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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 12:00 pm
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Hi guys,

I know you don't fly IL2, but this is nevertheless a great read, as the core problem applies to all flight sims. Take a cup of coffee and some time to read the thread and then check out the amazing PDF file and what the guy has done to his joystick. I just copy pasted the post from IL2 section to here:
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The recent discussion on the UBI forums about Capt. Eric Browns recommended stick settings* compared to IL2's (and probably other combat sims's) has brought up some very interesting posts to read from real pilots flying the sim:

(read especially Viper2005's posts with care)

forums.ubi.com/eve/for...011154/p/1


This is what Viper has done with his stick:
(you engineers are gonna love this)

www.realsimulator.com/...nglish.pdf

and an alternative to buy:

www.simcontrol.co.uk/l...20page.htm

The best part is though that discussion appereantly didn't went unheard by Oleg. This is what was posted just now at the UBI forums:

- crazyivan
Oleg had problems logging in, so he asked me to post this. This change is not listed in the readme of Manjuria addon.
Addon is not out yet, hopefully next week. So, add following to the readme when it`s out

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in 4.06 (SoM) changed following

Joystick control input was changed in accordance with pilots' wishes.


Such function adds feel of the real size control column which is way longer than such of Joysick.
Optimized for default settings of Joystick curves. However for some planes would be better any way exponente (recomended in DVD readme-manual version).

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This could be one of the most interesting changes of the last extensions, IMO. Thanks Oleg and team!

Nausicaa

*Capt. Eric Brown, former WWII testpilot, tested IL2 and thought it was very realistic for most planes. Here the full story:
forums.ubi.com/eve/for.../309109534
He recommended following joystick settings though to get a more realistic feel of WWII Warbirds control surfaces:

Captain Brown's Settings

Want to get the most realistic Il-2:FB experience possible? After testing, Captain Brown managed to help define what he considers the most realistic joystick sensitivity settings. If you have a copy of Il-2:FB and would like to emulate this go into Hardware setup, then 'Input' then 'Controls' - when you will find a range of sliders. Adjust these to:

Pitch 0, 1, 3, 7, 9, 14, 18, 23, 27, 33
Roll 0, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 10, 12, 17
Yaw 0, 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 8, 11, 14, 16


Bringing these down to the values listed in the different axes should make for a much more realistic and true-to-life experience - in what is already a highly realistic warbird sim. Experienced Il-2 flyers may find that these seem to make the aircraft feel more sluggish and less responsive, but these settings will hake take-off and landings easier, as well as manoeuvres requiring small corrections like lining up behind an enemy aircraft or precision dive bombing. It also has to be remembered that vintage warbirds are considerably less agile than modern jet fighters - so that a 'slow roll' seen performed at airshows is very often a WW2 aircraft's max rate of roll - rather than the twinkling roll rate an F-16 might have. These settings bring the handling of aircraft in Il-2:FB more in line with Captain Brown's experience of the real thing and, of course, users can tweak these settings to their heart's content, perhaps adding more sensitivity at 100% deflection so that in extreme dogfights there is still full control authority there at the end of the scale.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:52 pm
Post subject: Re: Read this guys

Thanks Naus...good information.

Flight handling certainly is a can of worms and so subjective, isn't it? If I had a dime for every armchair fighter pilot (myself included) that had an opinion on how the old fighters flew, but never stepped in one, well I could buy you a cup of Expresso maybe ...but you get the idea.

The opinions of the vets who flew them are the priority, and this is good stuff. Thank you.

And for sure i'm no expert either and never wil be - but I did get a chance to fly in a T-6 Texan (real one, what a surprise) last summer for an hour doing all-you-can-eat (or puke) aerobatics, with plenty of "stick time". Although you wouldn't think so by looking at it, it is an EXTREMELY nimble aircraft with very light stick forces. It seems like you don't move the stick at all, you just THINK about moving it, and you're rolling, looping, etc. Same for the rudder. And this was just a trainer for fighter pilots stepping into hotter aircraft!

Stepping back to any flight simulator and a spring-loaded joystick just isn't the same. Of course, the bumps and jolts from turbulence, and smell of a 60-year-old cockpit isn't there either, which is a good thing for the stomach after a long hot bumpy flight...

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