±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 785
Total: 785
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Community Forums
03: Community Forums
04: Community Forums
05: Community Forums
06: CPGlang
07: Member Screenshots
08: Community Forums
09: Photo Gallery
10: Community Forums
11: Photo Gallery
12: Community Forums
13: Community Forums
14: Community Forums
15: Community Forums
16: Community Forums
17: Community Forums
18: Community Forums
19: Community Forums
20: Your Account
21: Community Forums
22: Community Forums
23: Community Forums
24: Statistics
25: Community Forums
26: Downloads
27: Community Forums
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: Home
31: Downloads
32: Community Forums
33: Community Forums
34: Community Forums
35: Photo Gallery
36: Home
37: Community Forums
38: Community Forums
39: Community Forums
40: Community Forums
41: Community Forums
42: Community Forums
43: News
44: Community Forums
45: Community Forums
46: Community Forums
47: Photo Gallery
48: Community Forums
49: Photo Gallery
50: Community Forums
51: Community Forums
52: Photo Gallery
53: Home
54: Home
55: Community Forums
56: Community Forums
57: Photo Gallery
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Community Forums
62: Community Forums
63: Community Forums
64: Community Forums
65: Community Forums
66: Downloads
67: CPGlang
68: Community Forums
69: Home
70: Community Forums
71: Community Forums
72: Community Forums
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Community Forums
76: Community Forums
77: Community Forums
78: Community Forums
79: Community Forums
80: Community Forums
81: Community Forums
82: Community Forums
83: Home
84: Community Forums
85: Community Forums
86: Photo Gallery
87: Community Forums
88: Community Forums
89: Member Screenshots
90: Photo Gallery
91: Community Forums
92: Downloads
93: Photo Gallery
94: Community Forums
95: Photo Gallery
96: Member Screenshots
97: Home
98: Photo Gallery
99: Home
100: Community Forums
101: Community Forums
102: Photo Gallery
103: Community Forums
104: Community Forums
105: Home
106: Downloads
107: Photo Gallery
108: Community Forums
109: Photo Gallery
110: Community Forums
111: Photo Gallery
112: Community Forums
113: Member Screenshots
114: Community Forums
115: Community Forums
116: Downloads
117: Downloads
118: Downloads
119: Home
120: Photo Gallery
121: News
122: Community Forums
123: Photo Gallery
124: Community Forums
125: Community Forums
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Community Forums
129: Member Screenshots
130: CPGlang
131: Your Account
132: Community Forums
133: Community Forums
134: Home
135: Community Forums
136: Photo Gallery
137: Member Screenshots
138: Community Forums
139: Home
140: Home
141: Community Forums
142: Community Forums
143: Photo Gallery
144: Community Forums
145: Home
146: Photo Gallery
147: CPGlang
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: Community Forums
151: Community Forums
152: Photo Gallery
153: Statistics
154: Community Forums
155: News Archive
156: Photo Gallery
157: CPGlang
158: Community Forums
159: Home
160: Your Account
161: Community Forums
162: Community Forums
163: Community Forums
164: Community Forums
165: Community Forums
166: Home
167: Statistics
168: Community Forums
169: News
170: Community Forums
171: Community Forums
172: Photo Gallery
173: Community Forums
174: Community Forums
175: Your Account
176: Home
177: Community Forums
178: Downloads
179: Community Forums
180: News
181: Community Forums
182: Community Forums
183: Community Forums
184: Community Forums
185: Community Forums
186: Community Forums
187: Community Forums
188: News
189: Community Forums
190: Community Forums
191: Community Forums
192: Community Forums
193: Community Forums
194: Community Forums
195: Community Forums
196: Photo Gallery
197: Home
198: Home
199: News Archive
200: Community Forums
201: Home
202: Photo Gallery
203: Community Forums
204: Community Forums
205: Community Forums
206: Community Forums
207: Community Forums
208: Member Screenshots
209: Photo Gallery
210: Home
211: Photo Gallery
212: Home
213: Photo Gallery
214: Community Forums
215: Home
216: Community Forums
217: Community Forums
218: Community Forums
219: Community Forums
220: Community Forums
221: Community Forums
222: Home
223: Community Forums
224: Photo Gallery
225: Photo Gallery
226: Photo Gallery
227: Community Forums
228: Community Forums
229: Community Forums
230: Community Forums
231: Community Forums
232: News
233: Photo Gallery
234: Community Forums
235: Community Forums
236: Community Forums
237: Home
238: Community Forums
239: Community Forums
240: Community Forums
241: Community Forums
242: Downloads
243: Community Forums
244: Community Forums
245: Home
246: Photo Gallery
247: Community Forums
248: Downloads
249: Community Forums
250: Home
251: Community Forums
252: Downloads
253: Community Forums
254: Community Forums
255: Photo Gallery
256: Community Forums
257: CPGlang
258: Photo Gallery
259: Community Forums
260: Community Forums
261: Community Forums
262: Community Forums
263: Community Forums
264: Community Forums
265: Home
266: Community Forums
267: Community Forums
268: Community Forums
269: Community Forums
270: Photo Gallery
271: Community Forums
272: Community Forums
273: Community Forums
274: Community Forums
275: Community Forums
276: Community Forums
277: Community Forums
278: Community Forums
279: Community Forums
280: Home
281: Community Forums
282: Community Forums
283: Community Forums
284: Photo Gallery
285: Community Forums
286: Community Forums
287: Downloads
288: Community Forums
289: News
290: Community Forums
291: Community Forums
292: Home
293: Home
294: Photo Gallery
295: Home
296: CPGlang
297: Community Forums
298: News
299: Community Forums
300: Home
301: Photo Gallery
302: Photo Gallery
303: Downloads
304: CPGlang
305: Community Forums
306: Community Forums
307: Photo Gallery
308: Community Forums
309: Downloads
310: Home
311: News
312: Community Forums
313: Community Forums
314: Community Forums
315: Photo Gallery
316: Photo Gallery
317: News Archive
318: Community Forums
319: Community Forums
320: Home
321: Member Screenshots
322: Community Forums
323: Community Forums
324: News
325: Photo Gallery
326: Community Forums
327: Member Screenshots
328: Community Forums
329: Community Forums
330: Community Forums
331: Community Forums
332: Community Forums
333: Community Forums
334: Home
335: Home
336: Home
337: Community Forums
338: Community Forums
339: Home
340: Community Forums
341: Downloads
342: Community Forums
343: Community Forums
344: News
345: Community Forums
346: CPGlang
347: Community Forums
348: Community Forums
349: Community Forums
350: Home
351: Community Forums
352: Home
353: Community Forums
354: Community Forums
355: Community Forums
356: Community Forums
357: Home
358: Community Forums
359: Community Forums
360: News
361: Community Forums
362: Community Forums
363: Downloads
364: Search
365: Downloads
366: Community Forums
367: Community Forums
368: Photo Gallery
369: Community Forums
370: Photo Gallery
371: Community Forums
372: Community Forums
373: Community Forums
374: Home
375: Member Screenshots
376: Home
377: Your Account
378: Photo Gallery
379: News
380: Community Forums
381: Community Forums
382: Member Screenshots
383: Home
384: Community Forums
385: Community Forums
386: Home
387: Photo Gallery
388: Community Forums
389: Community Forums
390: Community Forums
391: Community Forums
392: Community Forums
393: Community Forums
394: Member Screenshots
395: Community Forums
396: Community Forums
397: Home
398: Community Forums
399: Community Forums
400: Community Forums
401: Downloads
402: Community Forums
403: Community Forums
404: Community Forums
405: Home
406: Community Forums
407: Photo Gallery
408: Photo Gallery
409: Downloads
410: Community Forums
411: Community Forums
412: Photo Gallery
413: Community Forums
414: Community Forums
415: Community Forums
416: Community Forums
417: Home
418: Community Forums
419: Downloads
420: Community Forums
421: Your Account
422: Downloads
423: Photo Gallery
424: Community Forums
425: Community Forums
426: Community Forums
427: Community Forums
428: Photo Gallery
429: News
430: Community Forums
431: Member Screenshots
432: Photo Gallery
433: Community Forums
434: Home
435: Photo Gallery
436: Downloads
437: Community Forums
438: Photo Gallery
439: Community Forums
440: Community Forums
441: Photo Gallery
442: Photo Gallery
443: Home
444: Community Forums
445: Downloads
446: Community Forums
447: Community Forums
448: Home
449: News
450: Community Forums
451: Community Forums
452: Community Forums
453: Community Forums
454: Photo Gallery
455: Community Forums
456: Community Forums
457: Member Screenshots
458: Community Forums
459: Community Forums
460: CPGlang
461: Photo Gallery
462: Community Forums
463: Community Forums
464: Community Forums
465: Community Forums
466: Community Forums
467: Community Forums
468: Community Forums
469: Community Forums
470: Community Forums
471: Community Forums
472: Photo Gallery
473: Community Forums
474: Home
475: Photo Gallery
476: Photo Gallery
477: Community Forums
478: Community Forums
479: Community Forums
480: Community Forums
481: Community Forums
482: Community Forums
483: Community Forums
484: Your Account
485: Community Forums
486: Statistics
487: Photo Gallery
488: Community Forums
489: Home
490: Community Forums
491: Community Forums
492: Community Forums
493: Downloads
494: Your Account
495: Photo Gallery
496: Community Forums
497: Community Forums
498: Community Forums
499: Community Forums
500: Community Forums
501: Community Forums
502: Downloads
503: Community Forums
504: Home
505: Community Forums
506: Community Forums
507: Community Forums
508: Downloads
509: Home
510: Photo Gallery
511: Community Forums
512: Community Forums
513: Community Forums
514: Community Forums
515: Community Forums
516: Member Screenshots
517: Community Forums
518: Community Forums
519: Community Forums
520: Community Forums
521: Community Forums
522: Community Forums
523: Community Forums
524: Community Forums
525: Photo Gallery
526: Community Forums
527: Your Account
528: Community Forums
529: Community Forums
530: Community Forums
531: Community Forums
532: Photo Gallery
533: Community Forums
534: Community Forums
535: Your Account
536: Your Account
537: Home
538: Photo Gallery
539: Photo Gallery
540: Community Forums
541: Community Forums
542: Community Forums
543: Community Forums
544: Home
545: Community Forums
546: Community Forums
547: Community Forums
548: Home
549: Photo Gallery
550: Community Forums
551: Community Forums
552: Community Forums
553: Community Forums
554: Community Forums
555: Community Forums
556: Community Forums
557: Community Forums
558: Community Forums
559: Community Forums
560: Community Forums
561: Photo Gallery
562: Community Forums
563: Community Forums
564: Community Forums
565: Home
566: Statistics
567: Community Forums
568: Photo Gallery
569: Community Forums
570: Community Forums
571: Community Forums
572: Downloads
573: Community Forums
574: Community Forums
575: Community Forums
576: Home
577: Community Forums
578: Community Forums
579: Community Forums
580: Community Forums
581: Community Forums
582: Community Forums
583: Community Forums
584: Community Forums
585: Community Forums
586: Community Forums
587: Photo Gallery
588: CPGlang
589: Community Forums
590: Community Forums
591: Photo Gallery
592: Community Forums
593: Photo Gallery
594: Community Forums
595: Community Forums
596: Photo Gallery
597: Community Forums
598: Community Forums
599: Community Forums
600: Downloads
601: Home
602: Search
603: Photo Gallery
604: Community Forums
605: Community Forums
606: Community Forums
607: Photo Gallery
608: Home
609: Photo Gallery
610: Downloads
611: Photo Gallery
612: Home
613: Community Forums
614: Community Forums
615: CPGlang
616: Community Forums
617: Your Account
618: Photo Gallery
619: Community Forums
620: Community Forums
621: Home
622: CPGlang
623: Member Screenshots
624: Community Forums
625: Home
626: Community Forums
627: Member Screenshots
628: Photo Gallery
629: Community Forums
630: Photo Gallery
631: Your Account
632: Community Forums
633: Community Forums
634: Community Forums
635: Community Forums
636: Community Forums
637: Community Forums
638: Community Forums
639: CPGlang
640: Community Forums
641: Community Forums
642: Community Forums
643: Community Forums
644: Contact
645: Community Forums
646: Community Forums
647: Community Forums
648: Home
649: Community Forums
650: Home
651: Home
652: Community Forums
653: Photo Gallery
654: Community Forums
655: Community Forums
656: Home
657: Community Forums
658: Photo Gallery
659: Community Forums
660: Community Forums
661: CPGlang
662: Photo Gallery
663: Community Forums
664: Community Forums
665: Downloads
666: Your Account
667: Community Forums
668: Community Forums
669: CPGlang
670: Home
671: Member Screenshots
672: Community Forums
673: Community Forums
674: Community Forums
675: Community Forums
676: Community Forums
677: Community Forums
678: Community Forums
679: Community Forums
680: Member Screenshots
681: Home
682: Community Forums
683: News
684: Community Forums
685: Community Forums
686: Community Forums
687: Community Forums
688: Home
689: Community Forums
690: Photo Gallery
691: Community Forums
692: Home
693: Community Forums
694: Statistics
695: Home
696: Community Forums
697: Community Forums
698: Community Forums
699: Community Forums
700: CPGlang
701: Community Forums
702: Community Forums
703: Community Forums
704: Community Forums
705: Photo Gallery
706: CPGlang
707: Community Forums
708: Community Forums
709: Community Forums
710: Photo Gallery
711: Community Forums
712: Community Forums
713: Community Forums
714: Community Forums
715: Photo Gallery
716: Community Forums
717: Community Forums
718: Community Forums
719: Community Forums
720: Community Forums
721: Photo Gallery
722: Community Forums
723: Community Forums
724: Your Account
725: Home
726: Your Account
727: Community Forums
728: Photo Gallery
729: Community Forums
730: Community Forums
731: Community Forums
732: CPGlang
733: Community Forums
734: Community Forums
735: Community Forums
736: Home
737: Community Forums
738: Community Forums
739: Home
740: Community Forums
741: Home
742: Community Forums
743: Community Forums
744: Community Forums
745: Home
746: Home
747: CPGlang
748: Home
749: Community Forums
750: Home
751: Photo Gallery
752: Community Forums
753: Community Forums
754: Community Forums
755: Community Forums
756: Community Forums
757: Downloads
758: Community Forums
759: Community Forums
760: Community Forums
761: Community Forums
762: Photo Gallery
763: Community Forums
764: Community Forums
765: Community Forums
766: Photo Gallery
767: Your Account
768: Downloads
769: Member Screenshots
770: Community Forums
771: Community Forums
772: Community Forums
773: Community Forums
774: News
775: Community Forums
776: Your Account
777: Community Forums
778: Community Forums
779: Community Forums
780: CPGlang
781: Home
782: Community Forums
783: Community Forums
784: Your Account
785: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Some ID Help needed...
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:30 pm
Post subject: Some ID Help needed...

No, not the M48 turrets... The vehicles in the background. Leopard 1-based right? But I cant quite figure out what they are...



Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Sabot
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 380
Location: Kentucky
PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 3:20 pm
Post subject: Re: Some ID Help needed...

Just an educated guess, but it looks like the missile armed version of the Jagdpanzer Kanone called the Jagdpanzer Rakete. The missile raised out of those two top doors.

_________________
RobG
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 3:29 pm
Post subject: Re: Some ID Help needed...

Yep, thats it - Jaguar 2s.

Thanks Sabot...

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:24 pm
Post subject: Re: Some ID Help needed...

- Neil_Baumgardner
No, not the M48 turrets... The vehicles in the background. Leopard 1-based right? But I cant quite figure out what they are...



Neil


Are those M48 turrets or early M60 turrets?
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Sabot
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 380
Location: Kentucky
PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:34 pm
Post subject: Re: Some ID Help needed...

I'd guess M48 and not early M60 for the following reasons:
1. Position of the bore evacuator at the end of the barrel (muzzle brake removed) vs. the center identifies this as a 90mm vs a 105mm gun.
2. The Bundeswehr used the M48, but not the M60.

_________________
RobG
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4678
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:46 pm
Post subject: Re: Some ID Help needed...

- Sabot
I'd guess M48 and not early M60 for the following reasons:
1. Position of the bore evacuator at the end of the barrel (muzzle brake removed) vs. the center identifies this as a 90mm vs a 105mm gun.
2. The Bundeswehr used the M48, but not the M60.


Thanks Rob...I couldn't tell if that bore evacuator was at the end or the middle of the barrel...the perspective is skewed by the angle of the shot. I think you're probably right.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
mike_Duplessis
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 236

PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:40 pm
Post subject: Re: Some ID Help needed...

Jaguar 2s. Think old JPZ Kanones with the 90mm gun removed and pop-up TOW missile launcher installed. Those tall periscope masts were recycled - originally guidance periscopes for the the wire-guided missiles on the JPZ Racket (or however it was spelled).

Its appropriate to see M48 turrets in the foreground. the M48 and JPZ Kanone both chambered the same 90mm ammo (Though the JPZ Kanone had a much shorter barrel).

Oh, and I think holding up a GPS thingy in the foreground only works if you can read the numbers in the photo Wink
Back to top
View user's profile
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:40 am
Post subject: Re: Some ID Help needed...

Someone explain to me the purpose of the old turrets on the ground. Were parts used / taken from them? What happened to the hulls they came from?

_________________
SFC Jeff Button "High Angle Hell"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Sabot
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 380
Location: Kentucky
PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:43 am
Post subject: Re: Some ID Help needed...

I believe the German Army converted the M48 into AVLBs before they developed their homeground Leopard 1 based Biber bridgelayer.

_________________
RobG
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address
L.Delsing
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 10, 2006
Posts: 960

PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 5:26 pm
Post subject: Re: Some ID Help needed...

Were is this picture taken (if known....)

Regards,
Lesley
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:16 pm
Post subject: Re: Some ID Help needed...

Hammelburg, Bavaria.

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Jens_O_Mehner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 511
Location: Giessen, Germany
PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Some ID Help needed...

- Sabot
I believe the German Army converted the M48 into AVLBs before they developed their homeground Leopard 1 based Biber bridgelayer.


Rob,

to the best of my knowledge, we bought the AVLBs from the US, and upgraded our M48A2s with 105mm guns for use in the Heimatschutzbrigaden (reserve units). However, when those became redundant as well, some were converted into Keiler mine-clearing vehicles.

Keiler MCS

Cheers,

Jens O.
Back to top
View user's profile
obob
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Feb 08, 2007
Posts: 14
Location: South SF-Bay area, California
PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:36 pm
Post subject: Re: Some ID Help needed...

- Neil_Baumgardner
Hammelburg, Bavaria.


wasn't that the nearest city to the fictional "Stalag 13" of "Hogan's Heroes"?
Back to top
View user's profile
Jens_O_Mehner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 511
Location: Giessen, Germany
PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:40 pm
Post subject: Re: Some ID Help needed...

- obob

wasn't that the nearest city to the fictional "Stalag 13" of "Hogan's Heroes"?


Methinks you're right, there was also a Stalag there in real life (actually an Oflag, an officer's prison camp) which gained some fame due to the fact that Patton's son-in-law was held there- have a look at "Taskforce Baum and the Hammelburg raid" for further details.

Cheers,

Jens O.
Back to top
View user's profile
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:26 am
Post subject: Re: Some ID Help needed...

Jens,
I really liked that Taskforce Baum site. Very interesting, got anymore links like that?

_________________
SFC Jeff Button "High Angle Hell"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum