±Recent Visitors

Recent Visitors to Com-Central!

±User Info-big


Welcome Anonymous

Nickname
Password

Membership:
Latest: cgsimpson
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 6645

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 148
Total: 148
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Home
02: CPGlang
03: Community Forums
04: CPGlang
05: Community Forums
06: Home
07: CPGlang
08: Community Forums
09: Home
10: Home
11: Community Forums
12: Home
13: Community Forums
14: CPGlang
15: Community Forums
16: CPGlang
17: CPGlang
18: Photo Gallery
19: Community Forums
20: Home
21: Home
22: Community Forums
23: Member Screenshots
24: Your Account
25: Your Account
26: Community Forums
27: Community Forums
28: Home
29: Home
30: Home
31: Community Forums
32: Home
33: Community Forums
34: Community Forums
35: Community Forums
36: Community Forums
37: Downloads
38: Home
39: Community Forums
40: Community Forums
41: Home
42: Home
43: Community Forums
44: Community Forums
45: Home
46: News Archive
47: Community Forums
48: Community Forums
49: Photo Gallery
50: CPGlang
51: Photo Gallery
52: Home
53: Community Forums
54: CPGlang
55: CPGlang
56: CPGlang
57: Home
58: Home
59: Community Forums
60: Your Account
61: Home
62: Home
63: Community Forums
64: CPGlang
65: Community Forums
66: Community Forums
67: Home
68: Your Account
69: Your Account
70: Community Forums
71: Community Forums
72: Home
73: Home
74: Home
75: Downloads
76: CPGlang
77: Community Forums
78: Community Forums
79: Community Forums
80: Downloads
81: CPGlang
82: Home
83: Home
84: Home
85: Home
86: Home
87: Home
88: CPGlang
89: Home
90: Home
91: Home
92: Community Forums
93: Home
94: Home
95: Home
96: Community Forums
97: Home
98: Community Forums
99: Your Account
100: Home
101: Community Forums
102: Home
103: Community Forums
104: Home
105: Community Forums
106: Home
107: CPGlang
108: CPGlang
109: CPGlang
110: CPGlang
111: Your Account
112: Photo Gallery
113: Community Forums
114: Community Forums
115: CPGlang
116: Community Forums
117: Home
118: Community Forums
119: Home
120: Community Forums
121: Community Forums
122: Home
123: CPGlang
124: Community Forums
125: Home
126: Community Forums
127: Community Forums
128: Downloads
129: Home
130: Home
131: Community Forums
132: CPGlang
133: Home
134: CPGlang
135: Community Forums
136: Community Forums
137: Community Forums
138: Downloads
139: CPGlang
140: Home
141: Community Forums
142: Home
143: CPGlang
144: Community Forums
145: Community Forums
146: Community Forums
147: Community Forums
148: Community Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
Ft. Snelling Military Museum - Pics #3
The AFV ASSOCIATION was formed in 1964 to support the thoughts and research of all those interested in Armored Fighting Vehicles and related topics, such as AFV drawings. The emphasis has always been on sharing information and communicating with other members of similar interests; e.g. German armor, Japanese AFVs, or whatever.
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page     Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
A-109E
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Oct 11, 2006
Posts: 154
Location: Minneapolis
PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:34 pm
Post subject: Ft. Snelling Military Museum - Pics #3

Here's the third installment since I've received no bricks thus far. Laughing























































_________________
--Bob Steinbrunn
BSteinIPMS at aol.com
Back to top
View user's profile
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:32 pm
Post subject: Re: Ft. Snelling Military Museum - Pics #3

Nit Pic Twisted Evil I don't think the 110 was a "Howitzer". Seems like it was called a "Field Gun" or something like that.

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4677
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:44 pm
Post subject: Re: Ft. Snelling Military Museum - Pics #3

- MarkHolloway
Nit Pic Twisted Evil I don't think the 110 was a "Howitzer". Seems like it was called a "Field Gun" or something like that.


When I heard those arty guys make a distinction (other than "gun"), I heard them refer to the 8 incher as a "howitzer" and the 175 as a "rifle".
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
Jens_O_Mehner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 511
Location: Giessen, Germany
PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:57 pm
Post subject: Re: Ft. Snelling Military Museum - Pics #3

Hey,

if you want to build a house, get your bricks elsewhere. Laughing

Thanks Bob, another load of usually neglected vehicles, can't wait for the next installment.

Mark, the 8-incher M110 was designated a self-propelled howitzer, the 175mm M107 was the self-propelled gun. Cool

So, what the heck is an "improver" road? And isn't it quaint to read the term track-laying vehicle? Wink
Back to top
View user's profile
Doug_Kibbey
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 4677
Location: The Great Satan
PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:07 pm
Post subject: Re: Ft. Snelling Military Museum - Pics #3

- Jens_O_Mehner
Hey,

isn't it quaint to read the term track-laying vehicle? Wink


Document Type and Number:United States Patent 4739849 Link to this page:http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4739849.html

Abstract: "A track-laying vehicle of the type which has an engine, transmission, operators cabin, running wheels and tracks which extend around the running wheels, has a compound support structure consisting of a torsionally rigid, generally planar rectangular chassis frame which carries the engine, the transmission and the operator's cabin. The running wheels and tracks, by contrast, are mounted upon a wheel-carrying frame and is substantially coextensive with an underside thereof. The wheel-carrying frame is torsionally compliant and is connected to the chassis frame by a plurality of elastic journals."

Laughing
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
bsmart
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 23, 2006
Posts: 2523
Location: Central Maryland
PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:27 pm
Post subject: Re: Ft. Snelling Military Museum - Pics #3

The only way you'll get bricks from this crew is if you tell them you have pictures you WON'T post Twisted Evil

_________________
Bob Smart (bsmart@xecu.net)
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:38 pm
Post subject: Re: Ft. Snelling Military Museum - Pics #3

I would have thought someone would have pointed out that the 'M110' is, in fact, an M110A2...

Cool

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
MarkHolloway
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Apr 08, 2006
Posts: 2054
Location: Beatty, Nevada
PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:41 pm
Post subject: Re: Ft. Snelling Military Museum - Pics #3

- Jens_O_Mehner


Mark, the 8-incher M110 was designated a self-propelled howitzer, the 175mm M107 was the self-propelled gun. Cool



Thanks! I had them confused.

_________________
"TUMBLEWEED"
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Jens_O_Mehner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 511
Location: Giessen, Germany
PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 6:06 pm
Post subject: Re: Ft. Snelling Military Museum - Pics #3

- JimWeb
I would have thought someone would have pointed out that the 'M110' is, in fact, an M110A2...

Cool


I've got a hunch those M548s aren't without an additional designator either... Cool
Back to top
View user's profile
binder001
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 25, 2006
Posts: 363

PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:10 pm
Post subject: Re: Ft. Snelling Military Museum - Pics #3

'nother nitpick;

The "M7B1" is actually an M7B2 - note the raised howitzer mount (for increased elevation) and extra deep "pulpit" for the MG ring.

The vehicle started life as an M7B1 but was rebuilt.

Gary
Back to top
View user's profile
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:20 pm
Post subject: Re: Ft. Snelling Military Museum - Pics #3

- Jens_O_Mehner
- JimWeb
I would have thought someone would have pointed out that the 'M110' is, in fact, an M110A2...

Cool


I've got a hunch those M548s aren't without an additional designator either... Cool


Can't tell because of that noticeboard...

Cool

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
Jens_O_Mehner
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 511
Location: Giessen, Germany
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:48 am
Post subject: Re: Ft. Snelling Military Museum - Pics #3

- binder001
'nother nitpick;

The "M7B1" is actually an M7B2 - note the raised howitzer mount (for increased elevation) and extra deep "pulpit" for the MG ring.

The vehicle started life as an M7B1 but was rebuilt.

Gary


Yep,

it certainly is. Speaking of which, does anybody have an inkling how long they were in service with the NG and/or the Reserves? Were the ones Germany received in 1956 pulled from stocks or were they just being mustered out and came from NG/Reserve units?

Inquiring minds want to know... Wink
Back to top
View user's profile
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 7:24 am
Post subject: Re: Ft. Snelling Military Museum - Pics #3

Hi Folks!

- MarkHolloway
Nit Pic Twisted Evil I don't think the 110 was a "Howitzer". Seems like it was called a "Field Gun" or something like that.


For My 2 cents, I am a bit confuzed here because I am not sure everyone is talking about the same M110.

M110A0 and M110A1 8 inch howitzer, the first two versions which had a short barrel. Later replaced by the M110A2.

M107A0 and M107A1 175mm field gun which was replaced by the M110A2.

M110A2, the two vehicles in Bob (A109)'s photos, the combined howizter/field gun, which was a 8 inch/203mm bore with the length of a field gun so it could do both types of fires missions from the same hull.

Along with Mark, I remember red legs calling the "A2" version a field gun also.

So, for you folks who have copies of the manuels on that thing, is the correct name for the "A2" still "howitzer" or did it change when the short howitzer barrel was replaced by the longer barrel?

This old scout is confuzed. Shocked
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
JimWeb
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1439
Location: The back of beyond
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:12 am
Post subject: Re: Ft. Snelling Military Museum - Pics #3

- Roy_A_Lingle

M110A0 and M110A1 8 inch howitzer, the first two versions which had a short barrel. Later replaced by the M110A2.


M110 short barrel
M110A1 long barrel
M110A2 long barrel with muzzle brake


M107A0 and M107A1 175mm field gun which was replaced by the M110A2.


Basically all they did was replace the barrels. IIRC M107 were, initially, upgraded to M110A1 and M110 - M110A2. Eventually they all became M110A2


M110A2, the two vehicles in Bob (A109)'s photos, the combined howizter/field gun, which was a 8 inch/203mm bore with the length of a field gun so it could do both types of fires missions from the same hull.


As a rule of thumb guns used to fire between 0-45 degrees and howitzers 45 -90 degrees. The distinction between them became blurred in the 70s when both types, basically, acquired a larger variety of bag charges and became capable of firing at any angle

Cool .

_________________
TTFN
Jim

If your not a member of JED then your
not serious about anything military..

***********************
www.jedsite.info
JED Military Equipment
***********************
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website ICQ Number
Roy_A_Lingle
Power User

Offline Offline
Joined: Jan 24, 2006
Posts: 1997
Location: El Paso & Ft Bliss, Texas
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:29 am
Post subject: Re: Ft. Snelling Military Museum - Pics #3

Hi Jim! Hi Folks!

- JimWeb

The distinction between them became blurred in the 70s when both types, basically, acquired a larger variety of bag charges and became capable of firing at any angle

Cool .


Very true, and don't even start talking about modern mortars.

However, that still doesn't answer my question:

"Along with Mark, I remember red legs calling the "A2" version a field gun also.

So, for you folks who have copies of the manuels on that thing, is the correct name for the "A2" still "howitzer" or did it change when the short howitzer barrel was replaced by the longer barrel (which had the muzzle brake added)?"

Still confuzed!
Sgt, Scouts Out!

_________________
"You can never have too much reconnaissance."
General G.S. Patton Jr.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Reply to topic    Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index ›  AFV News Discussion Board
Page 1 of 2
All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Go to page 1, 2  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum