±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 327
Total: 327
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Community Forums
03: News
04: Downloads
05: Community Forums
06: Photo Gallery
07: Community Forums
08: Community Forums
09: Community Forums
10: Community Forums
11: Downloads
12: Community Forums
13: Community Forums
14: Home
15: Member Screenshots
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: Photo Gallery
21: News Archive
22: Community Forums
23: Photo Gallery
24: Community Forums
25: Community Forums
26: Community Forums
27: Photo Gallery
28: Photo Gallery
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Photo Gallery
32: Home
33: Community Forums
34: Community Forums
35: Community Forums
36: Home
37: Community Forums
38: Member Screenshots
39: Community Forums
40: Community Forums
41: Home
42: Community Forums
43: Community Forums
44: Photo Gallery
45: Community Forums
46: Photo Gallery
47: Home
48: Community Forums
49: Community Forums
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Community Forums
53: Community Forums
54: Photo Gallery
55: Community Forums
56: Community Forums
57: Community Forums
58: Community Forums
59: Photo Gallery
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Photo Gallery
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: CPGlang
67: Community Forums
68: Photo Gallery
69: Community Forums
70: Member Screenshots
71: Home
72: Community Forums
73: Photo Gallery
74: Photo Gallery
75: Community Forums
76: Photo Gallery
77: Photo Gallery
78: Photo Gallery
79: Community Forums
80: Home
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Community Forums
84: Photo Gallery
85: Downloads
86: Home
87: Community Forums
88: Community Forums
89: Photo Gallery
90: Community Forums
91: Community Forums
92: Community Forums
93: Community Forums
94: Community Forums
95: Downloads
96: Community Forums
97: Community Forums
98: Community Forums
99: Community Forums
100: Downloads
101: Community Forums
102: Home
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: Community Forums
106: Community Forums
107: Community Forums
108: Community Forums
109: Photo Gallery
110: Community Forums
111: Photo Gallery
112: Community Forums
113: Photo Gallery
114: Home
115: Home
116: Community Forums
117: Photo Gallery
118: CPGlang
119: CPGlang
120: Community Forums
121: Community Forums
122: Community Forums
123: Community Forums
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Photo Gallery
128: Community Forums
129: Downloads
130: Home
131: Community Forums
132: Community Forums
133: Community Forums
134: Photo Gallery
135: Downloads
136: Community Forums
137: Community Forums
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Community Forums
143: Photo Gallery
144: Photo Gallery
145: Community Forums
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Home
149: Home
150: Photo Gallery
151: Community Forums
152: Community Forums
153: Photo Gallery
154: CPGlang
155: Community Forums
156: Photo Gallery
157: Community Forums
158: Community Forums
159: Community Forums
160: Community Forums
161: Community Forums
162: Community Forums
163: Community Forums
164: Home
165: CPGlang
166: Community Forums
167: CPGlang
168: Community Forums
169: Community Forums
170: Community Forums
171: CPGlang
172: Community Forums
173: Photo Gallery
174: Community Forums
175: Community Forums
176: Community Forums
177: Community Forums
178: Community Forums
179: Community Forums
180: Community Forums
181: News Archive
182: Community Forums
183: Photo Gallery
184: Your Account
185: Member Screenshots
186: Photo Gallery
187: Photo Gallery
188: Community Forums
189: Community Forums
190: Member Screenshots
191: Member Screenshots
192: Community Forums
193: Downloads
194: Community Forums
195: Community Forums
196: Home
197: Community Forums
198: Photo Gallery
199: Community Forums
200: Photo Gallery
201: Community Forums
202: Photo Gallery
203: Photo Gallery
204: Community Forums
205: Photo Gallery
206: Home
207: Community Forums
208: Community Forums
209: Photo Gallery
210: Home
211: Community Forums
212: Your Account
213: Community Forums
214: Your Account
215: Community Forums
216: Community Forums
217: Home
218: Community Forums
219: Community Forums
220: Photo Gallery
221: Community Forums
222: Photo Gallery
223: CPGlang
224: Home
225: Your Account
226: News
227: Community Forums
228: Photo Gallery
229: Member Screenshots
230: Photo Gallery
231: Home
232: Community Forums
233: Community Forums
234: Community Forums
235: Community Forums
236: Community Forums
237: Community Forums
238: Community Forums
239: Community Forums
240: Home
241: Downloads
242: Downloads
243: Home
244: Photo Gallery
245: Home
246: Community Forums
247: Community Forums
248: Home
249: Community Forums
250: Community Forums
251: Home
252: Community Forums
253: Community Forums
254: Downloads
255: Community Forums
256: News Archive
257: Photo Gallery
258: Photo Gallery
259: Home
260: Community Forums
261: Community Forums
262: CPGlang
263: Home
264: Photo Gallery
265: Community Forums
266: Community Forums
267: Community Forums
268: Downloads
269: Home
270: News
271: Community Forums
272: Community Forums
273: Community Forums
274: Home
275: Community Forums
276: Home
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: Community Forums
280: Community Forums
281: Community Forums
282: Community Forums
283: Photo Gallery
284: Community Forums
285: Community Forums
286: Photo Gallery
287: Downloads
288: Community Forums
289: Home
290: Community Forums
291: Downloads
292: Community Forums
293: Downloads
294: Home
295: Downloads
296: Community Forums
297: Community Forums
298: Photo Gallery
299: Community Forums
300: Community Forums
301: Community Forums
302: Home
303: Home
304: Photo Gallery
305: Community Forums
306: Community Forums
307: Photo Gallery
308: Photo Gallery
309: Community Forums
310: Home
311: Community Forums
312: Home
313: Community Forums
314: Community Forums
315: Community Forums
316: Community Forums
317: Community Forums
318: Community Forums
319: CPGlang
320: Community Forums
321: Community Forums
322: Community Forums
323: Home
324: Your Account
325: Community Forums
326: Community Forums
327: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Airship aviation in FSX, RED Tent rescue! :: Archived
A forum for Microsoft's Flight Simulator X
Post new topic    Revive this topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  FSX

Topic Archived View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Adrian_Wainer
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jun 03, 2006
Posts: 255

PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:49 pm
Post subject: Airship aviation in FSX, RED Tent rescue!

With all the known performance issues in FSX, flying airships, E.G. on historical exploration missions, would make perfect sense in that these babys can't go very fast and they give you the opportunity to see what FSX can do in the graphics dept! The "Red Tent" Rescue would also make a fascinating role play in FSX/FS2004.


SOS Italia. Nobile. Sui ghiacci presso l’isola di Foyn, nord-est Spitzbergen, latitudine 80°37’, longitudine 26°50’ est di Greenwich. Impossibile muoversi mancando di slitte e evendo due feriti. Dirigibile perduto in altra località . Rispondere via IDO 32.




The Norge and Italia Airships

wikipedia.kataweb.it/w...irigibile)

www.earlyaviators.com/ebazzan2.htm

The crash of the airship Italia

members.tripod.com/90n...crash1.htm

www.south-pole.com/aspp015.htm

www.radiomarconi.com/m...index.html

www.radiomarconi.com/m...biagi.html

it.wikipedia.org/wiki/...irigibile)

the above would make a superb scenario to recreate in FSX or FS2004 with the search for survivors of the Italia.

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer

PS If you haven't seen the Film "The Red Tent" you are in for a treat if you get an opportunity to do so.


Since viewing this film 35 years ago I have been in awe of it, it is certainly my all-time favorite and would most likely get my nomination for best film ever. On this point I probably stand in splendid isolation (or to quote Finn Malmgren: "emptiness, loneliness, beauty, and purity"). I mention this in the hope that this will encourage readers to view the film. If you are seeking a comparison, "Krasnaya Palatka" ("The Red Tent") is most like the original "Flight of the Phoenix"; both are superficially action adventure films, with deep allegorical elements about the dynamics behind the functioning of a civilized society. "The Red Tent" even gets a little philosophical along the lines of life as a journey and not a destination.

This is Director Mikheil Kalatozishvili's tribute to Sergei Eisenstein, a disorienting yet organized montage of vast scale juxtaposed with claustrophobic confinement (its worth watching again just to focus on the scene transitions-the editing is brilliant). The scenes inside the dirigible and the red tent (the title character) are carefully cut into spectacular exterior shots of arctic landscapes and the dynamic energy of crowds in the Russian countryside and city.

There is a fusion of European expressionism with Hollywood realism in this film unlike anything I have ever seen before. This is possible because of the storytelling device of having everything unfold in flashbacks by the main character General Nobile (Peter Finch). Nobile was the organizer and commander of Italy's ill-fated attempt to reach the North Pole by dirigible. This generally true (certain historical liberties are taken to simplify things) story is told entirely from his point of view.

Forty years after the expedition Nobile is a disgraced figure living in Rome and burdened by guilt and sleeplessness. You learn that on sleepless nights he conjures up participants in the expedition fiasco (both members and rescuers), letting them judge him for his actions 40 years ago. These sessions have been largely inconclusive but this night he pulls out all stops and convenes a full trial in his living room-with almost all the central figures present. More importantly, for the first time he names the ruthless Lundborg (Hardy Kruger) as his prosecutor-a move that Lundborg assures him will mean that the jury will reach a verdict for the first time. These are not ghosts but rather figments of Nobile's imagination and they behave according to his perception of how they would behave.

This storytelling device allows the film to have its own commentary, making it not just an exciting adventure film with wonderful visuals, but an examination of the concept of leadership (much like "Command Decision", "A Gathering of Eagles", and "They Came to Cordura"). More importantly it becomes an allegorical study about free will and destiny, as careful planning and good judgment are just two factors in any complex operation; subject to luck and unforeseen events.

The many characters are a representative cross section of society; with heroes, opportunists, martinets, dreamers, and average Joes. Ultimately, things happen (both good and bad) not because of the challenge of man versus nature, but because of the placement and misplacement of human resources (i.e. the right or wrong person assigned to a particular role in the expedition and the rescue efforts).

From the events portrayed in the "The Rent Tent" it is difficult to fault Nobile as a leader. He wisely turns back to Kings Bay when the weather gets bad, he is genuinely devastated at the loss of some of his men, and his actions after the crash are all reasonable. He can be blamed for allowing Lundborg to bring him out before his men but under the circumstances it was a sensible decision if not a politically correct one. As Samoilovich, Captain of the Russian Icebreaker Krassin points out, a leader is judged by their actions, and their actions by their results, Nobile's early rescue is the reason the other surviving crewmen are ultimately rescued.

Nobile's fantasy trial eventually dredges from his subconscious the realization of why he choose to leave with Lundborg (1000 reasons to stay-1001 to leave). That such a trivial and self-indulgent reason was the difference maker accounts for his continuing guilt. This realization, along with the belief that Amundsen (his peer) is the only one fit to judge him, allows Nobile to finally forgive himself for being human. They go out with Amundsen's advice to reflect not on their failures but on the things they attempted and the wondrous things they saw. There is no guilt in not achieving an ambitious goal, making the attempt is more important than succeeding.

The music is also great.


www.imdb.com/title/tt0067315/

www.dvdbeaver.com/film...review.htm

store.sciam.com/index....e_Red_Tent


Last edited by Adrian_Wainer on Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:34 pm; edited 2 times in total
Back to top
View user's profile
Adrian_Wainer
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jun 03, 2006
Posts: 255

PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:50 pm
Post subject: Re: Airship aviation in FSX, RED Tent rescue!

FS2004 FS Design Shop Version of the Norge, Semi_Rigid Airship
This was an Italian built airship designed by Umberto Nobile. The government of Norway charted the airship to go to the North Pole. Sound: Lennart Olsson and flight Dynamics by G. kirschstein.Aircraft and Panel by Frank J. Petriccione. By Frank J. Petriccione September 2005

www.fsplanet.com/03102005.htm

FS2004 Latham-47 Twin-engined biplane flying boat. This particular aircraft was flown by Roald Amundsen on the attempt to rescue members of italian expedition on the "Italia" airship. By Alexander Belov. 1MB

www.simviation.com/fs2...tage38.htm

FS2002 STD/PRO model Savoia Marchetti S 55 X
This is the virtual model for Fs2002 of the famous italian flying boat. The model here presented shows one of the examples of the plane that took part to the historic North Atlantic flight to commemorate the tenth anniversary of foundation of Italian Royal Air Force in 1933. Archive contains two different examples of the plane. One with Marshall Italo BALBO marks and the other with that of Capt.NANNINI. This is the 3rd version of my model, it is made with FSDS2 from ABACUS has full moving parts, a detailed cockpit canopy with pilot inside, a 3D virtual cockpit . Model and panel by Massimo Taccoli. The Balbo example is repainted by Luigi Speroni.

www.fsplanet.com/12022003.htm

Sweden: In 1927 and 1928 Fokker delivered 2 C.Vd's and 6 C.Ve's to the Swedish airforce. In 1928 a licence agreement with the CVM factory at Malmstätt was finalized, after which this manufacturer delivered 35 C.Ve's [1 C.Vd] to the airforce. Later, in 1929 Fokker themselves also produced and delivered another 6 C.Vd's. The well-known balloon incident at the polar ice at June 23, 1928 involving the Italian General Nobile also involved a rescue mission by a Swedish C.V. With this plane [registration 31 and flown by Lieutenant Einar Lundborg] the Italian General was flown to safety.

www.waroverholland.nl/...ap010.html

www.luftfahrtgeschicht...ordpol.htm

FS2004 Fokker C.v-M/26This aircraft made an epic flight from Copenhagen to Tokyo and back in 1926, flown by A.P. Botved (pilot) and C.J.C. Olsen (mechanic). The Fokker C.V was a very succesful series of aircraft used for reconnaisance, as a light bomber or a two-seat fighter. It could be fitted with a lot of different engines, and wings of several configurations. This aircraft (R1 of the Danish Army Air Force) was powered by a 512 h.p. Lorraine-Dietrich 12eb inline engine. It was delivered as a C.V-C with square wings that made it look like a scaled-up Fokker D.VII. For the long-distance flight it had longer, tapered wings of the C.V-E type fitted, and all military equipment was replaced with extra fuel, oil and supplies for the crew. By Jens B. Kristensen. 2.8MB

www.simviation.com/fs2...tage56.htm

NB The Above aircraft is in Danish colours [ rather than Swedish ] and I find the various post World War 1 variants of the Fokker VII confuseing, if anybody knows of a sim aircraft which better represents Lundborg's aircraft, post it in the thread, thanks!



In June 1928, an Aero Junkers F 13 piloted by Gunnar Lihr took part in the search for the explorer Umberto Nobile's airship, Italia, which had crashed north of Spitsbergen. Lihr succeeded in rescuing one of the expedition's scientific team, a feat which brought considerable publicity for both Lihr and Aero. Two years later, Aero received more international press coverage when a Junkers F 13 located the Norwegian vessel, Bratvaag, carrying the bodies of the crew of the ill-fated Andree Expedition to Oslo from Spitsbergen, where they had perished in 1897.

www.finnairgroup.com/g..._14_2.html

www.geocities.com/hjun...f13_a1.htm

www.ju-f13.de/

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer


Last edited by Adrian_Wainer on Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:38 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile
Shadow_Bshwackr
Janitor

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 21, 2005
Posts: 7015
Location: Central Illinois, USA
PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 6:01 pm
Post subject: Re: Airship aviation in FSX, RED Tent rescue!

Outstanding post Adrian... Wink
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Adrian_Wainer
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jun 03, 2006
Posts: 255

PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:21 pm
Post subject: Re: Airship aviation in FSX, RED Tent rescue!

- Shadow_Bshwackr
Outstanding post Adrian... Wink


Much appreciated, thanks very much!

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer
Back to top
View user's profile
JG300-Stoopy
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 05, 2005
Posts: 5840
Location: Group W bench
PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:13 pm
Post subject: Re: Airship aviation in FSX, RED Tent rescue!

Holy Cripes!!

_________________
"Once your reputation is ruined, you can live quite freely."
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Adrian_Wainer
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jun 03, 2006
Posts: 255

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:07 pm
Post subject: Re: Airship aviation in FSX, RED Tent rescue!

Junkers F13

Function: 6-seat transport
Engine: One of the following six-cylinder in-line liquid-cooled engines:

BMW-IIIa (max. power 240 hp /176 kW)
BMW-IV (250 hp /184 kW)
Junkers L-2 (265 hp /194 kW)
Junkers L-5 (310 hp /228 kW)

Span: 58 ft 2.8 in (17.75 m)
Length: 31 ft 6 in (9.60 m)
Height: 13 ft 5.4 in (4.10 m)
Wing area: 463 sq ft (43 m²)
Empty weight: 2,701 lb (1,225 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 4,409 lb (2,000 kg)
Max speed: 115 mph (185 km/h)
Max climb: 650 ft (198 m)/min
Service ceiling: 16,404 ft (5,000 m)
Range: 609 ml (980 km)

www.classicwings.net/f...3/f13.html

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer


Last edited by Adrian_Wainer on Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:39 pm; edited 3 times in total
Back to top
View user's profile
Adrian_Wainer
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jun 03, 2006
Posts: 255

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:10 pm
Post subject: Re: Airship aviation in FSX, RED Tent rescue!

www.aircraftresourcece...al2904.htm

Junkers G-24, this aircraft [ but not in Turkish colours! ] was carried aboard the icebreaker Krassin and also there was a Swedish airliner of this aircraft type involved in the search for the red Tent.

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer
Back to top
View user's profile
Nelson
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 19, 2007
Posts: 57
Location: Good Old Blighty
PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 7:42 pm
Post subject: Re: Airship aviation in FSX, RED Tent rescue!

Hi Adrian, yes sounds good, let me sleep on it ok.do you want the actual search set up, the scenery where the aircraft took off from or the airships voyage? or crash site?
The Castle Archdale mission has now been uploaded to flightsim awaiting scrutiny. Should be available soon.
Regards
Dave

_________________
Dave
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail AIM Address
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Revive this topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  FSX
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours

Archive Revive
Username:
This is an archived topic - your reply will not be appended here.
Instead, a new topic will be generated in the active forum.
The new topic will provide a reference link to this archived topic.