If so, perhaps it was one of those Amtracs like the Buffalo or Alligator.


I would think the date, July 1941, would have been a bit to early for any of those AFVs to have been in Soviet hands.

Anyone know when lend-lease started flowing to the Soviets?

Anyone know when the first Buffalo or Alligator designs where completed.?
I check all my books all I found was 'most' were used in the PTO.

I think Neil maybe on to something with his post.
"Perhaps PT-1A amphibious tanks, a variant of the Christie BT-series tanks?"

It is my understanding that the German's consisted the BT-series fast tanks as "American" tanks.

Interesting. Confused
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Cloudy
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Mar 06, 2006
Posts: 75

PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 5:09 am
Post subject: Re: Early WWII US amphibious tanks

- Neil_Baumgardner

BTW, the account recounted above says they were encountered while paralleling the Baltic coast - not they they were necessarily IN the Baltic...
Neil

D'oh! Nothing like superficial reading...

Alan
Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum