±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 808
Total: 808
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Your Account
02: Member Screenshots
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: Home
06: Home
07: Photo Gallery
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Home
11: Home
12: Community Forums
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Member Screenshots
18: Photo Gallery
19: Home
20: Photo Gallery
21: Member Screenshots
22: Photo Gallery
23: Downloads
24: Statistics
25: Downloads
26: News Archive
27: Downloads
28: Photo Gallery
29: Home
30: Community Forums
31: Home
32: Community Forums
33: Home
34: Community Forums
35: Community Forums
36: Your Account
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Home
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Photo Gallery
46: News
47: Community Forums
48: Downloads
49: Community Forums
50: Community Forums
51: Photo Gallery
52: Home
53: News Archive
54: Community Forums
55: Photo Gallery
56: Home
57: Community Forums
58: Downloads
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Photo Gallery
63: Community Forums
64: Photo Gallery
65: Home
66: Community Forums
67: Downloads
68: Photo Gallery
69: Photo Gallery
70: CPGlang
71: Downloads
72: Photo Gallery
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Photo Gallery
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: Downloads
79: Home
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: Community Forums
85: Community Forums
86: Community Forums
87: Community Forums
88: Community Forums
89: Community Forums
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: Photo Gallery
96: Community Forums
97: Community Forums
98: Downloads
99: Community Forums
100: Community Forums
101: Home
102: Community Forums
103: Photo Gallery
104: Community Forums
105: Photo Gallery
106: Community Forums
107: Photo Gallery
108: Photo Gallery
109: Photo Gallery
110: Community Forums
111: Community Forums
112: Community Forums
113: Photo Gallery
114: Community Forums
115: Downloads
116: Community Forums
117: Community Forums
118: CPGlang
119: Home
120: Community Forums
121: Photo Gallery
122: Member Screenshots
123: CPGlang
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Downloads
127: Community Forums
128: Community Forums
129: Photo Gallery
130: Photo Gallery
131: Photo Gallery
132: Community Forums
133: Home
134: Community Forums
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: Community Forums
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Community Forums
143: Community Forums
144: Community Forums
145: Community Forums
146: Downloads
147: Photo Gallery
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: Your Account
151: Community Forums
152: Photo Gallery
153: Downloads
154: Photo Gallery
155: Community Forums
156: Community Forums
157: Community Forums
158: Photo Gallery
159: Community Forums
160: Downloads
161: Community Forums
162: Community Forums
163: Community Forums
164: Community Forums
165: CPGlang
166: CPGlang
167: Community Forums
168: Photo Gallery
169: Statistics
170: Community Forums
171: Community Forums
172: Statistics
173: Photo Gallery
174: Home
175: Downloads
176: Home
177: Community Forums
178: Downloads
179: Community Forums
180: Community Forums
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: Photo Gallery
184: Community Forums
185: Community Forums
186: Downloads
187: Community Forums
188: Community Forums
189: Community Forums
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: Community Forums
193: Home
194: Community Forums
195: Downloads
196: Photo Gallery
197: Community Forums
198: Photo Gallery
199: Community Forums
200: Home
201: Community Forums
202: Community Forums
203: Home
204: Community Forums
205: Downloads
206: Photo Gallery
207: Community Forums
208: CPGlang
209: Downloads
210: Community Forums
211: Photo Gallery
212: Community Forums
213: Your Account
214: Community Forums
215: Photo Gallery
216: Photo Gallery
217: CPGlang
218: Photo Gallery
219: Community Forums
220: Community Forums
221: Home
222: Downloads
223: Statistics
224: Photo Gallery
225: Community Forums
226: Downloads
227: CPGlang
228: News Archive
229: Photo Gallery
230: Community Forums
231: Community Forums
232: Downloads
233: Community Forums
234: Community Forums
235: Home
236: Photo Gallery
237: CPGlang
238: Community Forums
239: CPGlang
240: Community Forums
241: Photo Gallery
242: Community Forums
243: Community Forums
244: Community Forums
245: Photo Gallery
246: Community Forums
247: Home
248: Community Forums
249: Community Forums
250: Photo Gallery
251: Community Forums
252: Community Forums
253: Community Forums
254: Home
255: Downloads
256: Community Forums
257: Community Forums
258: Community Forums
259: Community Forums
260: Photo Gallery
261: Community Forums
262: Community Forums
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Member Screenshots
266: Home
267: Photo Gallery
268: Community Forums
269: Community Forums
270: Community Forums
271: Community Forums
272: Community Forums
273: Community Forums
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: News
280: Community Forums
281: Community Forums
282: Community Forums
283: Community Forums
284: Community Forums
285: Photo Gallery
286: Home
287: Member Screenshots
288: Community Forums
289: Statistics
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Home
293: Community Forums
294: Photo Gallery
295: Photo Gallery
296: Downloads
297: Community Forums
298: Home
299: CPGlang
300: Photo Gallery
301: Member Screenshots
302: Community Forums
303: Photo Gallery
304: Community Forums
305: Community Forums
306: Downloads
307: Community Forums
308: Downloads
309: Community Forums
310: Community Forums
311: Member Screenshots
312: Community Forums
313: Community Forums
314: Home
315: Community Forums
316: Photo Gallery
317: Community Forums
318: Community Forums
319: Community Forums
320: Community Forums
321: CPGlang
322: Home
323: Photo Gallery
324: Statistics
325: Community Forums
326: Community Forums
327: Community Forums
328: Downloads
329: Home
330: Community Forums
331: Community Forums
332: Community Forums
333: Community Forums
334: Community Forums
335: Community Forums
336: Community Forums
337: Community Forums
338: Downloads
339: Community Forums
340: CPGlang
341: Community Forums
342: Photo Gallery
343: Community Forums
344: Community Forums
345: Community Forums
346: Community Forums
347: Downloads
348: Community Forums
349: Community Forums
350: Community Forums
351: Community Forums
352: Community Forums
353: Photo Gallery
354: Photo Gallery
355: Home
356: Home
357: Community Forums
358: Community Forums
359: Downloads
360: Community Forums
361: Photo Gallery
362: Community Forums
363: Community Forums
364: Community Forums
365: Community Forums
366: Community Forums
367: Community Forums
368: Search
369: Community Forums
370: Photo Gallery
371: Home
372: Photo Gallery
373: Home
374: Community Forums
375: Community Forums
376: Community Forums
377: Community Forums
378: Community Forums
379: Home
380: Community Forums
381: Community Forums
382: Community Forums
383: Community Forums
384: Community Forums
385: Community Forums
386: Community Forums
387: Downloads
388: Downloads
389: Community Forums
390: Community Forums
391: Community Forums
392: Member Screenshots
393: CPGlang
394: Your Account
395: Community Forums
396: Your Account
397: Member Screenshots
398: Downloads
399: Community Forums
400: Community Forums
401: Photo Gallery
402: CPGlang
403: Community Forums
404: Community Forums
405: Photo Gallery
406: Downloads
407: Community Forums
408: Photo Gallery
409: Downloads
410: Home
411: Photo Gallery
412: CPGlang
413: Community Forums
414: Community Forums
415: Community Forums
416: Photo Gallery
417: Downloads
418: Community Forums
419: Community Forums
420: Photo Gallery
421: Photo Gallery
422: Community Forums
423: Downloads
424: Community Forums
425: Community Forums
426: CPGlang
427: Community Forums
428: Community Forums
429: Community Forums
430: Downloads
431: Community Forums
432: Photo Gallery
433: Downloads
434: Community Forums
435: Community Forums
436: Community Forums
437: Home
438: Community Forums
439: Home
440: Community Forums
441: Photo Gallery
442: News
443: Community Forums
444: Community Forums
445: Community Forums
446: Community Forums
447: Community Forums
448: Home
449: Home
450: Home
451: Community Forums
452: Photo Gallery
453: Photo Gallery
454: Community Forums
455: Community Forums
456: Photo Gallery
457: Photo Gallery
458: Downloads
459: Downloads
460: Community Forums
461: CPGlang
462: Photo Gallery
463: Community Forums
464: Community Forums
465: Home
466: Community Forums
467: Photo Gallery
468: Community Forums
469: Home
470: Community Forums
471: Home
472: Community Forums
473: Community Forums
474: Photo Gallery
475: Community Forums
476: Home
477: Community Forums
478: Photo Gallery
479: Downloads
480: CPGlang
481: Community Forums
482: Home
483: News Archive
484: Photo Gallery
485: Home
486: Community Forums
487: Community Forums
488: Community Forums
489: News
490: Community Forums
491: Community Forums
492: Community Forums
493: Community Forums
494: Photo Gallery
495: Community Forums
496: Home
497: Community Forums
498: Community Forums
499: Photo Gallery
500: Community Forums
501: Community Forums
502: Photo Gallery
503: Community Forums
504: Community Forums
505: Community Forums
506: Community Forums
507: Your Account
508: Your Account
509: Community Forums
510: Downloads
511: Downloads
512: Community Forums
513: Photo Gallery
514: Community Forums
515: Photo Gallery
516: Community Forums
517: Downloads
518: Community Forums
519: Downloads
520: Home
521: Downloads
522: CPGlang
523: Community Forums
524: Home
525: Photo Gallery
526: Photo Gallery
527: Community Forums
528: Community Forums
529: Community Forums
530: Community Forums
531: Community Forums
532: Statistics
533: Community Forums
534: Community Forums
535: Community Forums
536: Home
537: Community Forums
538: Community Forums
539: Home
540: Community Forums
541: Community Forums
542: Community Forums
543: Home
544: Community Forums
545: Community Forums
546: Home
547: Community Forums
548: Community Forums
549: Photo Gallery
550: Home
551: Community Forums
552: Community Forums
553: Community Forums
554: Home
555: Home
556: Photo Gallery
557: Home
558: Photo Gallery
559: Your Account
560: Downloads
561: Photo Gallery
562: Community Forums
563: Community Forums
564: Community Forums
565: CPGlang
566: Community Forums
567: Home
568: Community Forums
569: Community Forums
570: Community Forums
571: Community Forums
572: Downloads
573: Community Forums
574: Community Forums
575: Community Forums
576: Community Forums
577: Photo Gallery
578: Photo Gallery
579: Home
580: Your Account
581: Statistics
582: Community Forums
583: Community Forums
584: Home
585: Community Forums
586: Home
587: Community Forums
588: Downloads
589: Downloads
590: Community Forums
591: Community Forums
592: Community Forums
593: Community Forums
594: Community Forums
595: CPGlang
596: Community Forums
597: Home
598: Home
599: Community Forums
600: Community Forums
601: Photo Gallery
602: Your Account
603: Community Forums
604: Photo Gallery
605: CPGlang
606: Community Forums
607: Community Forums
608: Community Forums
609: Downloads
610: Photo Gallery
611: Community Forums
612: Home
613: Community Forums
614: Downloads
615: Community Forums
616: Community Forums
617: Community Forums
618: Community Forums
619: Community Forums
620: Community Forums
621: Photo Gallery
622: Home
623: Community Forums
624: Home
625: Home
626: Home
627: Community Forums
628: Member Screenshots
629: Contact
630: Community Forums
631: Community Forums
632: Community Forums
633: Community Forums
634: Community Forums
635: Community Forums
636: Photo Gallery
637: News
638: Home
639: Photo Gallery
640: Community Forums
641: Community Forums
642: Community Forums
643: Photo Gallery
644: Community Forums
645: Community Forums
646: Community Forums
647: Community Forums
648: Community Forums
649: Photo Gallery
650: Photo Gallery
651: Photo Gallery
652: Community Forums
653: Community Forums
654: Community Forums
655: Community Forums
656: CPGlang
657: Photo Gallery
658: Community Forums
659: Downloads
660: Photo Gallery
661: Community Forums
662: Community Forums
663: Community Forums
664: Community Forums
665: Downloads
666: Photo Gallery
667: Community Forums
668: Community Forums
669: Community Forums
670: Home
671: Photo Gallery
672: Community Forums
673: Photo Gallery
674: Community Forums
675: Community Forums
676: Community Forums
677: Community Forums
678: Community Forums
679: Photo Gallery
680: Community Forums
681: Downloads
682: Community Forums
683: Community Forums
684: Community Forums
685: Community Forums
686: Community Forums
687: Community Forums
688: Community Forums
689: Home
690: Community Forums
691: Home
692: Community Forums
693: Downloads
694: Photo Gallery
695: Downloads
696: Community Forums
697: News Archive
698: Community Forums
699: Community Forums
700: Community Forums
701: Member Screenshots
702: Photo Gallery
703: Community Forums
704: Community Forums
705: Community Forums
706: CPGlang
707: Community Forums
708: Community Forums
709: Home
710: Community Forums
711: Photo Gallery
712: Downloads
713: Community Forums
714: Community Forums
715: Community Forums
716: Home
717: Photo Gallery
718: Community Forums
719: Community Forums
720: Community Forums
721: Community Forums
722: Your Account
723: Photo Gallery
724: Community Forums
725: Community Forums
726: Community Forums
727: CPGlang
728: Community Forums
729: Downloads
730: Community Forums
731: Community Forums
732: Downloads
733: Community Forums
734: Community Forums
735: CPGlang
736: News Archive
737: Community Forums
738: Home
739: Photo Gallery
740: Community Forums
741: Community Forums
742: Community Forums
743: Photo Gallery
744: Community Forums
745: Community Forums
746: Community Forums
747: Community Forums
748: Community Forums
749: Community Forums
750: Community Forums
751: Home
752: Photo Gallery
753: Home
754: Statistics
755: Community Forums
756: Community Forums
757: Community Forums
758: Statistics
759: Community Forums
760: Community Forums
761: Photo Gallery
762: Community Forums
763: Member Screenshots
764: Community Forums
765: Home
766: Community Forums
767: CPGlang
768: Community Forums
769: CPGlang
770: Community Forums
771: Community Forums
772: Community Forums
773: Community Forums
774: Community Forums
775: Community Forums
776: Community Forums
777: CPGlang
778: Community Forums
779: Your Account
780: Community Forums
781: Community Forums
782: Community Forums
783: Community Forums
784: Home
785: Community Forums
786: Community Forums
787: Community Forums
788: Community Forums
789: Photo Gallery
790: Home
791: Community Forums
792: Community Forums
793: Photo Gallery
794: Community Forums
795: Home
796: Community Forums
797: Home
798: Community Forums
799: Community Forums
800: CPGlang
801: Photo Gallery
802: Community Forums
803: Photo Gallery
804: Downloads
805: Photo Gallery
806: Downloads
807: Community Forums
808: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
AFV Quiz of the Day: Mystery Movie Halftrack
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Dubliner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 94

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:02 am
Post subject: AFV Quiz of the Day: Mystery Movie Halftrack

Today's Quiz...

Was the vehicle below a Hollywood VISMOD (based on an existing chassis) or a purpose built studio Sdfz 251 replica?

The image is a screen shot from "Force 10 from Navarone" (1978) but it was also used in "A Bridge Too Far"(1977).

Back to top
View user's profile
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:05 am
Post subject: Re: AFV Quiz of the Day: Mystery Movie Halftrack

I'ld guess that it is the Czech version (OT-810? from memory) that has shown up in recent years instead of M-3s with black crosses on them (ala Rat Patrol)

_________________
Bob Smart (bsmart@xecu.net)
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Dubliner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 94

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:31 am
Post subject: Re: AFV Quiz of the Day: Mystery Movie Halftrack

Extra credit if you correctly guess the current location of this prop....
Back to top
View user's profile
Dubliner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 94

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:49 am
Post subject: Re: AFV Quiz of the Day: Mystery Movie Halftrack

Sorry Bob.... its not an OT-810. In 1977/78, all the OT-810s were still in Warsaw Pact service.

Most of "Force 10" was filmed in Yugoslavia. The JLA supplied the “German� T-34/85s and M3/M5 halftrack with a mockup quad-flak mount, also seen in “Cross of Iron� (1977). The scene shown in the post above was not shot in Yugoslavia.

See below for a front view of the mystery halftrack...

Back to top
View user's profile
SHAWN
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
Posts: 484

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:14 am
Post subject: Re: AFV Quiz of the Day: Mystery Movie Halftrack

the same shots from Force 10, it isnt a German 251.
so you are saying a studio made it dubliner?
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
SHAWN
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
Posts: 484

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:16 am
Post subject: Re: AFV Quiz of the Day: Mystery Movie Halftrack

a few shots of the tracks from ABTF...
same vehicle used for both films dubliner?

Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Dubliner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 94

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:13 pm
Post subject: Re: AFV Quiz of the Day: Mystery Movie Halftrack

Shawn,

Thanks for posting the photos from "A Bridge Too Far." To answer your question, the prop was used in both movies.

I guess, I need to give another hint for this quiz. The vehicle in question is still around, but its appearance has been altered. If you been around for while you have most likely seen pictures of this vehicle in its present form on this or other AFV forums.
Back to top
View user's profile
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:39 pm
Post subject: Re: AFV Quiz of the Day: Mystery Movie Halftrack

Hi Folks!

Interesting Confused

It is NOT a WW II German 250 or 251 vehicle.
It is NOT a post war OT 810.

Why?
The 250, 251, and OT810 used three sets of over lapping road wheels with an idler wheel. That vehicle has four road wheels in line with the four road wheel acting as an idler.

The 250, 251, and OT810 used a type of track block with a center line set of drive teeth.
That vehicle has a double set of guides that run along the outside edge of the road wheels. Something like the track block see on the British Universal Carriers.

Check out that hub on the sprocket. It is way to big and sticks out way to far to be a German halftrack. That sprocket reminds me of the type found on the British Universal Carriers.

I think somebody took a number of parts from different AFVs along with some sheel metal and build up a vehicle that a quick glance would pass for a German 251.

My 2 cents. Razz
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
SHAWN
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
Posts: 484

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:28 pm
Post subject: Re: AFV Quiz of the Day: Mystery Movie Halftrack

besides what roy pointed out, if you look at the frame and body, they dont look quite right. the vehicle is too wide, the engine deck it too high, the angles arent quite the same. it worked for the movie so hey...
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Dubliner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 94

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:44 pm
Post subject: Re: AFV Quiz of the Day: Mystery Movie Halftrack

Roy and Shawn are right...the vehicle is a real Frankenstein monster.

Roy, you are right about the track and drive sprocket. The vehicle was built by marring a truck frame with the chassis of a Universal Carrier. The running gear of the Universal Carrier was significantly altered for the vehicles first incarnation as an Sdfz 251, only the track and drive sprocket remained unchanged. At some point the running gear was restored to its original configuration, but that’s when significant changes were made to the vehicle’s body in order to represent another type of German halftrack.

So the first part of the quiz has been answered.

Now on to part II of the quiz.

Does anybody have guess as regards to the current configuration of this vehicle and its current location?
Back to top
View user's profile
SHAWN
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
Posts: 484

PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:23 pm
Post subject: Re: AFV Quiz of the Day: Mystery Movie Halftrack

has it been used recently in any films, etc.?
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Dubliner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 94

PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:00 am
Post subject: Re: AFV Quiz of the Day: Mystery Movie Halftrack

Hi Shawn,

The vehicle is on static display at a museum in the States, and in its current configuration it has been the bane of a number of German AFV purists.
Back to top
View user's profile
Andre_Flener
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 26, 2006
Posts: 17
Location: G.D. of Luxembourg
PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:41 pm
Post subject: Re: AFV Quiz of the Day: Mystery Movie Halftrack

Hi Dubliner,

well, I guess it's now 'representing' [!] either the FORD MAULTIER or the OPEL NEBELWERFER on display at the "WWII Victory Museum" in Auburn, IN:





(Source of both pix: panzergrendel's album)

I already saw both semitracks (the normal OPEL Maultier also included) at the defunct "Victory Memorial Museum" in Arlon, Belgium, where some doubts about their true origins were existing yet...

Dubliner, from which source did you learn that fact? And did I win, and what? Wink

Regards,
André Flener
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Andre_Flener
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 26, 2006
Posts: 17
Location: G.D. of Luxembourg
PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:56 pm
Post subject: Re: AFV Quiz of the Day: Mystery Movie Halftrack

Small update/correction:

Apparently, the normal Opel Maultier (another not entirely correct recreation - look at the lower door corners...) made it 'over the Atlantic' as well:


(Belgium)


(USA)

So that would be my third guess.

Regards,
André Flener
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website
SHAWN
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
Posts: 484

PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:28 pm
Post subject: Re: AFV Quiz of the Day: Mystery Movie Halftrack

hello, thanks andre. i was thinking it was more along the lines of the other one that the museum has, the panzerwerfer 42 thingy that they have. the cab and hood, etc look to be the same as the movies still. they have more than two "maultiers". i was there in 2003 when they first unloaded most of that stuff... i havent been able to get back since. either they have a third one or they have repainted the gray one to the khakhi. they have alot of vismod stuff, or stuff that had been worked on if you will.
they didnt have them on display, but i got to see them, they had 2 of the mercedes touring car/trucks that had belonged to someone in the nazi party. they have them displayed now correct? one belonged to Goering, no? i really need to get back to the museum...
shawn
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum