±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6646

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 165
Total: 165
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Community Forums
02: Home
03: Home
04: CPGlang
05: CPGlang
06: CPGlang
07: Home
08: Community Forums
09: Home
10: Home
11: Community Forums
12: Photo Gallery
13: Community Forums
14: Home
15: CPGlang
16: Photo Gallery
17: Community Forums
18: CPGlang
19: Community Forums
20: Community Forums
21: News Archive
22: Home
23: Community Forums
24: CPGlang
25: Statistics
26: Community Forums
27: Home
28: Community Forums
29: Community Forums
30: Community Forums
31: Community Forums
32: Home
33: CPGlang
34: CPGlang
35: Home
36: News Archive
37: Home
38: CPGlang
39: CPGlang
40: Home
41: Home
42: News Archive
43: CPGlang
44: Community Forums
45: Community Forums
46: Your Account
47: Community Forums
48: Home
49: Home
50: Home
51: CPGlang
52: Home
53: Community Forums
54: Community Forums
55: Community Forums
56: Home
57: Home
58: Community Forums
59: Community Forums
60: Community Forums
61: Home
62: Home
63: Community Forums
64: Downloads
65: CPGlang
66: CPGlang
67: CPGlang
68: Home
69: Home
70: Community Forums
71: Community Forums
72: Home
73: Community Forums
74: Community Forums
75: Home
76: Home
77: Community Forums
78: Home
79: Home
80: CPGlang
81: Community Forums
82: CPGlang
83: CPGlang
84: Community Forums
85: CPGlang
86: Home
87: Photo Gallery
88: Community Forums
89: CPGlang
90: CPGlang
91: Home
92: Community Forums
93: News Archive
94: Downloads
95: CPGlang
96: Home
97: Community Forums
98: Community Forums
99: Community Forums
100: Home
101: Community Forums
102: Home
103: News Archive
104: Home
105: Home
106: CPGlang
107: Home
108: Your Account
109: Home
110: Community Forums
111: Home
112: CPGlang
113: CPGlang
114: Community Forums
115: Community Forums
116: Community Forums
117: CPGlang
118: Home
119: Home
120: Community Forums
121: Photo Gallery
122: Home
123: CPGlang
124: Home
125: Community Forums
126: CPGlang
127: Community Forums
128: Community Forums
129: CPGlang
130: Photo Gallery
131: Home
132: CPGlang
133: Community Forums
134: CPGlang
135: Photo Gallery
136: Community Forums
137: Community Forums
138: Community Forums
139: Community Forums
140: Community Forums
141: Community Forums
142: Home
143: CPGlang
144: Community Forums
145: News Archive
146: Community Forums
147: CPGlang
148: Community Forums
149: Community Forums
150: Community Forums
151: CPGlang
152: Community Forums
153: Community Forums
154: Home
155: Community Forums
156: Home
157: Community Forums
158: CPGlang
159: Home
160: CPGlang
161: Downloads
162: Home
163: Home
164: Community Forums
165: CPGlang

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
here you go Roy, some tracked stuff
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
armyjunk2
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 22, 2006
Posts: 1416

PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:03 pm
Post subject: here you go Roy, some tracked stuff

here you go Roy, I don't think these have been posted before, Kubinka


1


2


3
Back to top
View user's profile
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:24 pm
Post subject: Re: here you go Roy, some tracked stuff

Hi AJ! Hi Folks!

Super! What is with those service drive headlights? They look a bit larger that standard issue.

Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Jens_O_Mehner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 511
Location: Giessen, Germany
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:34 pm
Post subject: Re: here you go Roy, some tracked stuff

- Roy_A_Lingle
Hi AJ! Hi Folks!

Super! What is with those service drive headlights? They look a bit larger that standard issue.

Sgt, Scouts Out!


Just a wild guess, but I think Russian depots are not exactly overflowing with US spare parts and they used parts on hand, "made in Rodina". Mr. Green



Jens O.
Back to top
View user's profile
Neil_Baumgardner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3942
Location: Arlington, VA
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:12 pm
Post subject: Re: here you go Roy, some tracked stuff

Whats the first model?

Neil
Back to top
View user's profile
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:25 pm
Post subject: Re: here you go Roy, some tracked stuff

Hi Neil! Hi Folks!

- Neil_Baumgardner

Whats the first model?


M-577 Battalion Command Post, Battalion Aid Station, Fire Direction Center for battalion mortars and artillery FOs attached to infantry and armor battalions. Possible more uses, those are the ones I have seen them put to.

Spot Report!
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4677
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:52 pm
Post subject: Re: here you go Roy, some tracked stuff

That 577 appears to be an early model with the welded top...didn't all the later ones have an integral top with no apparent weld mark?

Those M113's with ACAV kit's look awfully complete with their swim gear and rubber skirts intact, but seem to lack mine plate kits. Don't seem to be captured Vietnam equipment, not enough "bush damage". Wonder where these came from?
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Jens_O_Mehner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 511
Location: Giessen, Germany
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:53 pm
Post subject: Re: here you go Roy, some tracked stuff

- Doug_Kibbey
Those M113's with ACAV kit's look awfully complete with their swim gear and rubber skirts intact, but seem to lack mine plate kits. Don't seem to be captured Vietnam equipment, not enough "bush damage". Wonder where these came from?


There is captured Viet Nam equipment and then there is captured Viet Nam equipment- could be ex-ARVN "donated" after the end of the war? There were also a sizeable number of ex-VNAF birds around for years.



Jens O.
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4677
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:23 pm
Post subject: Re: here you go Roy, some tracked stuff

- Jens_O_Mehner
- Doug_Kibbey
Those M113's with ACAV kit's look awfully complete with their swim gear and rubber skirts intact, but seem to lack mine plate kits. Don't seem to be captured Vietnam equipment, not enough "bush damage". Wonder where these came from?


There is captured Viet Nam equipment and then there is captured Viet Nam equipment- could be ex-ARVN "donated" after the end of the war? There were also a sizeable number of ex-VNAF birds around for years.



Jens O.


They'd have to have "Palace Guard" type vehicles....those surf board, skirts and headlight guards are in beautiful condition to have ever ventured outside the wire. The absence of mine plates reinforces your suggestion that they weren't "field" vehicles or with U.S. units on ACR operations. Wink
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
armyjunk2
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Sep 22, 2006
Posts: 1416

PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:03 am
Post subject: Re: here you go Roy, some tracked stuff

They might just have traded something with another museum for a couple new vehicles, food for thought. But I really don't have any idea.........maybe Taranov knows where they came from...
Back to top
View user's profile
Dontos
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 3436
Location: Vine Grove, KY
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:25 am
Post subject: Re: here you go Roy, some tracked stuff

Definitely early M577, or 'home made'.

I'd bank on RSVN but probably left behind stuff from ARVN.

Don't forget possible middle east aquisition via Syrian or Egypt. Never can tell.

Don
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
SFC_Jeff_Button
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1311
Location: Ft Hood, TX
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:08 am
Post subject: Re: here you go Roy, some tracked stuff

Hello all, good to see a Mortar track. That third picture is an M106, 4.2in mortar carrier. You can tell by the long round "hinge bar" for the rear hatch as well as the "bump stops" that catch and hold the hatches when in the open position. The only thing I cant really see in this picture is where the baseplate and trunion were mounted on the side on the track. Not to suprising however since many of ours were broken off by civilians driving them on to ships for shipment over seas. Seems they just assumed all versions were like M113's, with smooth sides and would break them off on other vehicles while parking them close together.
I also noticed that the front rubber skirt guard holder does not have the cutout area for placing your foot when climbing up the side. This same piece also has a sharp defined edge, where our pieces were rounded.
It also appears that the tracks shoes are missing the pads on the M106 model, where the M577 and M113 still have their pads. I'd like to see the rear of that M106 as well.

_________________
SFC Jeff Button "High Angle Hell"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Jens_O_Mehner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 511
Location: Giessen, Germany
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:19 am
Post subject: Re: here you go Roy, some tracked stuff

- SFC_Jeff_Button
I also noticed that the front rubber skirt guard holder does not have the cutout area for placing your foot when climbing up the side. This same piece also has a sharp defined edge, where our pieces were rounded.


I do not think they are original on the ACAV and the mortar track, but rather manufactured in the museum's shops- the M577 has the original ones, which are rounded.

The ACAV also does not have M60s in back, but what looks like M1919 cal .30 Brownings- plenty of those in ARVN stocks.

I have a feeling that if they came via Syria and Egypt, they would be a lot more damaged, the IDF did not lose much equipment to their opponents as opposed to vice versa.
Back to top
View user's profile
tanker2010
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Aug 20, 2006
Posts: 264
Location: Kansas City, Mo.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:58 pm
Post subject: Re: here you go Roy, some tracked stuff

- SFC_Jeff_Button
That third picture is an M106, 4.2in mortar carrier.


More than likely a M125, 81MM track. There are no mounts on the side for the bridge and baseplate, nor the holes had the mounts been taken off.
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Scott_Taylor
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 80
Location: London, Ontario
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:14 pm
Post subject: Re: here you go Roy, some tracked stuff

The left side of the .50 calibre gun shield appears to have taken some significant damage on the M113 ACAV. Perhaps the shields have been fitted to an otherwise unused vehicle?

The M125's left track seems rather loose, too.

Cheers,

Scott
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 1
All times are GMT - 6 Hours



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum